EA suffers huge loss

Nenu said:
The point is that instead of trying to force people to pay for low quality game releases, why dont they instead make the games better and then more people will want to reward them.
The money they spend on making all our lives harder with awesome copy protection can be used instead for something we will all appreciate.
They need to get their house in order before blaming poor sales on piracy.
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At one point I used to agree with this stance and now I see how much stuff people are pirating these days and it's starting to trouble me.

Sure I'd like to see more and better products. If DRM isn't helping achieve this goal why would you think piracy is? If you can get it for free, why pay anything? I have yet to hear reasonable answer to these questions.

Piracy may not be the source of the problem but neither is it the solution.
 
heatlesssun said:
At one point I used to agree with this stance and now I see how much stuff people are pirating these days and it's starting to trouble me.

Sure I'd like to see more and better products. If DRM isn't helping achieve this goal why would you think piracy is? If you can get it for free, why pay anything? I have yet to hear reasonable answer to these questions.

Piracy may not be the source of the problem but neither is it the solution.
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Yes it is! The game isn't tangible, it's just zeroes and ones, therefore we can steal it!

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Sigh. While I agree with you, arguing with people about it is pointless - you'll never win. :(
 
If a company becomes bloated with managment, over-leveraged, and fails to take advantage of the resources available to it to produce goods and services which people are prepared to pay for then it deserves to fail. Welcome to capitalism and the free market.
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That's how it SHOULD be, then the government started handing out bailouts.

... but I guess that's a whole 'nother story. Let's hope they don't get one.
 
I tried boycotting EA. It worked until I tried out warhammer. I was having such a good time, then I ran into a problem and they refused to solve it so viola! My EA boycott was back on.
 
being a hockey fan pretty much has me handcuffed into buying at least one EA game most years.

tiger woods golf is solid most years too and is one of the best 4 player drinking/shoot the shit games i know of... you know, for casual gamers. avid golfers especially.

so i'm hookin em up with 100$ most years. last year there was also crysis and warhead. there's another 100$ and i'm not disgruntled at all.

the games i buy from EA don't suck, quite the contrary. sure, their business practices are not an example of ethical responsibility, but what do i care? i like games. EA makes some i like, that's all there is to it from my perspective. stock price, unfair business practices, disgruntled staff. i don't care. that's the way the world works, shit's not fair every day i head to work either.

true innovation has a way of shining through eventually, somehow. the only thing that worries me about this massive financial loss is that the NHL franchise will be a frontrunner for funding cutbacks, even though it's one of their best sports simulations. 2ksports can't even come close to touching them with regards to gameplay mechanics.

i'll continue to spend if they continue to present a product i'm interested in and the EASHL servers are always full, so i'm not alone.

this is one ship that isn't sinking anytime soon.

note: i was initially full-page-swearing-rant-ticked when they started giving the shaft to the pc with regards to sports games, NHL especially, back a couple of years ago... but the hate fades. and now i love my ps3 as much as my pc so i guess i should thank them? :p
 
Good they need a little spanking after alienating there customers for years.
 
<3 Valve

H8 EA

I still dream of Valve buying up their properties when they die. I can dream, can't I?
 
I think if they did most of the things that you are complaing about in the OP they would be in the same or worse shape, the pc market for them just isnt that lucrative...however I do wonder how the heck they can lose money with all their slightly updated sports franchises for 60 dollars a piece. I did just buy nhl 09 upgrading from 08 and I must say its the best hockey game I have ever played, I love it.
 
snaggletooth said:
being a hockey fan pretty much has me handcuffed into buying at least one EA game most years.

tiger woods golf is solid most years too and is one of the best 4 player drinking/shoot the shit games i know of... you know, for casual gamers. avid golfers especially.

so i'm hookin em up with 100$ most years. last year there was also crysis and warhead. there's another 100$ and i'm not disgruntled at all.

the games i buy from EA don't suck, quite the contrary. sure, their business practices are not an example of ethical responsibility, but what do i care? i like games. EA makes some i like, that's all there is to it from my perspective. stock price, unfair business practices, disgruntled staff. i don't care. that's the way the world works, shit's not fair every day i head to work either.

true innovation has a way of shining through eventually, somehow. the only thing that worries me about this massive financial loss is that the NHL franchise will be a frontrunner for funding cutbacks, even though it's one of their best sports simulations. 2ksports can't even come close to touching them with regards to gameplay mechanics.

i'll continue to spend if they continue to present a product i'm interested in and the EASHL servers are always full, so i'm not alone.

this is one ship that isn't sinking anytime soon.

note: i was initially full-page-swearing-rant-ticked when they started giving the shaft to the pc with regards to sports games, NHL especially, back a couple of years ago... but the hate fades. and now i love my ps3 as much as my pc so i guess i should thank them? :p
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There are choices in hockey games, it just so happens that EA makes the best hockey games on the planet...I dont really like EA but even I must admit nhl 08 and nhl 09 took hockey to a whole new level.
 
eh I don't know. It seemed like EA was starting to not suck so much lately. Plus, an old classmate of mine got laid off because of this, so I can't really feel happy for their loss :/
 
I hope EA goes out of business or actually hires a CEO that has a decent ethics policy because they are a horrible company.
 
I couldn't care less about EA losing money, but hate to see the developers get laid off. I went to school with a guy works there.
 
The way I see it is this:

EA looks at the games they release and the gaming industry like a factory. There must be an assembling line and a list of specialized factory workers doing what the managers want them to produce and work through the line in the way they want it to go. Profits come through getting back the margin on a lot of products being made this way, and this line of thinking favors quantity over quality. People must buy a lot to make a good profit out of it, which is the ultimate intent of the managers, not the quality of the product or what they'd feel they would like to contribute to the market.
 
huxley said:
I think if they did most of the things that you are complaing about in the OP they would be in the same or worse shape, the pc market for them just isnt that lucrative...however I do wonder how the heck they can lose money with all their slightly updated sports franchises for 60 dollars a piece. I did just buy nhl 09 upgrading from 08 and I must say its the best hockey game I have ever played, I love it.
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well there way of thinking is not making them money. its losing money
 
rampantandroid said:
I find it laughable that PC gamers are so up in arms that 1943 will be console only...
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? No one even mentioned 1943. And secondly 1943 is supposed to be designed solely for the console with the controller in mind. I would rather them not waste thier time with a shit port to PC that wouldn't work anyways because of this. And thirdly Battlefield Bad Company 2 is coming to PC, which will be much better. We already have 1942.
 
silent hero said:
? No one even mentioned 1943. And secondly 1943 is supposed to be designed solely for the console with the controller in mind. I would rather them not waste thier time with a shit port to PC that wouldn't work anyways because of this. And thirdly Battlefield Bad Company 2 is coming to PC, which will be much better. We already have 1942.
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It wasn't this thread; it was another where people were fuming about it. BC2 looks nice, I'll agree..and heroes looks worth a try.
 
I believe the jeep from CoH has something to say about this...

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Honestly, the company management as a whole has the mentality of a two-year-old. They make absolutely shit PC games and then cry and whine when they games don't sell, and stamp away to go play in the console market. Yah, it's too bad PC gamers actually expect a decent product for their money, instead of some mindless bullshit that parents will just snap up for their kids to get some cheap babysitting. Whatever, I'm glad I haven't bought much from them in awhile, I refuse to fund mediocrity. /rant
 
Plague_Injected said:
They'll blame piracy first, then the world economic crisis second.
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EA's bread and butter is console games now and has been for at least 2 console generations, we can't really blame piracy for that. If they had come out with BF3, perhaps they would have made some money.
 
heatlesssun said:
At one point I used to agree with this stance and now I see how much stuff people are pirating these days and it's starting to trouble me.

Sure I'd like to see more and better products. If DRM isn't helping achieve this goal why would you think piracy is? If you can get it for free, why pay anything? I have yet to hear reasonable answer to these questions.

Piracy may not be the source of the problem but neither is it the solution.
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the problem is the game industry has always and will always use piracy as a scape goat for poor sales.. honestly the only protection they need is to make sure games cant be played online with downloaded copies and make the multi-player the reason the game should be bought.. i download games mostly to try the game out before it hits store shelves.. since demo's are either lacking or non existent in most cases..

if i find the game enjoyable then im going to buy it.. especially for the online play.. honestly i dont consider this stealing.. because quite frankly if i wasnt able to download it before its release.. i sure as hell wasnt going to spend 30-50 dollars on a game without trying it first.. no matter how much people rant and rave about how good the game is.. and thats the sole reason why the gaming market fails everytime..


the idiots that download the games for self reasons just to say they downloaded it.. where never going to buy the game in the first place.. why the gaming industry thinks that these specific people pirating games just to pirate them are going to buy it in the first place is either stupid or has no understanding of the real world market..

hell honestly they should be thanking p2p sites for the better exposure.. especially these companies that dont market games at all.. cough cough enemy territories: quake wars.. if it wasnt for the p2p sites.. i probably would of never bought the game..

but as for DRM its pointless and does more harm then good.. hell even the producers of command and conquer did a patch update just to remove the DRM that EA put on RA3.. why spend the money on DRM when a simple crack can disable it.. i mean seriously.. all you do is waste peoples money and time.. especially the people that dont know how to get the cracks..
 
Spare-Flair said:
EA's bread and butter is console games now and has been for at least 2 console generations, we can't really blame piracy for that. If they had come out with BF3, perhaps they would have made some money.
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Don't compare all the different console platforms as a single entity. If you break it down by individual platforms, PC gaming has been the second biggest platform for EA the past couple of years. The Sims franchise is their biggest money making series.
 
BladeVenom said:
Don't compare all the different console platforms as a single entity. If you break it down by individual platforms, PC gaming has been the second biggest platform for EA the past couple of years. The Sims franchise is their biggest money making series.
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Yet sims 3 is delayed becaus of marketing reason
 
They need to release more games like Deadspace. I would gladly look past my hatred of EA to play it and purchase it.
 
bigdogchris said:
I hope EA goes out of business or actually hires a CEO that has a decent ethics policy because they are a horrible company.
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The current CEO is EA is the same guy that was the CEO of Bioware's parent company for much of this decade, until he left Bioware to take the head of EA heh.

Ditto for all of the companies working with EA right now - the reason is that they -like- it. Bioware liked it and that's why they went for the deal, Valve mentioned that they like EA and like working with them. They've been pretty good for the last 2-3 years, if you've been paying attention. It's odd though.. in this thread, you've got people complaining about EA rushing games, and then you've got people complaining about EA delaying games too. I don't think it really matters to people what they actually do, they won't be able to shake the stigma they earned a decade ago.
 
I agree, xsoulbrothax. I'm also sad to see EA take such a lose after making some orginal IPs, such as Dead Rising and Mirrors Edge.
 
is there any other forum on the internet that has this much hate for a gaming company? i think not :p
 
sirmonkey is pretty much spot on above... you never hear companies like Valve or Blizzard complain about piracy. There's a reason for that.
 
rampantandroid said:
I realize its age, but how is it outdated? Because it doesn't force you to buy a new PC just to play it? Come on - people need to stop caring about graphics and more about gameplay. Go play SS2 or Deus Ex and you'll see what I mean.

The game still has plenty of servers and plenty of people in said servers. What more do you want? Something innovative? Sure - but you won't get that if what you want is a new game ever year. I HATE it when they do that to franchises - COD5 is an example of this. The game offers nothing new...just a new skinned version of COD4. Yipee. And furthermore, Dice has been doing other projects - mirrors edge is one of the more recent ones, BF Heroes and so forth.

Don't get me wrong - EA disgusts me most of the time, but I don't see this fetish with wanting a new game when the old one is still perfectly fine.



Warhead isn't Crysis 2 - we're still waiting to finish the Nomad storyline. :)
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Played System Shock 2 just a few months ago. One of the best games I've ever played. As for EA, hope it doesn't effect WAR too much.
 
silent hero said:
Because a valid CD key is required to play online? :confused:
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Starcraft was a great single player game and was easily pirated. Half-Life 2? You would never have to touch multi-player to justify the money spent on the single player game.

They deliver top-notch single player games, then go a step above that with the multiplayer, which makes buying it a no-brainer. On top of that they ensure the games are finished before they ever see a retail box.

Hence, no reason or temptation to pirate it in the first place.
 
Lenwood said:
Played System Shock 2 just a few months ago. One of the best games I've ever played. As for EA, hope it doesn't effect WAR too much.
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Never did play SS2. I played SS1 for awhile and it just wasn't very good... it scared me away from SS2. I heard it was great though.
 
I just wish EA would approach Star Breeze Studios to make another Enclave. But now that they are huting...

Of course, I do find all DRM disgusting. Just download no cd patches for your games with DRM, and you may not even need to activate them. I didn't for Crysis Warhead even though I bought it.

A recent game that just came out for PC without a serial key, activation, or DRM is Bully Scholarship edition. Perhaps all of you complainers should try this awesome game that has no protection at all. I bought it, and it was a pleasant surprise to find no DRM, serial number, or activation.
 
Perm said:
Starcraft was a great single player game and was easily pirated. Half-Life 2? You would never have to touch multi-player to justify the money spent on the single player game.

They deliver top-notch single player games, then go a step above that with the multiplayer, which makes buying it a no-brainer. On top of that they ensure the games are finished before they ever see a retail box.

Hence, no reason or temptation to pirate it in the first place.
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You are crazy if you believe that argument. Its hard for anyone to say if the urge to pirate good games is less or the same. Not to mention saying people have no urge to pirate steam games that cannot be played without activation is completely ridiculous. Just go google half life 2 iso or half life 2 pirating and you will find a ton of info to get around this. Thieves are thieves are thieves, once they start stealing games they try to find any validation they can for stealing that makes them feel justified (i.e. game is good but too short, game is not that good, dont like the developer so I refuse to pay for the good game). Lets not try to make it more complicated than it really is.
 
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