How might the GTX 280 stack up to the 8800gt and 8800gt SLI?

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hornkiku23

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I was curious what your opinions might be based on the numbers out there now.

I just picked up grid which I love for my 8800gt. At 2560x1600 I get 25-30 with 2xmsaa. (hood view only, not cockpit) It is very playable and looks great.

What kind of numbers and AA options at that res might I expect with the GTX 280?

Also in general what might the bump from 8800gt to SLI to GTX 280 be like?

Thanks for any fun speculation!
chad
 
i think the GTX 280 would rape a single 8800GT
 
Prison rape. Big guy named Bubba, and no vaseline in sight.

Effectively, I believe it will be the gateway to potentially maxing out Crysis.
 
So if I am getting 25fps in grid at 2560x1600 with 2xmsaa on the single 8800gt

I would get 60fps at the same res with 4x or 8x on the 280?
 
I just fired up the GRID demo on the sig rig and @ 1920x1200 4XMSAA I got around 45 FPS, but its silky smooth, so I don't think that you need to hit 60 anyway for a good experience. Pretty sure you're not going to 60 FPS with one GTX 280 at those settings, but mid 40's sounds pretty reasonable and it should be just fine.
 
Well I do not "need" those settings but I was curious if the GTX 280 is going to double/triple/quad my performance I get with the single 8800gt.
 
It's pretty close to being 4X a single 8800GT. 45 FPS at 2x the AA. That's a HUGE performance leap if that's how it pans out.

So at 25 FPS do you find it playable?
 
heatlesssun said:
It's pretty close to being 4X a single 8800GT. 45 FPS at 2x the AA. That's a HUGE performance leap if that's how it pans out.

So at 25 FPS do you find it playable?
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It is usually about 45 but at the start of the race and when I get in tight spots it is about 25.
I was shocked really when I turned on the AA because I expected less than 10fps with it on but it is really nice.
 
grid doesnt seem to get choppy when it gets slow... but there is noticeable input lag. instead of choppin up it just runs slower... i just went from a 7800gt to a 8800g92 and the difference in the control was actually the most notable thing.
 
hornkiku23 said:
I was curious what your opinions might be based on the numbers out there now.

I just picked up grid which I love for my 8800gt. At 2560x1600 I get 25-30 with 2xmsaa. (hood view only, not cockpit) It is very playable and looks great.

What kind of numbers and AA options at that res might I expect with the GTX 280?

Also in general what might the bump from 8800gt to SLI to GTX 280 be like?

Thanks for any fun speculation!
chad
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Speculation is fun. I think it will be the same speed as a current GX2 + or -10% (yes I pulled it out of my arse).
 
Jakalwarrior said:
Speculation is fun. I think it will be the same speed as a current GX2 + or -10% (yes I pulled it out of my arse).
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You could be right, but that would be a massive fail for nVidia. I don't think they'd even bother if that's all they had.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...-2-sm2-0-score,543.html?p=1579,1599,1578,1562

Im basing my guess in history ;)
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3DMark doesn't mean much around here. Plus the 8800 had another purpose, DX10. GTX 280 doesn't other that kind of technical upgrade. This part is about pure speed. If it is in overall performance on par with single 9800 GX2 it's a huge disaster, pure and simple. Plus its expensive, the margins would be better on a 9800 GX2.

This card no doubt is a significant jump over the 9800 GX2. If it is not then it would be perhaps the biggest product failure in nVidia's history.
 
Their last two lines weren't failures and they were about the same performance as the previous gen in SLI. You can change the benchy with the drop down to something other than 3dmark though... there are a few that are skewed because of memory limitations or lack of certain features but overall the ratios stay pretty close.
 
Jakalwarrior:
So youre basing your guess in history which you pulled out of your arse or..?
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Well if this is looked from wider angle 8800 GTX won 7950 GX2 by 30-50% initially. One year later and 8800 GTX won 7950 GX2 by 100-200%, even 8800 GTS 640 wins by 50-100%. So it's up to what kind of drivers they have. Spec wise GTX 260 should slaughter 9800 GX2 with higher settings

This is all because G80 cards initially had shitty drivers..and later on 7950 GX2 driversupport was cut out after G80 was released.
 
wouldn't it make more business sense to put out NOT more then 1.5x the 9800gx2's performance right now? they dont have any competition... ati isn't going to revolutionize anything (i pulled that from ass but i dont think anyone thinks ati has muscle right now). and if nvidia's next-gen midrange card puts out 4x the performance of a 8800gts but for $30 more you think they would even be able to sell the rest of the g92 chips?
 
Niceone said:
Jakalwarrior:
So youre basing your guess in history which you pulled out of your arse or..?
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Yup, never buy my second hand books. Mostly I just wanted to throw a conservative wrench into the conversation. I do hope the cards are extremely fast. 1.5X faster than 9800GX2 would be great. I just dont buy into hype anymore these days. I cant remember the last time anything lived up to marketing or fan hype.
 
Aelfgeft said:
Prison rape. Big guy named Bubba, and no vaseline in sight.

Effectively, I believe it will be the gateway to potentially maxing out Crysis.
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To this I'll throw in a sandpaper condom
 
In my XPS 630 with Vista Home 32bit, dual 8800 GTs scored 24.874% better than a single GTX 280 using the retail video card drivers.

SLI Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 15,514
SM2.0 = 6122
SM3.0 = 7281
CPU = 4372

Single Nvidia GTX 280 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 11,655
SM2.0 = 6290
SM3.0 =
CPU = 4368

XPS 630 configuration
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 Kentsfield 3.00GHZ processor 8MB L2 cache overclocked to 3.50GHz
nVidia nForce 650i SLI SPP chipset
2GB PC2-6400 DDR-2 SDRAM 800MHz
Two Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT G92 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Driver 174.74
Nvidia GTX 280 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Driver 178.13
RealTek ALC888-HD Integrated Audio
Two 320GB ST332062 HDD
160GB WD1600ADFS-755LR HDD
Optiarc AD-7190S DVD-RW
TSST TS-H493B CDRW/DVD
2407WFP monitor
2208WFP monitor
Vista Home 32bit
DirectX 10
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In my XPS Test PC (Dell confidential) with Vista Home 64bit but no overclocking, dual 8800 GTs scored 24.270% lower than a single GTX 280 using the retail video card drivers.

SLI Nvidia 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 13,052
SM2.0 = 5287
HDR/SM3.0 = 4983
CPU = 5766

Nvidia GTX 280 1GB DDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 17,235
SM2.0 = 6990
HDR/SM3.0 = 7344
CPU = 5671
 
I think this is whole problem with video cards these days. There are too many choices and too many configurations to think about. I've been toying the idea of a new video card(or 2) and it's almost impossible to figure out what to do. Stalker clear skys rapes my 8800gtx to death, but do I get SLI 260s, 4870X2, SLI 9800GX2s, another 8800gtx.....

I mean wow.. and you can't always go by benchmarks because every system is different even if you have the same system as seen in benchmarks. It's even harder when you have a 8800 series card. Too bad it can't be like the old days. You have like 2 versiond of the card, and th enext series that comes along blows the old one away.
 
DELL-ChrisM said:
In my XPS 630 with Vista Home 32bit, dual 8800 GTs scored 24.874% better than a single GTX 280 using the retail video card drivers.

SLI Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 15,514
SM2.0 = 6122
SM3.0 = 7281
CPU = 4372

Single Nvidia GTX 280 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 11,655
SM2.0 = 6290
SM3.0 =
CPU = 4368

XPS 630 configuration
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 Kentsfield 3.00GHZ processor 8MB L2 cache overclocked to 3.50GHz
nVidia nForce 650i SLI SPP chipset
2GB PC2-6400 DDR-2 SDRAM 800MHz
Two Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT G92 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Driver 174.74
Nvidia GTX 280 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Driver 178.13
RealTek ALC888-HD Integrated Audio
Two 320GB ST332062 HDD
160GB WD1600ADFS-755LR HDD
Optiarc AD-7190S DVD-RW
TSST TS-H493B CDRW/DVD
2407WFP monitor
2208WFP monitor
Vista Home 32bit
DirectX 10
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In my XPS Test PC (Dell confidential) with Vista Home 64bit but no overclocking, dual 8800 GTs scored 24.270% lower than a single GTX 280 using the retail video card drivers.

SLI Nvidia 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 13,052
SM2.0 = 5287
HDR/SM3.0 = 4983
CPU = 5766

Nvidia GTX 280 1GB DDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 17,235
SM2.0 = 6990
HDR/SM3.0 = 7344
CPU = 5671
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Your 3dmark score is low for a 280. Waaayyyy low. A 260 equals two 8800gt's in most cases.
 
GPU Review can give you the numbers you are looking for, without unwarranted sexual innundo.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=567&card2=544#

GTX has a lead in Mem bandwidth and Flops, they are roughly tied on pixel fill rate, and 8800sli lead in texture fill rate. So throw in some overclocking and it not as much of a "rape" as has been previously suggested.

GTX280 no OC
Memory Bandwidth: 141.696 GB/sec
FLOPS: 933.12 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 19264 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 48160 MTexels/sec

8800GT SLI no OC
Memory Bandwidth: 115.2 GB/sec
FLOPS: 336 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 19200 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 67200 MTexels/sec


I run my cards moderatly overclocked and get this, which I'm very happy with.
Memory Bandwidth: 121.6 GB/sec
FLOPS: 716.8 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 22400 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 78400 MTexels/sec


 
DELL-ChrisM said:
In my XPS 630 with Vista Home 32bit, dual 8800 GTs scored 24.874% better than a single GTX 280 using the retail video card drivers.

SLI Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 15,514
SM2.0 = 6122
SM3.0 = 7281
CPU = 4372

Single Nvidia GTX 280 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 11,655
SM2.0 = 6290
SM3.0 =
CPU = 4368

XPS 630 configuration
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 Kentsfield 3.00GHZ processor 8MB L2 cache overclocked to 3.50GHz
nVidia nForce 650i SLI SPP chipset
2GB PC2-6400 DDR-2 SDRAM 800MHz
Two Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT G92 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Driver 174.74
Nvidia GTX 280 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Driver 178.13
RealTek ALC888-HD Integrated Audio
Two 320GB ST332062 HDD
160GB WD1600ADFS-755LR HDD
Optiarc AD-7190S DVD-RW
TSST TS-H493B CDRW/DVD
2407WFP monitor
2208WFP monitor
Vista Home 32bit
DirectX 10
======

In my XPS Test PC (Dell confidential) with Vista Home 64bit but no overclocking, dual 8800 GTs scored 24.270% lower than a single GTX 280 using the retail video card drivers.

SLI Nvidia 8800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 13,052
SM2.0 = 5287
HDR/SM3.0 = 4983
CPU = 5766

Nvidia GTX 280 1GB DDR3 PCI-E 2.0
Score = 17,235
SM2.0 = 6990
HDR/SM3.0 = 7344
CPU = 5671
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got any real world gameplay charts?
 
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