There are no "good" gaming monitors???

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Aerixx

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:mad: OK... If LCD monitors all produce some type of ghosting or whatever when playing fast moving games, then why doesn't anyone build good CRTs anymore for those that might want the cleaner graphics??? I hope LCDs have overcome this by now, but almost everyone I speak to says, "Well, it's not as noticeable as it used to be...". That's not what I'm looking for! Please tell me I'm wrong and they have beat this problem. And if so, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions for good gaming LCDs of about 22-24". Thanks!

P.S. Still awed by the clarity of my Viewsonic crt! :cool:
 
Good and Gaming don't go hand in hand in the LCD market. At least that's my biased opinion.

Ghosting isn't really an issue anymore though. Input lag is though. There are a ton of decent gaming panels, and a bunch of good LCDs that are a bit less optimal for gaming. It really depends on how you perceive things.
 
I think the market got over with the CRT. Most are big, deep occupy a lot of space and don't look good enough. The answer will lie somewhere in the future, and by the way I still have my 17" CRT around :)
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6-bit TN panels are the closest you'll get to having absolutely no input lag. Ghosting is there though. Ghosting is a problem with every LCD, you will never find one that doesn't have it.
 
LCD's have improved alot since 2006. But, yeah, it's still very noticeable when you put a $500 diamondtron 22" next to modern TN and VA screens in the 20"-24" range, which has the better image. Most people have just forgotten how good they looked since few people have a good CRT to compare against their LCD. In fact, many people have never seen a good AG CRT in the first place. The monitors that usually came with a new PC were often non-flat shadow masks. Which will still out perform a decent LCD, in lag, refresh/responce, though may not look noticably better except in rooms with low light levels.

You going to have to live with it. CRT is gone. Buy what you can and hope it lasts till LCD's catch up or are replace with a better tech.
 
I just switched to a 24" Samsung T240 LCD from my 5 year old Viewsonic 21" CRT. I am an avid gamer and always resisted the temptation to switch to LCD because of the ghosting. However, this Samsung I just picked up is great, the colors and picture quality (aside from the deepest blacks) definitely win over my old CRT. As far as ghosting is concerned, there really isn't any at least compared to the last LCD I tried a couple years ago. There is a very slight "blur" in the graphics associated with fast movements, but its not really a big issue like it used to be. As far as I'm concerned that slight disadvantage is not worth going back to my CRT considering the excellent picture quality and widescreen real estate this LCD offers me. I am seeing details in games I didn't notice before on my CRT, it really is a whole new experience and my 8800gtx sli really shines at the 1920x1200 res. So if your rig can push that higher resolution I suggest you switch to a quality 24" widescreen LCD. Or at least try one out , if you buy from a store like Best Buy you can always return it!
 
I kind of agree. I have an old Sun Mircosystems monitor knocking around (1600x1200) IIRC and even with only my (albeit fuzzy and rose tinted) memory to go on I remember that screen being sharper and more responsive (not to mention the colour accuracy etc) than the LCD screens I see and use today.
 
Thanks for all the opinions and suggestions. I'm pretty much in the same frame of mind as GORANKAR who said, "Most people have just forgotten how good they looked since few people have a good CRT to compare against their LCD." My thoughts exactly ;) However new@this also brought up a good point of being able to have a 24" monitor running 1900x1200... that would just have to rock... especially for stategy gaming, which I also partake in. If I could find a good 24" CRT, that would be one thing, but it's nearly impossible anyway. I guess we really do need a "next step" in monitor tech. :(
 
DoomzDayz.........I have a plasma for the living room and always wondered about the "non-ghosting" qualities of one for gaming. Interesting...... but they don't make plasmas below 42" or so, do they?
 
Aerixx said:
DoomzDayz.........I have a plasma for the living room and always wondered about the "non-ghosting" qualities of one for gaming. Interesting...... but they don't make plasmas below 42" or so, do they?
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There's an LG around thats 36" but I think it's 720p.
 
I'm LONG over my CRT love. Got over that blurry radiated mess on the screen. It took a VX922 (2ms)to make the switch...now after 4 different LCDs I'm LOVING my Samdung 305T 30"er. Cannot imagine life without it, literally.

Just get over the CRT thing man, once you do, your eyes will thank you and you'll begin to experience the good life again. Oh. Your eyes WILL adjust. You may not WANT them to adjust, as I didn't (I could notice ghosting, even on the fastest 2ms LCD out there)...then I adjusted to my 5ms 204B, 5ms 245BW and within a few days adjusted to my 6ms 305T. I never thought I would and I waited FAR too long to get a 30"er because of it. I should have never waited.

Seriously though, get over it.
 
Aerixx said:
Would the new 120Mhz spec LCDs make any difference?
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From what I've heard, it isn't true 120Hz - they just display 60Hz frames twice in a row. I don't know if that will be meaningful in games.
 
yes but I was talking about size and good ms :)

I always want to game from a distance on my couch even with my PC

so 30''+ is always what I like to go for but have a couple of 26'' :)

there are very gd priced 22'' etc but thats only useful if you like sitting on a chair all day I can't do that.
 
I'm wondering if one of those Loewe Aconda or XBR960 HD CRT tv's would make a good monitor. Provided you had desk space for a 220Lb 38" or 150Lb 34" CRT. ;) 1920x1080 is max res for them so prolly not. :)



Even I am not that ridiculous, OK....
 
I hear the BenQ G2400WD is actually the best monitor for gaming right now, but I can't speak from personal experience and probably won't since it's too dark for me (250 candelas, I believe)? I'm settling with the older Samsung 245bw soon, but I constantly hear bad things about it. I can't seem to find a monitor with average viewing angles (just something better than "poor"), good brightness, low input lag and a nice design. The 245bw seems to have terrible viewing angles =(
 
It seems like picking an LCD is just a game of compromises. I can't help but feel abit disappointed that the old tech was phased out before a truly better predecessor was found. I'm not an LCD hater by any means... I work on one 8 hours a day, Viewsonic-22" widescreen, and while it's great for CAD and such, it still can't beat gaming on a CRT. IMO
 
all down to opinion then I suppose I could never go back to a crt after 8 years with LCD's... and I am not a competitive fps player so It doesn't really bother me much.

If you are all those things and are very critical :p then you will disagree with what I said
 
All TNs have terrible viewing angles. It's inherent in the design. There is no workaround.

The viewing angles spec itself is unreliable:

Viewing Angle: Although the spec itself has been marred with inaccurate values, you can still get an indication of the panel type from this value. Panels that state 170/170 degrees or lower are always TNs (this can actually get as accurate as 140/135). LCDs that claim 176/176 or 178/178 at 10:1 contrast are VA or IPS panels. If 176/176 or 178/178 is a measurement at 5:1, the panel can be a TN! (See NEC LCD24WMCX and Eizo S2201W.) Panel type can be further confirmed by using panel search sites and general vendor/panel use trends.
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http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206

Contrast ratio specs are so fudged that it tells you nothing and should be ignored. Monitor has crappy blacks but you want to post a high contrast ratio spec? Boost the white level!

Response time as reported by the monitor makers is also not a trustworthy spec. Monitor makers employ various methods of measuring this to make their monitors look better on paper. Monitor makers have yet to acknowledge that input lag exists - it is left to users to figure that part out for themselves.

I am making monitor makers sound almost criminal with respect to their spec sheet practice, aren't I? Just wait until you read about panel lotteries.
 
Yeah that's why I'm still using my old 22" Diamondtron CRT... It's not as sharp for text but for everything else it's great.

Sure I need a desk that is 4' deep, but I already have it... so what the heck.
 
Just retired my Viewsonsic fb220 and it still works fine but the eye strain was getting to me
The 70lb beast is a few feet away from my new 28' Hannspree and really its two different worlds
It was tough to make the leap but I'm glad I did, making the choice on my terms not being forced by a sputtering and dying crt
No lag or ghosting and the view area on screen..... no comparsion
Sure the crt has a better gray scale but I don't need 24 shades of gray while gaming
1900x1200 res looks great
Going for a 30' next month
 
make sure you guys test it using the video card to scale and gaming mode / effects off if the monitor has it.

i found that making my vid card scale instead of the display solved a lot of the lag
 
Brahmzy said:
I'm LONG over my CRT love. Got over that blurry radiated mess on the screen. It took a VX922 (2ms)to make the switch...now after 4 different LCDs I'm LOVING my Samdung 305T 30"er. Cannot imagine life without it, literally.

Just get over the CRT thing man, once you do, your eyes will thank you and you'll begin to experience the good life again. Oh. Your eyes WILL adjust. You may not WANT them to adjust, as I didn't (I could notice ghosting, even on the fastest 2ms LCD out there)...then I adjusted to my 5ms 204B, 5ms 245BW and within a few days adjusted to my 6ms 305T. I never thought I would and I waited FAR too long to get a 30"er because of it. I should have never waited.

Seriously though, get over it.
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I also have a vx922 which i think is an awesome gaming monitor made the switch from my 19inch CRT simply cuz of size but the color of the crt > lcd but the 2ms gtg and wtw of the vx922 makes it lag free IMO. Wish the colors were better at viewing angles. I look at it head on so it looks great but i know what people complain about is there. Looking at possibly buying a 22PVA or 24PVA but im worried about input lag becoming an issue. I might just stick with my vx922 but it seems like starving the 4870 with any game other then crysis as it will max out settings in pretty much any other game. Descisions Descisions!!
 
I only got a LCD a few months ago, because my younger brother had purchased one years ago and it was complete crap, with absurd ghosting issues. My other PCs have 19" CRTs. I absolutely love the new LCD (BenQ2400). It does not suffer from ghosting (at least I cannot notice it). One big factor preventing me from getting a LCD had been "native resolution" that all LCDs have. I was very concerned about not being able to run a particular game at 1920x1200 (the native resolution of my LCD) and then having it look crappy at a "fake" lower resolution. It isn't an issue, at least in gaming, much to my relief. And besides, even my $149 HD 4850 pushes out more than enough fps in the games I play at 1920x1200.
 
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