Windows 7 RC set for April 10, 2009...

Thuleman said:
Well ..., how long could it possibly take to strip all the bloat out of Vista and rebrand it as Windows 7? ;)
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There's an awful lot more going on under the hood besides just ripping out the "gunk," actually. And yes, I get the joke... :D

But Windows 7 is not Vista, regardless of what people will continue to rant and rave on about. It's nice when people acknowledge it and sad when they don't.
 
Windows is simply the most powerful plug and play desktop OS on the planet. Period. And the reason is third party support. Period. Sure the various Linux distros have their advantages, better security, flexibility, their open source nature has a lot power power. And there a some great open source projects out there that only run on Linux. But if one is looking to accomplish some task on a computer and just need to it to just go without hours, days, even weeks of this and that, there's probably a Windows solution, though it my cost you.

The more I use Windows 7 the more comfortable I've become. I was a little worried about it being rushed because I think that Vista was rushed. Drivers simply were not ready. Now maybe getting the thing out the door was what was needed as vendors did seem to take a lot of time getting ready. So far however Vista and XP drivers seem to work very well and the large bulk only need to be certified I believe.
 
Thuleman said:
Well ..., how long could it possibly take to strip all the bloat out of Vista and rebrand it as Windows 7? ;)
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Not sure we're you've been but the disk size isn't much smaller. And the % of disk space Vista takes compared to what the % of disk space 95 took is much less. We've already talked about this.
 
lame neowin said:
At this time, Windows 7 RC is internally being tested and the ...
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Bzzzt! Wrong answer. Someone didn't read Ars yesterday when a MS employee said MS is still on beta builds and not RC1 builds.

Masters of click-bait, you reel in the uninformed suckers every time. :p
 
pxc said:
Bzzzt! Wrong answer. Someone didn't read Ars yesterday when a MS employee said MS is still on beta builds and not RC1 builds.

Masters of click-bait, you reel in the uninformed suckers every time. :p
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The RC build is coming in April. Period. Microsoft has already said that they were not doing another beta. They didn't just say that for fun. They just decided to call the next milestone RC 1. It's still a beta. They might do RC 2 for all we know.

At this point they are just trying to stabilize. The feature set was set long ago so I don't think that 3 months after the beta is fast or slow. It's 3 months and so far there haven't been any major issues that I've heard about except UAC that's getting fixed. Controversy over the task bar. Big deal, it took about 10 minutes to figure it out. May wife figured it out in about the same amount of time is she's no computer geek at all.

I think sometimes pundits like to make you think that they know more than they do. Paul Thurrott who I like overall has talked endlessly about how confusing the new task bar is and how Microsoft has shut out testers. And the result will be perhaps the coolest Windows ever, one that people actually want rather than deride like Vista.
 
pxc said:
Bzzzt! Wrong answer. Someone didn't read Ars yesterday when a MS employee said MS is still on beta builds and not RC1 builds.

Masters of click-bait, you reel in the uninformed suckers every time. :p
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It also says - as quoted by someone at Microsoft in a slightly higher and more public position - that they just built 7046 yesterday soooo... as if Ars was the end-all-be-all tech reporting site.
 
heatlesssun said:
I was a little worried about it being rushed because I think that Vista was rushed. Drivers simply were not ready. Now maybe getting the thing out the door was what was needed as vendors did seem to take a lot of time getting ready.
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Vendors had PLENTY of time to get drivers ready.

Also, someone mentioned RC 2. Wasn't it said somewhere that there would only be one beta and one RC?
 
heatlesssun said:
Paul Thurrott who I like overall has talked endlessly about how confusing the new task bar is and how Microsoft has shut out testers. And the result will be perhaps the coolest Windows ever, one that people actually want rather than deride like Vista.
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Sounds like Paul Thurrott is a little retarded because the new taskbar is incredibly easy to use. It might be a little surprising for a normal user, but nothing 5 minutes of playing around couldn't fix.
 
Jon55 said:
Vendors had PLENTY of time to get drivers ready.

Also, someone mentioned RC 2. Wasn't it said somewhere that there would only be one beta and one RC?
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IIRC some vendors were complaining that they did have enough time with a stable Vista build to be as ready as they would have liked. I think that some of this is true and some of it was the vendors fault. I do think that Microsoft is going to VERY careful about 7's release in the regaurd. However since most Vista and even some XP drivers work very well with 7 it's not going to be an issue.
 
Jon55 said:
Sounds like Paul Thurrott is a little retarded because the new taskbar is incredibly easy to use. It might be a little surprising for a normal user, but nothing 5 minutes of playing around couldn't fix.
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Yeah, sometimes I don't get these IT pundits. They love to come across as having all these answers and yet somehow there only pundits. Go figure.

I do check out Thurrott's blog and site because he does seem to get a lot of inside info and he's usually pretty accurate. But he's really been beating up Microsoft over task bar like it too different and confusing and yet not different enough. Oh well.
 
bigdogchris said:
And the % of disk space Vista takes compared to what the % of disk space 95 took is much less. We've already talked about this.
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% of disk space has nothing to do with bloat. We've already talked about this as well.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yeah, sometimes I don't get these IT pundits. They love to come across as having all these answers and yet somehow there only pundits. Go figure.

I do check out Thurrott's blog and site because he does seem to get a lot of inside info and he's usually pretty accurate. But he's really been beating up Microsoft over task bar like it too different and confusing and yet not different enough. Oh well.
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I think he still wants quick launch to stick around (which it obviously isn't). For the most part, I think any power user would simply use "Pin to Start Menu" for shortcuts, and then use the taskbar for open apps, and not necessarily as a "quick launch".

My only beef is that ALL windows of the same app must stay stuck together on the taskbar. My initial belief was that Firefox, not a native MS app, was immune from this, but that's b/c I was running one of the windows in "safe mode" - and thus I could rearrange those windows independently on the taskbar.

A small gripe, but it makes the ability to rearrange buttons a bit gimped.
 
Mav451 said:
My only beef is that ALL windows of the same app must stay stuck together on the taskbar. My initial belief was that Firefox, not a native MS app, was immune from this, but that's b/c I was running one of the windows in "safe mode" - and thus I could rearrange those windows independently on the taskbar.

A small gripe, but it makes the ability to rearrange buttons a bit gimped.
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Right-click the task bar ---> Properties. Where it says Taskbar Buttons select "Never Combine". Unless I read your post wrong.
 
I like the new Taskbar. It's one of those "gotta have it" features for me personally, which is why in absence of any show-stopping bugs, I'm moving to 7 as soon as it hits shelves.
 
Jon55 said:
Right-click the task bar ---> Properties. Where it says Taskbar Buttons select "Never Combine". Unless I read your post wrong.
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Never combine is already on. Here's an example:

I have 3 windows of IE running and 3 windows of FF running.
IE, IE, IE, FF#1, FF#2, FF#3.

At this point, I can't move FF#3 to the head of the pack (in front of the IE windows), and leave FF#1, and FF#2 at the end - ALL of them move together. Now if I'm missing a simple option tick, please let me know.
 
Why 3 copies of Firefox? Don't people realize it has tabs now? :D I'll never figure that one out and I see it all the time... multiple copies of the full application running when one should and typically does suffice for most every situation.

/me shakes his head...
 
Joe Average said:
Why 3 copies of Firefox? Don't people realize it has tabs now? :D I'll never figure that one out and I see it all the time... multiple copies of the full application running when one should and typically does suffice for most every situation.

/me shakes his head...
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There are good reasons for having multiple instances of the browser open with even with tabs. I find myself groups of multiple things at once. What I like to do is keep one subject that I'm researching as an instance, that way the tabs are one a related subject that I can then store as a group. I do this in IE and FF.

Like right now, I'm researching something I'm trying to do with ClickOnce deployment technology for a tablet app that I'm working on and in another browser instance I have the forums, blogs and tweets that I'm reading. Seems reasonable to me.
 
Joe Average said:
Why 3 copies of Firefox? Don't people realize it has tabs now? :D I'll never figure that one out and I see it all the time... multiple copies of the full application running when one should and typically does suffice for most every situation.

/me shakes his head...
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Lol you are making one huge assumption thinking I don't use FF with tabs. I've used FF since it was called by its true name - Firebird. And as heatlesssun has said, it is very easy to do when doing a research paper.

But yeah getting back to topic, is there any way to rearrange multiple instances?
 
WIN7[OS for 21st century] is the new WIN95[the OS of the 90's]The one everyone wants.
The buzz for Win7 is the same as it was for Win95, people are talking about Win7 in a positive "Its a buy" way. That never happened with vista or even XP.
 
The_SLOMOWERS said:
WIN7[OS for 21st century] is the new WIN95[the OS of the 90's]The one everyone wants.
The buzz for Win7 is the same as it was for Win95, people are talking about Win7 in a positive "Its a buy" way. That never happened with vista or even XP.
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The difference is Windows 7 is actually good and Windows 95 sucked koala balls.
 
Yeah, 95 was awesome, simply because we, or most of us, didn't know any better. It was only after things like NT4 came out that people could sit back and say, "Wait a minute..."
 
Jon55 said:
The difference is Windows 7 is actually good and Windows 95 sucked koala balls.
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In all fairness what else was there for PC's? Linux wasn't viable at the time for the average user. Comparing a 14 year old OS to the latest and greatest is at best difficult.
 
Samury said:
Yeah, 95 was awesome, simply because we, or most of us, didn't know any better. It was only after things like NT4 came out that people could sit back and say, "Wait a minute..."
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dont get me wrong... back when 95 came out, we *KNEW* that things would, could, and should get better... but 95 was still a massive step up from 3.1, and brought an amazing amount of new technology to the masses.

Despite this, stability was still not where it should have been, and we *knew* this. At the time, however, it was still a revolution....
 
Windows 95 was the bomb because it had hoover and a music video of Weezer - buddy holly ;)
 
RogueTrip said:
Windows 95 was the bomb because it had hoover and a music video of Weezer - buddy holly ;)
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the buddy holly video rocked :) the fonze was awesome at the end, lol

i also liked the animation of the butterfly flying through the windows... it was really really cute...
 
Win95 was good because it ran Dos, Windows and Windows NT apps and drivers with 16MB of memory.

NT was a mem hog.

BeOS was a cool tech demo.

NeXT got bought.

BSP/Linux wasn’t even pretending to be user friendly.

And I never thought Win95 was user friendly until I tried OS/2 Warp 4, which was probably 95’s biggest challenger.
 
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