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MrGuvernment

MrGuvernment

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hehe, got your attention

well as i type this.. installing Ubuntu 8.10 x64 under a VM on my system

Yes, MrGuv is trying the other side for once, now that i have 8G of ram i figured why not!

so i am sure you will all be seeing me allot around here asking questions (which i cant find in other threads) :)

i love windows, dont get me wrong, but i think i have ADD, i need new things to keep me interested and entertained!!
 
haha!

i am posting this from Ubuntu! sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet


okay.. so what now..lol



mm, i notice usng VMware, sometimes my mouse like "sticks" and wont go all the way to the edge...... i shake the mouse around and then it works....
 
Should have used VirtualBox <snicker, snicker> :D

Believe me, I've done that a few hundred times over the years: installed some Linux distro to try something different, and as soon as it's installed and operational, I'd find myself simply staring at the Desktop wondering, "Ok, now what," then I'd spend an hour or so trying stuff, realize I don't like Linux, and wipe it and go back to Windows.

That's just how things go for some of us. Some people take to Linux like fish to water, same with OSX. I'm not one of 'em... Windows makes sense to me, stuff is where it should be, laid out well and easily altered to fit it necessary. I don't need code-level access to an OS, I just need it to work, and Windows has always worked for me.

Go figure...
 
never heard of VB :d but will check it out for sure...

i am completely with you m8! you said it better then i could...

i had a macbook for a year, sold it, OSX didnt impress me enough even thought the person i sold it too asks me for help and now a few other new friends who have macbooks, i learned OS X inside and OUT! but i just wasn't impressed to keep using it.

i like windows cause i know windows, but right now i am going through a point in my life i need to do something and my brain is rotting very quickly, i am taking on new projects at work with things i don't know much about (redoing a back end with Ajax, php, mysql for one..)

i am bored lately and i want to make sure i have a future if my jobs change so i need to re-awaken my brain, back when i was 17-20, nightly i would obtain new programs and literally learn them over night, i only wish i remember them. I was throwing out flash websites for clans the first day macromedia flash came out!

i need brain food and for me, this is one more thing to mess with and be familiar with to which i can only see as a benefit for me, being my field i am in now in IT, server management and such, i should be well rounded!

i am considering installing ubuntu at work as the sole OS, to basically force me to learn as i need my system for work, i know i can run the 1 program that only comes in windows in wine... so maybe something!

i just need to know where i should go in a sense and help, as i do get frustrated easily.. so i will give up if something does work if i cant find help, why i am sticking to H and OCF for help instead of other places since as many know most linux people tell you RTFM!
 
PS. it is nice running this in full screen on my second monitor as i notice, i alt+tab out of a game i click on my VM and end up posting on forums in ubuntu and dont even notice it :D
 
VMs are fun stuff, definitely. Why run one OS when you can run 'em all (given you have the processing horsepower and RAM, of course...) :D

When I owned an iMac back in 2006 I ran OSX on the primary 20" LCD and XP on a secondary 20" LCD side by side at the same time, no issues that I noted. I have a long history with the OSx86 Project having been the guy that released the world's first generic installation DVD for it back in 2005, but even with all the effort and time I've put into it, I still can't stand the OS personally. It just lacks too much, I can't stand aspects of the GUI, the window management (whaddya mean I can only change the window size from the bottom right corner? What fucking idiot came up with that?) and other reasons I won't delve into.

But VMs, definitely fun to play with.
 
v ery nice, i loved running XP with parallels in "co-op" mode made it nice, now an employee of ours does that as she bought my macbook and she likes it as well, when she goes home her daughter uses OSX and at work she uses the co-op mode.

it is hard for me to get used to change, i like what i like but i will give things a try,.

i was just thining i should try OSX leopard under this rig, just got to check my hardware to see if i got all the drivers.....


VM are fun, i never really liked them before but now having 8G of ram and a q6600 and set up the VM on a raid 0 system, it is nice and fast, so why not!!!
 
If you wanna have some real fun, try this:

Set up a 6GB RAMdisk using the trial version of RamDisk Plus from www.superspeed.com. Once it's created, make a new XP VM (make an ISO of the installation disc and install it from the ISO on the hard drive, not the CD in the optical drive, much faster), and create a 4.5GB virtual hard drive inside the RAMdisk which will leave ~1.5GB of free space in the RAMdisk. Copy the XP ISO from the hard drive to that remaining ~1.5GB of free space on the RAMdisk.

Now, install XP into that VM with the 4GB virtual hard drive on the RAMdisk from the ISO which is sitting on the RAMdisk too and see just how fast you can install XP - if it takes longer than 3 minutes, you're doing something wrong.

Then the really fun part: actually using XP which happens to be installed on a virtual hard drive that sits on a RAMdisk itself - a completely functional version of Windows XP that resides on and runs from pure RAM. Talk about fast... I love doing that and showing it to people on my Q6600@3 GHz machine with 8GB of DDR2 800 4-4-4-12. They almost piss themselves at how ludicrously fast it is.

Not just XP, mind you, but Ubuntu, or some other OS as long as you can install it on a ~4GB "hard drive" because that's about the best you can do with the 6GB RAMdisk. I know a guy with 32GB of RAM (seriously) and he's got XP installed to the RAMdisk (he has it on the hard drive actually for safe keeping then copies it over to the RAMdisk before he actually runs it) and good lord, it's wicked evil cool fast beyond words.

Always nice to learn and try new things...
 
i was thinking about a ram disk! but originally for photoshop and a page file!

man you sound like you have had some fun! send that fun this way! i am up for anything!!!


man 3 minutes..LOL

i plan to buy a new mobo for this rig... what 775 can take 16g of ram or more..LOL

dont temp me!! speed like that! i could sell this computer in CR for $4k instead of $2k..lol
 
Joe Average said:
Always nice to learn and try new things...
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You never seem to miss a chance to plug RamDisk Plus or 64-bit Windows XP...

I need to try out Ubuntu 8.10 sometime. I'm all Vista at home but I like to experiment. I've heard that x64 Ubuntu has improved dramatically over the last few versions.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
You never seem to miss a chance to plug RamDisk Plus or 64-bit Windows XP...

I need to try out Ubuntu 8.10 sometime. I'm all Vista at home but I like to experiment. I've heard that x64 Ubuntu has improved dramatically over the last few versions.
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I'd suggest moving away from ubuntu after you get your feet wet, it's been getting rather bloated lately (lots of extras that you don't need, just like Windows).
 
Joe RamDisk Plus said:
Always nice to learn and try new things...
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It's rather easy to dump a root filesystem into a tmpfs during boot on a Linux system. Using a compressed image is possible as well, and no functionality is lost if a union mount is employed to handle writes. Any distro can do this, just requires an initramfs that supports it and a bit of scripting to handle shutdown. A nice (and very fast) distro that does this out-of-the-box is Puppy Linux, no extra configuration needed.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
You never seem to miss a chance to plug RamDisk Plus or 64-bit Windows XP...

I need to try out Ubuntu 8.10 sometime. I'm all Vista at home but I like to experiment. I've heard that x64 Ubuntu has improved dramatically over the last few versions.
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ya last time i tried nix was using Fedora 3 or was it 4 and i didnt like it cause it was already getting bloated and didnt seem to do nix any justice as a smooth fast OS.


novadude said:
I'd suggest moving away from ubuntu after you get your feet wet, it's been getting rather bloated lately (lots of extras that you don't need, just like Windows).
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i have been hearing that from the reading i have done, what is funny is people complain how bloated windows is, and how that people want everything in their *nix installations they are now realising it is bloated to give the user what they want, it isnt easy to make an OS to please the massive and still keep it fast and smooth as the earlier years of desktop nix versions.
 
novadude said:
I'd suggest moving away from ubuntu after you get your feet wet, it's been getting rather bloated lately (lots of extras that you don't need, just like Windows).
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Maybe try Xubuntu.

I just installed it and wow. Definitely faster than plain old ubuntu. Different to setup though since I'm used to gnome.
 
novadude said:
I'd suggest moving away from ubuntu after you get your feet wet, it's been getting rather bloated lately (lots of extras that you don't need, just like Windows).
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Its more a hobby for me now than anything, although I did put together a few point of sale machines for the local Boy Scouts district this summer that used Xubuntu and a cool java app called Openbravo POS.

I used to use it all the time on my laptop at school so I'm not new to it, I just want to see if 64-bit is getting any better. Last time I tried the 64-bit version it was basically impossible to do anything Java or flash related in Firefox.

As for bloat, I'm perfectly fine with how Vista runs on all my machines (several Athlon X2s and my Q6600). Unless its getting dramatically slower I doubt I'll notice.
 
Private_Ops said:
Maybe try Xubuntu.

I just installed it and wow. Definitely faster than plain old ubuntu. Different to setup though since I'm used to gnome.
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will try that myself in another vm :) also the flash for x64 is not supported so you need to get the x32 lib files and try to run it that way


Now,

trying to access my windows shares, i can view the system via network / but oince i click on the computer it shows no shares (i know they work fine via another windows machine)

when i try to manually connect using smb option i get this error

Error: Failed to mount Windows share
Please select another viewer and try again

now i can access a shared ubuntu folder i made, and samba is installed and i can read write to and from that folder from my vista machine fine.

some reading shows this as a large problem in 8.10 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=964564
 
I played with VMs several years ago just to check them out and didn't bother with them again until recently when I tried out VirtualBox. Loaded up Vista for the hell of it and it runs well. But as Joe mentioned, I found myself staring at the desktop and just fiddling around installing updates, I haven't ran it since...I get bored easily. I see Vista everyday at work so I was more curious about VirtualBox than anything.
 
I gotta agree. Love me my VM's. Never been easier to learn an OS no matter which one it is. It's how I got through my MCSE. It's how I keep up with certain Linux distros just to see what's changed since I doubt I'll run those distros exclusively. Plus how can you not like blowing up stuff like a self contained 8 computer network complete with 4 clustered DC's, 1 Exchange Server and 3 clients? :D
 
LOL i have thought about a VM at work, but our servers just dont have the I/O to really do it well!

i do find now is i start up my ubuntu VM and use it for Internet stuff, we browsing so far, prob move my IM over to this as well, and go from there,

i know i will never go %100 linux, at least not any time soon,. but to have options is nice and it cant hurt my resume to know more OS's then windows only and osx..
 
so i figured out how to change folder permissions and using IM in ubuntu :D

next challenge!
 
Install XP inside a VirtualBox VM inside Ubuntu already running inside a VM, of course. ;)
 
LOL

a Vm inside of a VM inside of a VC inside of a VM

wonder how deep you could go before performance just sucksssssssss
 
compile some programs, then edit the startup scripts. after that, play around with apache and samba for some networking fun.
 
well i just got 8.10, and it actually fixed my networking issues I had with windows machines when i was trying to run 7.04.

Only problem is, now the nvidia drivers cause me to get a OUT OF SYNC message on my monitor and it goes all black as soon as I click the "display" icon, in the system settings folder.... gah. but atliest its running at a higher resolution than 800x600...
 
fun y 8.10 network doesnt work %100 for me, it shows the network and my windows box but then shows no folders, has been reported as a bug on ubuntu forums.
 
Joe Average said:
Install XP inside a VirtualBox VM inside Ubuntu already running inside a VM, of course. ;)
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Ubuntu inside of a VMware server VM running on XP running on ESX running in vmware workstation running on Windows XP.

Yes, I nested that far ;)
 
LOL thas alot of nesting.., well after this long i am still using ubuntu, havent given up yet, cant say i have learned a ton yet, but at least i still have it running
 
I was using xp on my desktop and vista on my laptop.

I changed over to ubuntu on my desktop bout 2 weeks ago and havn't had any majour problems. I find it to be quite snappy and responsive compared to xp, and i was running a fairly lean xp setup. Changed the laptop over to ubuntu last night and again no majour problems.

As for sittin there just lookin at the screen.....i used to do that sometimes with windows anyway.......but as long as it does everything i need it to do and does it well i am happy............and i have no plans to change back to windows in the immediate future

Stef
 
Not sure if this is the right place to post ... but since VMs, ramdisks, etc are discussed here I'll go ahead:
I have too much Windows at work, so my home machine is running Linux (Ubuntu 8.04 at the moment). I'm one of these folks who like to overclock everything to the moon .. and having Linux as the only OS makes it somewhat difficult to do, especially to do in a safe manner:
* many manufacturers provide Windows-only utils to mess with the settings of the motherboards and video-cards
* the sensor monitoring (temperature, fan speed, etc.) is not (well, does not seem to be) mature enough under Linux
* somehow CPU-z which brings together a whole bunch of useful info in one place an is de-facto standard tool of documentation one's overclocking achievements on a Windows platform is not ported to Linux. /proc/cpuinfo and cpufrequtil sometimes don't work accurately.
This makes me want to have a Windows installation just for the purpose of sensor monitoring and overclocking (how does one overclock a video-card on Linux?). Obviously a WM approach seems to be more appropriate/convenient than a dual boot.
1) Has anyone done something like this?
2) Is it possible to have a setup where I can run Windows from Linux with a mouse-click (i.e., without having to install it each and every time)?
3) Is Windows run on a VM capable of running all those BIOS tweaking and sensor monitoring programs Ok?
4) Where can I get educated on running Windows as a guest OS on a Linux host?
 
ya everything is basically routed through the VM host software, for me my vid card is using a VMware driver so i cant even run anthing 3d intensive...
 
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