NVIDIA 295 and 285 prices too high

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Well ATI is indeed pressuring NVIDIA. With recent price cuts from ATI, the 4870X2 gains the best price x performance spot.

It puts the pressure on the GTX 295 in most cases

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/01/08/nvidia-geforce-gtx-295-quad-sli-review/18

And it is obviously faster than the GTX 285.

Fact is right now I can buy a 4870X2 for almost the same price as a GTX285 and have near the performance of a GTX 295

If NVIDIA doesn't answer ATI price drops fast it has already lost the "first impression" war.

What do you guys thing about this? Will we see a drop in prices in two weeks or something ?
 
its a new product. what do you expect, exactly?

as with everything else tech related, patience is a virtue.
 
Well Its NVIDIA decision. But it can prove to be a bad one. Perception is everything. And if perception makes this new video cards look bad compared to the competition people will go straight to ATI.

Keep in mind that NVIDIA cards were the best ones when they were released. But they were also very expensive. ATI answered with a very good graphics card and a more affordable one at that.
Perception changed and ATI took the lead. If NVIDIA isn't carefull this round it may end up doing the same mistake.
 
Sure the 4870X2 is faster, but when you consider heat, power requirements and drivers... The 285 seems like the better choice. You cant just look at benchmarks when buying a card. Most people who have a decent power supply will be able to upgrade to the 285 but not the 4870X2. We all know how much a good power supply costs. NVIDIA charges top dollar for their products, they always have... But with companies like EVGA, it makes owning one a pleasent experience.
 
samops03 said:
Sure the 4870X2 is faster, but when you consider heat, power requirements and drivers... The 285 seems like the better choice. You cant just look at benchmarks when buying a card. Most people who have a decent power supply will be able to upgrade to the 285 but not the 4870X2. We all know how much a good power supply costs. NVIDIA charges top dollar for their products, they always have... But with companies like EVGA, it makes owning one a pleasent experience.
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1) Heat is only an issue if your case sucks, and or your fan speed isn't upped a bit
2) Oh wait I forgot Nvidia drivers were perfect, 8.12 is plenty stable especially for the X2
3) You must be one of these people who think it takes a 750w PSU to run an X2, truth be told you can run 2 of them on a TX750.., any decent brand PSU with a decent amount of amps/wattage can easily feed an x2
 
samops03 said:
Sure the 4870X2 is faster, but when you consider heat, power requirements and drivers... The 285 seems like the better choice. You cant just look at benchmarks when buying a card. Most people who have a decent power supply will be able to upgrade to the 285 but not the 4870X2. We all know how much a good power supply costs. NVIDIA charges top dollar for their products, they always have... But with companies like EVGA, it makes owning one a pleasent experience.
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Sure. I agree with you. But taking into count that the 4870X2 is competing with the GTX 295 for the price of a GTX 285 it is quite a difference. Enought a difference for one person building a new computer to be able to have a better power suply and still save money.

Don't get me wrong. I'm posting here because in fact I was looking into buying a NVIDIA card. Actually I had my mind set for a NVIDIA card. Stuff like CUDA is always a bonus people like. Problem is with this price difference it seams to be wrong to buy a card such as the GTX 285 or the GTX 295 when you can get pretty much get the same performance with a 4870X2 .

Don't you guys think NVIDIA should cut prices to remain competitive?
 
Cometer said:
Don't you guys think NVIDIA should cut prices to remain competitive?
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I think they should give them away for free....this way we can all have them...
That whole pesky profit thing gets in the way though..:)
 
Zaner said:
1) Heat is only an issue if your case sucks, and or your fan speed isn't upped a bit
2) Oh wait I forgot Nvidia drivers were perfect, 8.12 is plenty stable especially for the X2
3) You must be one of these people who think it takes a 750w PSU to run an X2, truth be told you can run 2 of them on a TX750.., any decent brand PSU with a decent amount of amps/wattage can easily feed an x2
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1) Heat is an issue with all the latest GPU's on both camps. The heat dissipated also affects thermals in your case and requires better planned cooling if you don't want to bork your system.
2) Nvidia and ATI drivers are pretty much both OK, with each having strengths and weaknesses
3)Just checking ATI certified PSU's for the 4870X2 - the spec is not low by any standard either.
All that said the 2850 is a bit pricey in my opinion, as are the two Dual card solutions from both camps.
I'm pretty much a single card kind of guy, so I don't really consider them any sort of option.
 
definitely too high. i would consider a 285 if it was $300 or well under $300 with MIR. not to mention buying one of those for many folks means also buying a new higher-wattage power supply. in this economy, that's nuts.
 
I think the GTX 285 should be around $300 ideally. Two of them in $600 is a lot better than the $400 4870X2, and one for $300 is a good compromise.
 
Well just to show you where im coming from, I bought a GTX260 almost 3 months ago for 269. Then i got a 40MIR, 65 Live Cash Back, and 5% Paypal Discount. So basically i paid about $150 for it. I just stepped up to a GTX285 for $133. Play your cards right, buy at the right time and you will win!
 
[H]adouken;1033633547 said:
Cheapest GTX 285 is $350, where is the cheapest 4870X2 priced?
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$400 after rebate for the HD4870X2 and then the HD4850X2 which is also a good performer is $300, but it's also 11.25" long. .....:eek:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4850_X2/3.html


Just got my $350 XFX GTX 285 1GB (no rebate required) from Newegg yesterday. Runs cooler and quieter than my 65nm GTX 260 ever did. At idle the GTX 285 55nm with fan @ 40% is the same temperature as the GTX 260 65nm with the fan @ 80%. Sweet card so far, going to play around with overclocking the beast today.
 
Much too high for what you get. My response: I'm not buying it. They can sell it for whatever they want. You'll either buy it for that price or you won't. The 285 is a $300 card in today's market. Until it's at that price point I'm not interested.
 
The other day I was thinking how it was cool that a new 295 cost me $500 when my previous 3 cards (8800GTX, 7900GTX, 7800GTX) were all $600+ at launch.
It's all relative I suppose.
 
Litfod said:
The other day I was thinking how it was cool that a new 295 cost me $500 when my previous 3 cards (8800GTX, 7900GTX, 7800GTX) were all $600+ at launch.
It's all relative I suppose.
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Its a product of healty competition. This is why we need a strong Nvidia and a strong ATI in competition... :D

$649 was GTX280 at launch:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Point_Of_View/GeForce_GTX_280

So, I think we might see a price drop in near future on the 295 as well. :)
 
altcon said:
1) Heat is an issue with all the latest GPU's on both camps. The heat dissipated also affects thermals in your case and requires better planned cooling if you don't want to bork your system.
2) Nvidia and ATI drivers are pretty much both OK, with each having strengths and weaknesses
3)Just checking ATI certified PSU's for the 4870X2 - the spec is not low by any standard either.
All that said the 2850 is a bit pricey in my opinion, as are the two Dual card solutions from both camps.
I'm pretty much a single card kind of guy, so I don't really consider them any sort of option.
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Me too; I also only like one gpu per card too. crossfire and sli are just taking up too many resources for both companies at the expense of other issues of remaining and they'll always have more problems than single gpu solutions no matter how hard they try.

Both companies should just make 2 ranges: an integrated graphics chipset for motherboards when people are trying to save money or for businesses or htpc's, and then make one high end every year for $300-350. They should put more emphasis on best performance per degree of heat. Then they can continue the last-gen one until it's 2 generations old and sell it for $150. Then they should make another product that has only shaders and does physx and sell it in the $100range.

That would cut down on their expenses, and also be cheaper, less confusing, and better for the consumer.

If ati had released 55 nm parts 2 months ago (they wouldn't have had to have binned much either, because their chips have less transistors than nvidia, or at least they would if they had used nvidia's superior shader design), nvidia would be in the deepest shit they ever could've been in.
 
Astrodave said:
Much too high for what you get. My response: I'm not buying it. They can sell it for whatever they want. You'll either buy it for that price or you won't. The 285 is a $300 card in today's market. Until it's at that price point I'm not interested.
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People are STILL spoiled by their 200 dollar high end cards. The 285 at even 399 is a far cry from the 8800GTX that sat at 500+ for close to 2 years. I'm in the same boat you are right now. I want to move up from my 260 SLI to 285 SLI but not for 400 bucks per card. When i can pick em up for 300 per, then i'll move up. Also, still waiting on waterblocks for the 285 so theres no real reason to jump just yet.
 
Remember how much the single-GPU 8800GTX used to be? LOL!

$500 for a double GPU card is not a bad deal for ultra-high end.
 
nvidia is between a rock and a hard place. I don't think they are going to get out of it until the next cycle. right now they really can't afford to drop the prices that much, even with the die shrink their production cost are way above ATI.
 
I agree with the OP. NVIDIA 295 & 285 are prices are WAY too high!
I am in the market for a GTX 285 but I will wait until the price fall by at least $50 to $75.
On the other hand, price gouging is expected in the first weeks following a release of a new product.
 
Remember how much the single-GPU 8800GTX used to be? LOL!
$500 for a double GPU card is not a bad deal for ultra-high end.
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In other words, current GM shares prices are a great deal since 1998 prices were much more higher in comparison. :rolleyes:

Today's market is very different from yesterday's.
ATI is competitive and NVIDIA cannot ignore that.
 
Yeah I agree. Who cares what the 8800 sold for anyway. Times were a lot different then and ati was not competing. With ati very strong now there is no market for a $400 gtx285 imo. I'm not knocking nvidia for selling it at that price or anyone for buying it at that price because that's their option and I fully support that. I just know what I feel the card is worth and $300 max is it.
 
Summer time 285/295 will be priced around $275 for the 285 and the 295 will be below $425.

The problem is that Nvidia has already played it's hand and we know the 40nm cards are coming and what we're experiencing right now is a knee jerk reaction to things not happening "quick enough" let alone in step with their business model.

I for one bought my eVGA 9800GT to step up to a GT212 card in 90 days and Nvidia unfortunately has people like me who are on the outside looking in wanting the next great thing while others now.... are wanting the 55nm refreshes for cheaper than $250.... businesses don't make money like that.
 
After experiencing the 4850x2 in cod5...$259 card...makes you think:

1) GTX285 should be priced at $259
2) GTX295 should be priced at $330
3) 4870x2 should be priced at $330

That is all.
 
MocciBoo said:
After experiencing the 4850x2 in cod5...$259 card...makes you think:

1) GTX285 should be priced at $259
2) GTX295 should be priced at $330
3) 4870x2 should be priced at $330

That is all.
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price to performance does NOT scale linearly.
 
Sojuuk said:
price to performance does NOT scale linearly.
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QFT unfortunately, the last 25% is going to cost you. however you can get a 4870X2 for around 375 or so. a 100 dollars jump would not be so bad if it was the top card, but the GTX295 has that, however marginally. I think we are going to see some more price cuts in the future
 
I suspect Evga bribed Nvidia into setting high Msrp prices so it wouldn't go bankrupt with all the stepups ;-) Stepup here in Europe to a 285 is ridiculous they put the price at over 400 euros. Evga might as well not offer any stepup in the EU if they continue to charge insane prices.
Does anyone know if Evga lowers the stepup price if Nvidia lowers the Msrp of a card? I hear the 285 might drop in price soon and i wonder if that will affect the stepup price too.
 
Step up prices are the MSRP - not whatever its being sold for on sites like newegg. I've been watching the prices of the 285 since launch, and they fluctuate almost daily now. There is a $20 rebate on the EVGA SSC and $10 off if you purchase multiple cards. There is $30 off both the stock 285 and the SC (EVGA's that is), and $15 off the SC if you buy more than 1. The price on the stock 285 has actually gone up (strange, yea) but they're offering $15 off so that puts it at the original price :confused:

Anyway, I'd expect bigger and bigger rebates coming over the next weeks, with the SSC following a week or so behind.
 
Are people already forgetting how high 8800GTX and Ultra prices were when they were first released?

Anyway, NVIDIA and ATI aren't focusing enough on more efficient thermal management. We should have GTX 295 caliber cards now in single slot, non water-cooled forms.
 
IsLNdbOi said:
Anyway, NVIDIA and ATI aren't focusing enough on more efficient thermal management. We should have GTX 295 caliber cards now in single slot, non water-cooled forms.
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Yep, I'm sure Nvidia and ATi would love to rewrite the laws of physics too. But until then we will just have to live in the real world.
 
IsLNdbOi said:
Are people already forgetting how high 8800GTX and Ultra prices were when they were first released?

Anyway, NVIDIA and ATI aren't focusing enough on more efficient thermal management. We should have GTX 295 caliber cards now in single slot, non water-cooled forms.
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Perhaps you missed the posts earlier saying who cares about what the 8800 was at launch time since times then were much different? If you can deal with and work around the driver problems with ati crossfire solutions then ati is a MUCH better bang for the buck for now and for the past 7 months. I too had hoped to move sideways to a gtx285 when they came out, but not at this price point. The performance of this card in TODAY'S market is just not there to justify the current cost.
 
The problem is they can't very well reduce their prices since they can't afford to. Its not like Nvidia doesn't realize that a lot of people can't afford to pay their asking prices for the 285/295, its just that they've spent a lot of money on a new manufacturing process that will, OVER TIME, save them and us money. But right now, they need to recoup the money the put into the improvements. I'd love to see lower prices on these cards, but it just isn't realistic to expect them to put out new cards with a new process and have them be dirt cheap off the bat. That just isn't how these things work.
 
Well there is only one way to solve this. If you think the gtx295 / gtx285 is priced too
high...which they obviously are...don't buy them. I 100% guarantee that if no one buys
those cards...they will come down in price real soon :p. Meanwhile I'll play with my
$259 4850x2 that smokes the gtx285 with ease and even puts up similar number to
the gtx295 in a few games...:cool:
 
MocciBoo said:
Well there is only one way to solve this. If you think the gtx295 / gtx285 is priced too
high...which they obviously are...don't buy them. I 100% guarantee that if no one buys
those cards...they will come down in price real soon :p. Meanwhile I'll play with my
$259 4850x2 that smokes the gtx285 with ease and even puts up similar number to
the gtx295 in a few games...:cool:
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QFT, our wallets will decide the issue.
 
People have been able to OC their 280's way beyond factory OCs on air setups so I dont ee the point of going for 285's just yet.
 
MocciBoo said:
Well there is only one way to solve this. If you think the gtx295 / gtx285 is priced too
high...which they obviously are...don't buy them. I 100% guarantee that if no one buys
those cards...they will come down in price real soon :p. Meanwhile I'll play with my
$259 4850x2 that smokes the gtx285 with ease and even puts up similar number to
the gtx295 in a few games...:cool:
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Lol @ what you're comparing, its the same thing as comparing 9800GX2 against a 4850, guess who gets "smoked" this time. You wanna battle with 2 GPUs put a second GTX285 and watch it QQ.
 
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