Car Hackers Can Kill Brakes, Engine, and More

bobzdar said:
Plus, it uses I-BUS instead of CAN-BUS which is very difficult to manouver around and if you add any devices to it that aren't coded properly, the I-BUS will not use it.

Lots of easier ways to 'hack' modern cars anyway, just go unplug a wheel sensor and the car won't know what to do, it'll throw all kinds of errors, ABS/TC etc. won't work and some cars go into a limp mode if it can't read the wheel speed.
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Whoah your car runs off cannabis?
:D
 
Lunas said:
one of many reasons i would like to see a regulation that requires the following to be able to be manually overridden breaks, Steering and accelerator. ignition system limited control perhaps control over transmission only to put it in park or neutral rather than cut off the engine...

Some of the remote abilities are for law enforcement to fight high speed chases and such locking the breaks turning off the engine and such stop thieves in an ideal circumstance.

And i would like to see wireless systems in the car to be segmented to a limited control over other systems like they could poll sensors but not send commands to the cars computer to do things like outlined in the article.

Also to people saying you have to have a laptop hooked up they sell bluetooth dongles that plug into the obdII port and allow remote connections from smartphones i will admit the attacker will need to know you have one installed or have access to the vehicle to install one then have to be within 30 feet of you but still the fact that it can be done is the scary part and with vehicles adding this functionality out of the factory well this could happen in the real world in theory...
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Come on man, for somebody to get into your locked car, install a BT dongle and then get out takes a lot more effort and risk on one of these new cars than it would to crawl under the car and put a pin hole in a brake line or something similar that would achieve the same thing. Plus, then there'd be the evidence of the BT dongle in the car and they have to follow you around to do anything via BT. It's possible to hack a new car, but only an idiot would do it as it's riskier and more difficult than the 'old fashioned' methods that will also work on older cars.
 
why on earth would they use electronic brakes, i can see assisted but even electronic assisted steering fails where you can still drive lol
 
i always lol @ some of the comments.

If theres an exploit for a cell phone, its "thats why I still use my old motorola trac phone!"

exploit for a car, "thats why I still use a horse and buggy!"

lol
 
nobody_here said:
Are you fucking serious? I watch people every morning drive in the pitch black dark with no lights on but a cell phone glowing in their face driving below speed limit in the left goddamn lane. The situation you suggest is by far not a stretch.
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QFE
 
I can hack a 40 year old car w/ my windows crowbar or my i- slimjim LOL!
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Frist all it not possable hack any old car or track that come with simple OBD or OBD-1 becuase the must you can do is very little other then some basic sensor malfunction they mostly data loggers with read only PROM chips most where removeable.
That call break in
why on earth would they use electronic brakes, i can see assisted but even electronic assisted steering fails where you can still drive lol
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Electronic Brakes = ABS and I think there talking more about electric brakes the kind that used with trailer or more likey it electromagnetic brakes.
I think the biggest problem with all this is repairs cost going be super high so much I could be buy fully rebuild chevy 350 motor for my 1978 c10 truck.
I all ready done a few mods to like up grade rear end 3.42 with disc brake and replace TH350 to 700R4 now pull 16mpg vs old transmission which avg 10mpg
 
I was worried until it mentioned having a laptop physically plugged into the diagnostic port, under the hood.

Although it makes you wonder if Onstar is hack proof?
 
"If you ask me, this is just one more reason to buy a classic car like mine...there ain't no hacking a 40 year old muscle car."

Heh. Even coming from the perspective of a programmer, I have to question which you think is easier, hacking the car's computer or cutting the brake line. Tin snips, the original car hacker's tool.
 
Phoenix333 said:
If you like older cars without all this high tech stuff you can always find an old classic that's been garaged somewhere. You'll pay about as much as you would for a new car, but without the financing option so you'll need the money up front. Depending on the model parts may be scarce though, and unless you intend to garage it yourself you'll be looking at fighting rust in about 5-7 years. That's why classics don't do so well as daily drivers.
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I don't own classic cars, unless you think a 21 year old Chevy Beretta as a classic, but I own old cars. My newest car is a 2000 Saturn L-Series. None of the cars have rust, but that's because I maintain them. Every year I wax the cars, probably 2-3 times a year. Even my 1990 Beretta has not even a single spot of rust. Not even underneath, where I make sure to spray it with undercoating before each winter. On top of that, I do all the repairs, and every bolt I put on is coated with anti seize grease, which is a great way to prevent rust.

Older cars I don't need to pay up my ass for insurance. I own the car, so I don't pay a monthly payment. Some older cars do very well on gas, due mainly to weight. Newer cars tend to be very heavy. Sometimes as heavy as old muscle cars.
 
It's not that simple dude.

wizdum said:
I think the tire pressure sensor hack is more dangerous. You can do it without even needing to be near the car, just have the car drive past a transmitter. You can trick the computer into thinking that all 4 tires are at 0PSI, so the car shuts down, or you could trick it into reading a pressure in the trillions, triggering some kind of overflow error that just crashes the computer entirely.
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Because non-electronic brakes can fail too.

Electronic brakes can be made just as reliable as hydraulic and manual actuated brakes, and in many circumstances more reliable.

Putz said:
why on earth would they use electronic brakes, i can see assisted but even electronic assisted steering fails where you can still drive lol
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Ashbringer said:
I don't own classic cars, unless you think a 21 year old Chevy Beretta as a classic, but I own old cars. My newest car is a 2000 Saturn L-Series. None of the cars have rust, but that's because I maintain them. Every year I wax the cars, probably 2-3 times a year. Even my 1990 Beretta has not even a single spot of rust. Not even underneath, where I make sure to spray it with undercoating before each winter. On top of that, I do all the repairs, and every bolt I put on is coated with anti seize grease, which is a great way to prevent rust.

Older cars I don't need to pay up my ass for insurance. I own the car, so I don't pay a monthly payment. Some older cars do very well on gas, due mainly to weight. Newer cars tend to be very heavy. Sometimes as heavy as old muscle cars.
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What you said above means you are dealing with rust. You're dealing with it in the form of extra preventative steps as opposed to repairing damage, but you are still dealing with it in a sense. The definition of "classic" I am going by here is 30+ years. With cars in the 1970-1990 range the heating process used in forming the sheet metal into body panels makes them prone to delamination, which invites moisture, which results in the metal rusting from the inside-out. It's possible to prevent it, but depending on your climate, if you don't have a garage and the money, time, and know-how to deal with it, once the rust starts it can get very expensive very quickly trying to keep up with repairing it. Preventing it, as you're doing, is definitely the best option. Sadly, it's not always possible and a lot of older cars are destroyed by the effects of salt, water, and time.
 
Can any car with ABS braking be controlled in some way (brakes specifically) from the diagnostic port?
 
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