AMD Should Bring Back 939 To Make Money

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It's time to think outside the box. Swing for the fences. Hopefully an AMD exec will see this thread, and say, "Hey, that just might work dag nabbit".

So I propose this: AMD should start manufacturing 939 chips again while their R&D team lock themselves up in a small room and brainstorm a 2009 design.

The only profitable market left for AMD are the people who still have 939 systems, and there should be many since it was the best socket of 2005. In fact, I'm making an unsupported claim to say that there are more 939 owners than there are AM2 owners.

I've searched through HardOCP's forums about this topic, and it seems like many 939 owners would be willing to spend $200 to upgrade to a faster 939 chip... myself included. I'd gladly pay $200 to drop a 939 quadcore or a faster dual core onto my DFI SLI board and do a BIOS upgrade. Sure I'll only have DDR, but the performance difference between DDR2 and DDR are insignificant. My rig still tears up the latest games you throw at it, and yes, I'm still using DDR. I'm talking 80FPS, 1600x1200, AF, AA, everything maxed for COD4, Bioshock, etc.

Another reason to give us a 939 upgrade path is that it'll buy our patience for AMD. Maybe a faster processor is all I need to keep my rig going for another year, and maybe by that time you'll get your act together and have a decent 45nm processor I can purchase.

So what's it gonna be AMD? Bleed cash, time, and reputation while Intel sticks it in you doggy-style? Or make some profit off your most willing customers -- the 939 owners who don't feel like dropping $800 on a new system. We're your only hope. I think the choice is clear.
 
Why $800? I just upgraded to a 940 system for a little over $300. A 5000+ BE CPU, DFI Lanparty NF590 MB and 2Gigs Crucial Ballistix PC2-6800 RAM.
 
ddr2 is better than ddr1.

The lantency is so simular

at 840mhz ddr2 I get 46ns vs 43ns on ddr1.

But the bandwidth on my ddr2 does 8754 mb/sec read 8236 mb/sec write and 9415 mb/sec copy vs 3-4gb/sec on ddr 1.

Also ddr 1 with 4 stick is so hot that I had to run it at 333mhz instead of the default 400mhz. With ddr2 its much cooler running with 4 stick so cool you can touch it. Also runs with less volts.

my AMD BE-2350 overclocked to 2.9ghz with biostar t690g + pcie 8800gts is faster than my old amd64 x2 3800 @ 2.5ghz + 6600gt agp. o. O
 
that would be brilliant except the availability and pricing of ddr1 sucks now compared to ddr2, so no. nice try though :p

i'm just curious to know why you think 939 is profitable while S1, AM2 and F are not :confused:
 
Problem is they are geared up for AM2 now and putting a new (old) package out there might not be feasable..

On the bright side, switching from 939 to AM2 will only Cost you a $50 mb and $50 for 2gb of RAM... ;)

On the down side, You can get a 775 Board and 2GB for the same price... :(
 
Version_3 said:
I'm curious, as I've never owned it, why a 939 is "the best socket"?
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I guess the CPU fits into the socket *just* that bit better than with other sockets.
Ofcourse, slots are better than sockets in general, so Slot A ftw! :)
 
Socket 939 was not necessarily the "best", just VERY popular.

But.. We must move on... My X2 is edging out 3 years old!
 
Scali2 said:
I guess the CPU fits into the socket *just* that bit better than with other sockets.
Ofcourse, slots are better than sockets in general, so Slot A ftw! :)
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hey now im still running one for folding :eek: look @ my sig
 
AM2 to me just seemed unnecessary.

I am still running a 939 X2 4600 for a secondary rig. AM2 caused me to wait, because I didn't want to upgrade mobo and RAM for only minor increases. I just went Intel.

If AMD made some updated 939's id buy one.
 
They should have kept with it longer, I agree. AMD often makes awful business decisions but usually the quality of their products is enough to keep them afloat. Not so much anymore though. I wonder if they'll still be around in 5 years time.
 
939 was a killer socket, but once you move away theres no need to go back. When i was in your situation OP i thought the same, but to be honest amd would be loosing out big time as 939 is no longer supported thru ddr or motherboards.
 
Oh no, they should force upgrades to AM2, because AM2 will run the next generation processors!! :rolleyes:

In all seriousness though, it's too late to turn back. They are fully committed to DDR2 now, and would have to spend a lot of money (which they don't have) to backwards-engineer a new and compatible s939 line of processor.
 
InorganicMatter said:
Oh no, they should force upgrades to AM2, because AM2 will run the next generation processors!! :rolleyes:

In all seriousness though, it's too late to turn back. They are fully committed to DDR2 now, and would have to spend a lot of money (which they don't have) to backwards-engineer a new and compatible s939 line of processor.
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*DING DING DING* We haaaaavvvee a winna!

Seriously people, (and especially to the OP) no offense, but get a clue. AMD does not revolve around a certain socket they make because a few customers think so. They move on to different sockets over the years, usually for very good reasons finacially, technologically and economically just like Intel does. Granted the timing of them dropping 939 wasn't the greatest, but it was necessary since Intel was already well into using DDR2 in their systems.

So, if you love the socket 939 so bad, go hit up Ebay and buy whatever you can find, they are still out "in the wild" to a good degree for now. Otherwise, deal with it or suck it up and get a cheap AM2 or AM2+ setup or go Intel, it's really a very simple choice. Hell, FWIW, I'm still on socket 754 and you don't hear me bitchin'. Move on already folks, I have a long time ago.
 
I get 7000/MB's with my DDR1 (overclocked). DDR1 is actually better for these chips simply because the latency and the on die memory controler. When AM2 came out, it was clock for clock just slightly worse than DDR2/AM2.

The easiest thing they could of done was built a ddr1/dd2 memory controler that could differentiate, which they have plans on doing for DDR3, socket AM3 will be backwards compatible with socket AM2 and DDR2, I don't see why this couldn't of been done before, but with socket 939 with DDR1-3(4). Would of saved AMD alot of money in the long run, would of kept some more fans.

Their not brining back 939 because they were too selfish before, and now their just broke.
 
Lou Ceifer said:
*DING DING DING* We haaaaavvvee a winna!

Seriously people, (and especially to the OP) no offense, but get a clue. AMD does not revolve around a certain socket they make because a few customers think so. They move on to different sockets over the years, usually for very good reasons finacially, technologically and economically just like Intel does. Granted the timing of them dropping 939 wasn't the greatest, but it was necessary since Intel was already well into using DDR2 in their systems.

So, if you love the socket 939 so bad, go hit up Ebay and buy whatever you can find, they are still out "in the wild" to a good degree for now. Otherwise, deal with it or suck it up and get a cheap AM2 or AM2+ setup or go Intel, it's really a very simple choice. Hell, FWIW, I'm still on socket 754 and you don't hear me bitchin'. Move on already folks, I have a long time ago.
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clean the sand out of your vagina. this was more of a "it would be nice" then "zomg cry whine we want our 939 back"
 
AMD should fix Phenom, not waste more resources bringing back 939 processors. That isn't going to make them any money. The VERY small handfull of people who will buy a 939 will pale in comparison to the large amount of customers they will lose for not having a product that can compete with current generation CPU's fron Intel.
 
No, they shouldn't bring back 939. The only thing AMD needs to do, is to focus on mid to low end CPUs and GPUs. High-end needs buck loads of R&D, which in AMD's current financial situation, are surely not easy to support. If they invest what they can, on products that the majority of people will buy, for an attractive price, profits will not be a problem, since costs to produce, will be lower.
What they're doing now, is decrease prices of high-end hardware, to be competitive. But that means, they're losing loads of money, because that high-end hardware should cost more than what they need to price it at, for it to actually sell.

With this strategy, I believe AMD could make a comeback to the high-end, in mid 2009. They would be far better financially and ready to really try to counter anything that Intel and NVIDIA put out, in terms of CPUs and GPUs respectively.
 
To all:

Well... I tried.

You were good AMD.... but it's time to part ways.

Intel, here I come!
 
Simpson5774 said:
The easiest thing they could of done was built a ddr1/dd2 memory controler that could differentiate, which they have plans on doing for DDR3, socket AM3 will be backwards compatible with socket AM2 and DDR2, I don't see why this couldn't of been done before, but with socket 939 with DDR1-3(4). Would of saved AMD alot of money in the long run, would of kept some more fans.

Their not brining back 939 because they were too selfish before, and now their just broke.
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Wow, the level of ignorance and reasoning skills of some of you people is just baffling.
 
Bring back Socket 939? Laff.
they minus well bring back the type writer for all we care... :rolleyes:
 
TheBluePill said:
So your Saying there WONT be any Socket 478 Phenoms?
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OH N000Z!!!! Fracking THG LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wishful thinking. AMD is committed and the time of the 939 is long past. Eclipse is totally right about the prices of DDR1, and the R&D to port 939 over to DDR2 effectively just will not happen (AM2).

Hopefully the B3 Phenom will create some level of resolution, as will low / mid chipsets bring back a a level of stability. In the mean time, my next upgrade will be Penryn, unless the scaling of the B3 is comparable (price included).


On a different note, I'm not sure what all "sand clearing, vagina sticking" is ment, but it sounds kinda h@wT. (Insert slap on head from wife)
 
Monkey God said:
AM2 to me just seemed unnecessary.

I am still running a 939 X2 4600 for a secondary rig. AM2 caused me to wait, because I didn't want to upgrade mobo and RAM for only minor increases. I just went Intel.

If AMD made some updated 939's id buy one.
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I'm in exactly the same boat, except I haven't gone Intel... yet. My x2 s939 @ 2.7GHz still gives me the performance I'm looking for, but those c2d's look mighty tempting...
 
one thing to keep in mind.. it's just a change in memory standard. of course the performance isn't gonna be too much different

we went through all this when 939 'replaced' 754..
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
one thing to keep in mind.. it's just a change in memory standard. of course the performance isn't gonna be too much different

we went through all this when 939 'replaced' 754..
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Yep, and again when it moved to AM2. The extra memory bandwidth just doesn't do much for the k8 architecture.
 
I'm still sore that they axed Socket A :(. Srsly.

Bringing back Socket 939 would only be nice for people who still have S939 systems... however many there still are, and really no one else. And, before current S939 users can upgrade, motherboard manufacturers would need to go back and add new microcode to their S939 boards to support the "new" CPUs, and we all know how good some are updating their current boards for current CPUs as it is, nevermind making "new" S939 boards. And, I highly doubt anyone would build a new S939 system over an AM2 or Intel one if they didn't already have a huge investment in DDR RAM or a kicking S939 board, what with DDR2 RAM going as low as $10/GB these days, and AM2 boards being pretty cheap. So: limited audience, little/no support, no room for expansion, and not cost efficient. I think AMD needs to move forward and deal with their current woes, rather than bringing back an old socket/platform that competes only against their own, current sockets/platforms.
 
AMD needs to refocus on what brought them here and focus on that market. I personally think that AMD got too greedy and ran for the mass market trying to capture OEM vendors and forgetting about the folks that got them there. AMD had a great hold on the enthusiast and niche markets, they should try to reclaim that. Sometimes not having the fastest chip on the market isn't such a bad thing, following can have great advantages.
 
burnin8r said:
I think AMD really missed the boat when they passed on Ageia...
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I hate to sound like a prick, but here goes:

[being a dick]How the hell would purchasing a company that produces a card that costs too much and does almost nothing help AMD improve their current situation? Is your proposal for them to spend more money they don't have to integrate what can only be called a gimmick (at this point) into their platform? Somehow I don't see that making K10 a real contender against Penryn/Nehalem. [/being a dick]
 
I am still running AMD X2 4200+ @ 2.7ghz on my dfi sli-d mobo

i will upgrade in the months to come and i will not go AMD again

FUCK YOU AMD (for now at least :rolleyes: )
 
Amd should stop going through sockets so fast, its gone from 754 to 939 to am2 all on the same cpu.

People wanting to bring back old sockets sound like people wanting tri sli for agp.
 
Wish they could make a universal back-plane so you could just upgrade the CPU or Bridge or Memmory in a modular fashion..
 
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