Is China the Forbidden Fruit?

The one country that boasts the numbers to make it the one stop shop to get into its 400 million internet subscribers and 700 million mobile-phone subscribers pocket book. The problem is that China really doesn't want the Western companies invading its' domain.

"It was inevitable after a certain time they would no longer roll out the red carpet for foreign companies and give them special treatment," said Susan Shirk, a former deputy assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration responsible for U.S. relations with China. "But now we don't have a level playing field. We have nontariff barriers (in China) designed to protect local companies."

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Is this such a bad thing though? China protecting its infrastructure instead of selling to the easiest or cheapest bidder.

"China is focused not on the world but on itself," said Ed Black, CEO of the Computer & Communications Industry Association. "We don't know how it will be in the long run. But right now it's a difficult situation."

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Now that they know how it's done they want us and everybody not under their control gone. And of course they only think of themselves. Who doesn't? The US, Can, and the EU pretend at it, while trying to skull fuck each other and every one else with out looking like they are. China is just being more obvious about it.

I can't say it was not expected, and I can't really blame them for it either. You don't let others run your infrastructure if you can help it.

So China is learning from the US' stupidity now. Good on them!

Robert_Whited said:

The one country that boasts the numbers to make it the one stop shop to get into its 400 million internet subscribers and 700 million mobile-phone subscribers pocket book. The problem is that China really doesn't want the Western companies invading its' domain.



Is this such a bad thing though? China protecting its infrastructure instead of selling to the easiest or cheapest bidder.

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i am all for keeping the large corporations as small as possible. im glad china is telling us to fuck off.

400 million internet subscribers....

when you look at the POPULATION of the USA, that's insane....

China doesn't want western companies spying on them or failing to spy adequately for them. Smart move China.

Maybe USofA can learn from China, and start putting tariffs on all the shit that's made overseas, and start protecting companies that actually make crap here, and not outsource everything to India and others...

mzs_biteme said:

Maybe USofA can learn from China, and start putting tariffs on all the shit that's made overseas, and start protecting companies that actually make crap here, and not outsource everything to India and others...

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republicans didnt want that though. they want this country to be the world's bank. you only need a few elites to run that, so the rest of us have been falling into poverty

They are communists. Gotta remember that even though its 2010. Most of everyone is going towards capitalism these days. Sooner or later China will have to give in.

Robert_Whited said:

The problem is that China really doesn't want the Western companies invading its' domain.

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There's no such word as "its'" (with a trailing apostrophe).

It's = contraction for "it is" or "it has"
its = possessive

That's it. (Yeah, I know, but this really bugs me...)

dramsey said:

There's no such word as "its'" (with a trailing apostrophe).

It's = contraction for "it is" or "it has"
its = possessive

That's it. (Yeah, I know, but this really bugs me...)

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The degeneration of the written English language due to texting abbreviations, and l33t must kill you. It prolly should bother me as well.

I am surprised at how limited the China bashing is. I don't much care for the country myself, but they do catch a lot more heat than is really justified, just for looking out for their own beliefs and economy. The Western world is not really any different when it comes down to it.

Conker said:

They are communists. Gotta remember that even though its 2010. Most of everyone is going towards capitalism these days. Sooner or later China will have to give in.

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this argument always comes up with regards to China.... so what? If it works for them it works for them. All systems are problematic frankly... In this particular issue I don't see the relevance of bringing communism into it.

Frankly they are doing the right thing. It's not hard to see the damage done by not protecting their domestic businesses when they look at almost anywhere else in the world. More countries should take note of this one...they might learn something.

Conker said:

They are communists. Gotta remember that even though its 2010. Most of everyone is going towards capitalism these days. Sooner or later China will have to give in.

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Think so? Capitalism is not the saving grace many will have you believe. There will be some form of capitalism there, as there is now, but do not expect it to be anything resembling a fair playing field. Expect them to milk us and Europe or whoever until they can gain a business advantage then you'll likely see them boot the foreigners out and consolidate under the big red flag.

That may be a good thing for some western businesses....considering they can execute and have executed people for corruption and negligence in business. That may not go over too well against non nationals but still....the threat looms.

Capitalism isn't a fair playing field. The "free market" ceased to exist about the same time the federal government came into the level of power it has now (around the Whiskey Revolution, IMHO). China is doing the right thing, but imagine their response if we were to do the same thing back! Ouch!

jarhead said:

Capitalism isn't a fair playing field. The "free market" ceased to exist about the same time the federal government came into the level of power it has now (around the Whiskey Revolution, IMHO). China is doing the right thing, but imagine their response if we were to do the same thing back! Ouch!

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Pure capitalism is not sustainable. You cannot trust profit motivations to yield an outcome for the greater good. It simply goes against human nature.
I've said (and it's not my quote) that no country has ever survived on pure capitalism. Most either disappear of descend into fascism. Corporatocracy is a really cool sounding synonym for fascism.

Capitalism makes the economic world go round but only with a degree of oversight.

China only tolerates capitalism because it's the only way to continue to exist economically or otherwise. They learned their lesson from the former USSR.

So if they want to be protectionist it's no surprise since it goes to their nationalism and not their profit motives. Captialism is a tool, not a system of government.

Personally I believe that everyone should pay their dues. If you're a company in one country that sells to another country's consumers then there should be an import tariff on your products. Tariffs exist not only for revenue but also to offset the loss of revenue from domestic production.

If you're a company that used to be HQ'd in the US and you moved to the Bahamas to escape taxation AND/OR use cheap/slave labor then your products should no longer enjoy the benefits of a domestic company that PAYS their DUES.

If you support the idea of a global economy then you must also embrace elimination of all tariffs, a single global monetary unit and the eventual removal of national sovereignty. There is NO middle ground. Otherwise it's just marketing BS to excuse economic abuses between countries. That's fine, but don't call it a global economy because I just explained what that REALLY is.

The U.S. definitely has some selfishness, but not totally. With all the foreign aid we give, and all the humanitarian efforts we send our troops into I wouldn't say the U.S. is all that selfish. Leaving out Afghanistan and Iraq for discussion sake (can of worms), there are a lot of other countries we have helped by sending our troops in to die. It's about time some people appreciate some of the selfless work the U.S. has done.

In China, all they want is power. The Communists just want their power. Sure, there are plenty of power mongers in Washington too. The difference is that our identity is not necessarily what Washington say (though unfortunately it is becoming that way). In China, China is whatever the communists say it is. They try to control all political thought and action there. In the United States, the government is designed to be limited. There are many checks and balances to prevent any single group from dominating.

The nice thing about capitalism, is that it has a lot more checks and balances that prevent one people group (ex., bureaucrats, a single business) from taking all control of the market. Capitalism should have some oversight from the government. We don't want monopolies and businesses cheating the system (e.g. cartels). But the government shouldn't do too much oversight otherwise we have economic facism. This is where the government decides which businesses get cut down, and which get propped up. We already have an economic facist as a president who wants to bash certain businesses while propping up others. For example we prop up certain failing auto industries with unions and certain banks like Freddie and Fanny Mac which got us into this mess in the first place.

With all the foreign aid we give, and all the humanitarian efforts we send our troops into I wouldn't say the U.S. is all that selfish

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They do it so they can benefit in some manner, if there is nothing in it for them, they wouldn't do it, so ya, i would say selfish for the most part.

MrGuvernment said:

They do it so they can benefit in some manner, if there is nothing in it for them, they wouldn't do it, so ya, i would say selfish for the most part.

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To some extent yes/sometimes, but we still give more than we get back. And we don't always get back either.

Parmenides said:

To some extent yes/sometimes, but we still give more than we get back. And we don't always get back either.

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That's because our government is dumber. It's not for lack of trying to benefit from it. At a bare minimum, it's an attempt at good PR