Anybody seen a 7970 for sale in US yet?

ShuttleLuv said:
7970 looks good but honestly, what software out today really screams for it? Nothing imo. The thrill of needing to upgrade is gone with this generation and the Xbox 360 ports.

The 9700 pro is a card that truly brought genuine excitement and performance we needed at the time. Devs need to get off their ass and go back to pc gaming so this card can be of more use. A GTX 480 oced or a GTX 580 is more than enough nowadays, as well as even a 6950 unlocked.
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You've evidently never played BF3 or Skyrim above 1080p. My GTX 580's in SLI in 2560X1600 are not enough to completely max the game with smooth play. That is important to a lot of enthusiasts. I want and need more.
 
GreenGoose said:
You've evidently never played BF3 or Skyrim above 1080p. My GTX 580's in SLI in 2560X1600 are not enough to completely max the game with smooth play. That is important to a lot of enthusiasts. I want and need more.
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Oh but I have, and thats exactly what I said. Though the card pushes faster with games out now the games are not making full use of these cards the way they should. If you need more speed, go for it. But it's still basically higher res xbox 360 games. Andyour comp is not my comp is not his comp yada yada maybe yours is amiss or the drivers are messed. Too subjective. Facts are 7970 is fast, it's faster, if you want it go for it. Great card.
 
4x 7970's if they keep releasing blockbusters like BF3 with insane graphics and that can push systems to the brink.

If we continue this console garbage then I am going to just stick with the 6990 which is hyper fast already.
 
Lorien said:
Nonsense lol

As someone else put it.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1608435&postcount=2026
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I wasn't making a joke.

How many people that build "RIGS" for gaming are going use all the compute stuff? The old architecture worked fine for gaming. Most of the reviews of the HD7970 use gaming benchmarks for comparisons to GTX580.

I would wait to see how the HD78XX models work out for gaming, they do seem to be designed more for gaming. GCN is going to take awhile before the architecture takes off if possible with the use of software. HD78XX with VLIW4 may perform very well. I wouldn't be surprised if HD78XX performance is better than HD69XX performance.

AMD has been playing catch up on tessellation performance to NVIDIA ever since I can remember and every year NVIDIA puts out a card that outperforms ATI/AMD in tesselation performance.

I think the HD78XX series will have to improve tesselation performance to compete with NVIDIA and I think NVIDIA will have a strong card to compete against HD7970.


Right now AMD has the early start in the marketing. That is all. I'm sure there are people who will quickly pay money for HD7970. I think it is a huge mistake to preorder or buy HD7970 without carefully seeing how HD78XX or NVIDIA 28nm gpus turn out.

I'm not going to blow my money on the HD79XX just yet. Mabey in a few months after all the new 28nm cards are out.
 
SonDa5 said:
I wasn't making a joke.

How many people that build "RIGS" for gaming are going use all the compute stuff? The old architecture worked fine for gaming. Most of the reviews of the HD7970 use gaming benchmarks for comparisons to GTX580.

I would wait to see how the HD78XX models work out for gaming, they do seem to be designed more for gaming. GCN is going to take awhile before the architecture takes off if possible with the use of software. HD78XX with VLIW4 may perform very well. I wouldn't be surprised if HD78XX performance is better than HD69XX performance.

AMD has been playing catch up on tessellation performance to NVIDIA ever since I can remember and every year NVIDIA puts out a card that outperforms ATI/AMD in tesselation performance.

I think the HD78XX series will have to improve tesselation performance to compete with NVIDIA and I think NVIDIA will have a strong card to compete against HD7970.

Right now AMD has the early start in the marketing. That is all. I'm sure there are people who will quickly pay money for HD7970. I think it is a huge mistake to preorder or buy HD7970 without carefully seeing how HD78XX or NVIDIA 28nm gpus turn out.

I'm not going to blow my money on the HD79XX just yet. Mabey in a few months after all the new 28nm cards are out.
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Your paltry $200-400 is bullshit compared to the millions of dollars corporations and institutions will pay for these cards to do work. It's impressive that AMD was able to switch gears so quickly AND on a new process. It's certainly a better showing than NVIDIA made with Fermi.
 
SonDa5 said:
I would wait to see how the HD78XX models work out for gaming, they do seem to be designed more for gaming. GCN is going to take awhile before the architecture takes off if possible with the use of software. HD78XX with VLIW4 may perform very well. I wouldn't be surprised if HD78XX performance is better than HD69XX performance.
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What if the HD78XX cards are GCN also?
 
Mr. K6 said:
Your paltry $200-400 is bullshit compared to the millions of dollars corporations and institutions will pay for these cards to do work. It's impressive that AMD was able to switch gears so quickly AND on a new process. It's certainly a better showing than NVIDIA made with Fermi.
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I'm sure corporations like smart consumers will not spend a dime until they see how the hardware is able to be implemented with the help of software developers. Right now GCN is new and I don't have a enough hard evidence to see where it stands among all the other 28nm GPU flavors that will soon be out.
 
needmorecarnitine said:
What if the HD78XX cards are GCN also?
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Everything that I have read online states that only Tahiti GPU's will use GCN architecture.

I hope that the best architecture is used. To me AMD should only use GCN architecture if it truly is the best new architecture.
 
GreenGoose said:
You've evidently never played BF3 or Skyrim above 1080p. My GTX 580's in SLI in 2560X1600 are not enough to completely max the game with smooth play. That is important to a lot of enthusiasts. I want and need more.
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The 580 is plenty good, just throttled by the 500 MB less memory.

This new deal with 3 GB is going to be insane.:D
 
GreenGoose said:
You've evidently never played BF3 or Skyrim above 1080p. My GTX 580's in SLI in 2560X1600 are not enough to completely max the game with smooth play. That is important to a lot of enthusiasts. I want and need more.
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is that with 2x3GB or 2x1.5GB?
 
SonDa5 said:
AMD has been playing catch up on tessellation performance to NVIDIA ever since I can remember and every year NVIDIA puts out a card that outperforms ATI/AMD in tesselation performance.
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Tessellation performance isn't very important, its an over blown feature unfortunately. In theory it sounds great but in real world usage its often a very minor improvement, sometimes its nearly unnoticeable. nV's advantage there is also over blown. AMD did a pretty good job of improving their tessellation performance with the 6xxx line in real world conditions. Stuff like hardware support for PRT is a much bigger deal IMO. No need to rely on id Tech 5 for megatextures is fantastic.

SonDa5 said:
I think the HD78XX series will have to improve tesselation performance to compete with NVIDIA and I think NVIDIA will have a strong card to compete against HD7970.
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Any improvement in tessellation performance at this point is a convenient side effect of improving GPGPU performance, neither GPU vendor is really looking to improve it per se. If one of them happens to have a lead in performance at that sort of thing sure they'll make it sound like its the greatest thing ever that you have to have and that the competitor doesn't so don't buy their stuff blah blah blah.

SonDa5 said:
Right now AMD has the early start in the marketing. That is all.
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Huh? You've seen the reviews of it beating OC'd GTX580's without it being OC'd in turn, which it happens to be very good at with the stock HSF, right? I mean sure the card isn't out right now, which is irritating, but it will be soon and nV won't have anything to meet or beat it for 3-6 months afterwards. This is a pretty big deal in the GPU world since it lets AMD have their cake and eat it too in the mean time.

SonDa5 said:
I think it is a huge mistake to preorder or buy HD7970 without carefully seeing how HD78XX or NVIDIA 28nm gpus turn out.

I'm not going to blow my money on the HD79XX just yet. Mabey in a few months after all the new 28nm cards are out.
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If you can hold of 3-6 months then great I guess. Some of us with older GPU's are really feeling the strain right now unfortunately with the newer games at high res (2560x1440 myself). While its more than I'd like to spend the 7970 is actually significantly faster than a 3GB GTX580 while selling for the same price...without gouging of course. :/ That isn't really a bad deal all things considered though it of course might not be the right fit for you.
 
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