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Yes, after owning 6 of their cards in the last 4 years, I have finally had enough.

Nvidia almost tricked me with their latest drivers, but I quickly learned better. Now, my most-played video game, Battlefield 2142, is completely unplayable in either XP pro or Vista X64.

Vista still BSODs about once every 5 minutes, and XP makes Battlefield 2142 even worse. Immediately in game everything is yellow and the sound is jumpy. When I exit back to the desktop windows is stuck at 800x600 with 4-bit color, requiring a reboot. This is absolutely pathetic. I am not sure why I continue to buy Nvidia cards, but this is the final issue for me. My FX5600 lasted a year, my 7800GT had the fan stuck on 100%, sounding like a squirrel caught in a jet engine, my first two 7900GT's artifacted in most games, and my 8800GTS can only run benchmarks without huge driver-related errors.

I should have learned from when I was a kid and always bought Sega products because they always came out first. Now I am understanding that waiting a few months for a better product is the smart thing to do.

Who else is at their wit's end.

EDIT: Please read through the whole thread if you are going to post. I don't want to have to slap you around because you read the first post, skipped to page XX, and then said something that has already been blown out of the water or is completely asinine
 
Call me crazy, but...lemme just throw something out there. Just an idea. Tossing into the wind, see what happens. Experimental, like.

If everyone else is using the same hardware and drivers without the problems you are having...maybe...I dunno, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but...let's suggest a wild idea that...just maybe the problem isn't the hardware or drivers.

There ya go! Just a rumination, tossed out into the net. Electrons bouncing around and all. Conceptual.
 
You can take your logic and just get out of this thread, mister. We don't tolerate thinking 'round these parts.
 
dderidex said:
Call me crazy, but...lemme just throw something out there. Just an idea. Tossing into the wind, see what happens. Experimental, like.

If everyone else is using the same hardware and drivers without the problems you are having...maybe...I dunno, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but...let's suggest a wild idea that...just maybe the problem isn't the hardware or drivers.

There ya go! Just a rumination, tossed out into the net. Electrons bouncing around and all. Conceptual.
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ZacharyS said:
You can take your logic and just get out of this thread, mister. We don't tolerate thinking 'round these parts.
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LOL - your musings remind me of the late & very great Bill Hicks. Good work :)

OP - sorry to hear that you're having so much trouble. I've had my fair share of driver related problems with my GTX; however the latest release has improved performance & stability FOR THE MOST PART. Still some issues, but I'm gonna reserve judgement on nVidia at least until R600 is out & tested. Maybe this new architecture is a real nightmare & it's just going to take time to tweak? Fortunately my favourite game, UT2K4, received a nice speed & smoothness boost. Some IQ issues also solved.

That said I am running XP (cuz Vista ain't cooked yet), so it is apples to oranges.
 
Thank you arcegenical and jellyhead for your posts. To the others, search Youtube, or google, and you'll see that the problem is actually quite common. I don't know about you, but a fresh install of XP Pro and Vista x64 with nothing but the latest sound, video, and internet adapter drivers installed still resulting in these problems generally frees myself of any possible errors. Oh that and the fact that other games work fine, and none of these problems existed before the 8800GTS was put into my system.


"So..... Call me crazy, but...lemme just throw something out there. Just an idea. Tossing into the wind, see what happens. Experimental, like. " Maybe Nvidia is to blame?
 
Dethred said:
My FX5600 lasted a year, my 7800GT had the fan stuck on 100%, sounding like a squirrel caught in a jet engine, my first two 7900GT's artifacted in most games...
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All these issues sound like the temp in your case is like 60 degrees celsius. OR you've just overclocked the shit out of either the graphics card or your cpu/ram/mobo. Put EVERYTHING on stock, open the side of your case AND add a few fans blowing directly at the gfx card. If everyone else is fine with nvidia cards, did it ever cross your mind it might be just you, and not a problem with nvidia?
 
If you just upgraded your Nvdia Drivers and now for some reason you cant play your game:confused: Uninstall the Nvidia Display Driver Only ,then use a reg cleaner then reinstall your old driver! I say this because your system is probally trying to use the new driver and old remains of your last driver and BSOD with( Thread Stuck In Driver ERROR)..

This usually happens when the new driver dose not install clean! I would Only update a Driver to a New Release , if it has a fix for an issue or game bug for my specific card or if i have purchased a new card ! Nvida did have Bsod issues last month with some drivers ,but hey so does Ati with its Cats...For most part make sure your PSU is working good too....

Cards ive owned BfgFx5200-5500-5700LE-6800oC-EvGa7800GS-BSOD errorwith newer driver...Installed earlier driver fixed! EVGA 7900GS did same thing...&EvGa7950 512 no problems 8600GTS just fine and my brothers 8800GTS running in X64 Xp pro works like a champ!

As a last resort Vista sits in my closet cuz its not mature enuff yet for games.Besides that make sure your Bf2 is up to date and properly patched,9outa10 its the game install and patches
 
its the vista man. I converted back to xp pro 32. Running bf2 cod 2 and bf 2142 full speed w/out any problems. Vista still is crappy in most cases and once it has matured itself i will convert back to Vista.
 
Right now, Vista + nVidia = poor performance. (Something I'm suffering from.) I can't imagine what problems you're having in XP, though.
 
John said:
Right now, Vista + nVidia = poor performance. (Something I'm suffering from.) I can't imagine what problems you're having in XP, though.
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Have you even tried the latest drivers?
 
Dethred said:
Thank you arcegenical and jellyhead for your posts. To the others, search Youtube, or google, and you'll see that the problem is actually quite common. I don't know about you, but a fresh install of XP Pro and Vista x64 with nothing but the latest sound, video, and internet adapter drivers installed still resulting in these problems generally frees myself of any possible errors. Oh that and the fact that other games work fine, and none of these problems existed before the 8800GTS was put into my system.


"So..... Call me crazy, but...lemme just throw something out there. Just an idea. Tossing into the wind, see what happens. Experimental, like. " Maybe Nvidia is to blame?
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If nvidia is "to blame". . . how do you explain that 100% stable system in my sig?

I think I've got a new mantra for dealing with half the posts in these forums:

"There is a solution to your problem. Throwing a tantrum isn't it."

My guess is that either your motherboard or RAM is fried. Or, since you claim your system was just perfect before your 8800, did you consider that you might have gotten a defective card and might need to have it replaced? Guess what, I got three of them. I bought three 8800GTXes for me (two) and a friend. They all had bad resistors on them because they were overlooked by Newegg in the pre-launch recall.

That aside, whenever I'm having unexplained instability, I always suspect the motherboard first and this has often worked out well for me.

The fact is that the vast majority of users that have had the cards you mention over the years have had none of the bizarre issues you've described. So. . . at some point, people have to suspect the only common factor at play here. . . and that appears to be you.
 
God forbid, it just can´t be ... it can´t be Nvidias fault can it?

To all Nvidia huggers out there, people are having problems. If you don´t have one, it does not mean others don´t. Grow up from your tunnel vision because the world is not perfect so Nvidias drivers are not perfect. With my very limited G80 + Vista experience, I can safely say that their drivers are far from perfect. Why you ask? I replaced the 8800GTS 320 with Radeon 1950pro and POOF (add smoke and bunny from the hat), the problems were gone :rolleyes:

Now it would be totally retarded to say "Nvidias driver will not get better", but its equally retarded to say "Hey everything is fine at the moment".
 
My case never goes above 80*F, usually around 78-79*F after hours of gaming. The card has a PCI blower under it to blow out the heat from the vents. Card doesn't top 75*C..

I apologize, I don't think I made it clear that the problems existed before the new drivers. The Vista BSOD's happened before the new drivers, the Yellow textures in XP Pro happened before the new drivers, but weren't as bad.

The only cards I ever overclocked were the 1st 7900GT, my 7950gt, and this one. Incidentally, my ATi 7200 AIW is running 6-years strong on my old college machine.

I am 100% sure I have never had temp problems, as I literally check my case temps at least once an hour, and always have Rivatuner monitoring temps in game. None of my previous cards have had problems like this. My 7900GTs only artifacted in certain games, but the problem was solved with my old 7950gt, that interestingly had zero problems even with a 170mhz core overclock (720mhz) with 1.55v on the core. Nvidia has had half a damned year. They're ready to release their 8900 Ultra, but can't seem to come out with a decent set of drivers that makes their new (if you can call half a year new) cards work with the same games as the 7-series. Its pathetic.
 
Hurin said:
The fact is that the vast majority of users that have had the cards you mention over the years have had none of the bizarre issues you've described. So. . . at some point, people have to suspect the only common factor at play here. . . and that appears to be you.
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So I blew the resistor on my 5600 256MB? I caused the fan to be stuck on 100% on my 7800GT even though the XFX forums were littered with threads concerning the same issue? My 7900GT's were my fault, even though a large portion of them (probably a majority) were faulty? My 8800GT is my fault even though others experienced my same problems, Vista recovery states that its a driver problem, and a clean install of my Dual boot OS's with the latest drivers and no tampering have not resolved the problem.

Sure its me.
 
To be honest, I'm having a hard time keeping straight exactly what the OP is comlaining about. Now it seems that every other game is fine and his system is otherwise fine in Windows XP. . . except Battlefield 2142. . . which suffers from yellow artifacting.

To which I would reply: Google is your friend.

FIX FOUND ! turn off dynamic lighting and dynamic shadows ... *xp drivers cause yellow textures wile thses are turned on.
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Link
 
Sr7 said:
Have you even tried the latest drivers?
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Of course, I'm running them now on two PCs with nVidia cards. It goes without saying that I'm just talking about my own personal experience, but both PCs have considerably better 3D performance in XP.
 
I sympaphise with the original poster.

Nvidia and their partners have done a very shoddy job so far on vista drivers and card quality. There's no doubt about it .. the cards were rushed out without adequate drivers, and are arguably over priced to cash in on all the people who want a DX9 boost, without a DX10 game in sight to test them with.

Also I remember a significant number of people having problems with the 7900 series cards, with mega length threads on the issues. How quickly people seem to forget.

I have been holding off upgrading to a DX10 class card simply because I dont believe the quality is there with the Vista drivers yet, which has made me wait until the R600 is out instead of jumping into the 8800 pit of driver hell.
 
Dethred said:
Yes, after owning 6 of their cards in the last 4 years, I have finally had enough.

Nvidia almost tricked me with their latest drivers, but I quickly learned better. Now, my most-played video game, Battlefield 2142, is completely unplayable in either XP pro or Vista X64.

Vista still BSODs about once every 5 minutes, and XP makes Battlefield 2142 even worse. Immediately in game everything is yellow and the sound is jumpy. When I exit back to the desktop windows is stuck at 800x600 with 4-bit color, requiring a reboot. This is absolutely pathetic. I am not sure why I continue to buy Nvidia cards, but this is the final issue for me. My FX5600 lasted a year, my 7800GT had the fan stuck on 100%, sounding like a squirrel caught in a jet engine, my first two 7900GT's artifacted in most games, and my 8800GTS can only run benchmarks without huge driver-related errors.

I should have learned from when I was a kid and always bought Sega products because they always came out first. Now I am understanding that waiting a few months for a better product is the smart thing to do.

Who else is at their wit's end.
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Steps to resolving your problem:

1. Uninstall Vista.
2. Reinstall Windows XP.
3. If problem still exists, move on to step 4.
4. You have a bad piece of hardware or you are an ignorant computer user. You decide.

Sorry to be harsh, but it's the truth.

BTW, missed where you said you tried XP Pro. Please refer to step 4.
 
Dethred said:
So I blew the resistor on my 5600 256MB? I caused the fan to be stuck on 100% on my 7800GT even though the XFX forums were littered with threads concerning the same issue? My 7900GT's were my fault, even though a large portion of them (probably a majority) were faulty? My 8800GT is my fault even though others experienced my same problems, Vista recovery states that its a driver problem, and a clean install of my Dual boot OS's with the latest drivers and no tampering have not resolved the problem.

Sure its me.
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It seems to me that's an issue with XFX on the 7800GT, not nVidia. And you already stated the 7900GTs were your fault, but I did have problems with mine after about a year thanks to memory curruption, but that was made right quickly by evga. I have no experience with the 5600s, so I can't comment on what happened there. And yes, Vista has crappy support, but so did XP when it came out. Everyone and their mom knows XP is what should be used if you're gaming right now. Maybe you should try 32-bit XP?
 
Hurin said:
To be honest, I'm having a hard time keeping straight exactly what the OP is comlaining about. Now it seems that every other game is fine and his system is otherwise fine in Windows XP. . . except Battlefield 2142. . . which suffers from yellow artifacting.

To which I would reply: Google is your friend.



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I've already read through the first 10 pages of Google search results pertaining to my yellow texture issue and Vista BSODs. I have already read that fix on several forums. Problem still occurs at any graphics setting, including the lowest possible. Even if it did "fix" the yellow textures, the problem still exists. I am not going to lower in game quality on a new card when my old on could handle higher settings.

Call of Juarez is unplayable also (flashing shadows), if you me discuss othe issues I am having.

Vista, my primary OS, BSODs even in AVI files being played in media players. This is just unacceptable.
 
lewchenko said:
I sympaphise with the original poster.

Nvidia and their partners have done a very shoddy job so far on vista drivers and card quality. There's no doubt about it .. the cards were rushed out without adequate drivers, and are arguably over priced to cash in on all the people who want a DX9 boost, without a DX10 game in sight to test them with.

Also I remember a significant number of people having problems with the 7900 series cards, with mega length threads on the issues. How quickly people seem to forget.

I have been holding off upgrading to a DX10 class card simply because I dont believe the quality is there with the Vista drivers yet, which has made me wait until the R600 is out instead of jumping into the 8800 pit of driver hell.
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Your fault for getting/wanting Vista this early anyway? Why get it....because it looks pretty?

Seriously I dont understand it. Businesses wont use it because its too unstable and incompatible, and gamers shouldnt use it because it is less performance. Why buy it now?

Its your fault for installing a rushed operating system, not Nvidia. The 8 series works perfectly on Windows XP.
 
I cannot believe how many people are so ignorant as to think this is anything but a Driver issue. One of the guys in the gaming community of which I am member, doesn't even play the game anymore because he is having the same problems. Another member had to revert to a beta modded driver and still has to play at the lowest quality settings to avoid completely yellow screens.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=31020
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BoQUMWqEcao

I always thought !!!!!! was used loosely to describe anyone that took a particular side, but I really now see what it means.
 
rmed64 said:
Your fault for getting/wanting Vista this early anyway? Why get it....because it looks pretty?

Seriously I dont understand it. Businesses wont use it because its too unstable and incompatible, and gamers shouldnt use it because it is less performance. Why buy it now?

Its your fault for installing a rushed operating system, not Nvidia. The 8 series works perfectly on Windows XP.
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If I hadn't gotten Vista, I wouldn't be able to play Test Drive unlimited, which is incompatible with the latest Nvidia drivers/card. I keep remembering all these issues after my initial post Doh! If anyone thinks its my fault this time please shut up and read some threads over at the Atari forums.
 
Either way Nvidia just designs the GPUs and drivers so far most of your issues are involving thier manufacturing partners not NV themselves... If you think it will be so much better over in ATI land then go nobodys making you to stay with Nvidia thats your own fault. But just remember that ATI has issues too its not like they just release their shit late because their perfecting it like you want to believe.

And as to your ignorant sega comment :rolleyes: Sega was always the more innovative company up until the dreamcast. They where the first at many things from using CD's as games to the first color screen portable console. their downfall had nothing to do with thier consoles or games they couldnt keep up with the marketing machines called Nintendo and Sony.
 
pfunkman said:
Either way Nvidia just designs the GPUs and drivers so far most of your issues are involving thier manufacturing partners not NV themselves... If you think it will be so much better over in ATI land then go nobodys making you to stay with Nvidia thats your own fault. But just remember that ATI has issues too its not like they just release their shit late because their perfecting it like you want to believe.

And as to your ignorant sega comment :rolleyes: Sega was always the more innovative company up until the dreamcast. They where the first at many things from using CD's as games to the first color screen portable console. their downfall had nothing to do with thier consoles or games they couldnt keep up with the marketing machines called Nintendo and Sony.
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So you're telling me that my issues are hardware related? I guess I'll RMA to EVGA then.

As for Sega, they don't do anything but make half-assed games anymore, so regardless of what you believe, they failed. I was what you could have called a "Sega fan boy", but I eventually learned how terrible they really were. Sega CD? Ha!

Please don't turn this into an O/T argument please.
 
rmed64 said:
Your fault for getting/wanting Vista this early anyway? Why get it....because it looks pretty?

Seriously I dont understand it. Businesses wont use it because its too unstable and incompatible, and gamers shouldnt use it because it is less performance. Why buy it now?

Its your fault for installing a rushed operating system, not Nvidia. The 8 series works perfectly on Windows XP.
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businesses wont use it not because its unstable but because xp does everything they need it to do (for the most part) there is no real motivation for replacement,

gamers will use it and they do use it, believe it or not i only had problems with one game in vista, and that was gothic3, the performance of fear and oblivion is way better than on xp, (i use amd ..i keep using ati but i r3ally dislike that name),

how u gonna try to blame the OS just because nvidia cant write a good driver for their hardware?
 
If Vista BSODs from watching AVIs, I would seriously start considering faulty hardware. My system with clean installs as of Tuesday using the just-released drivers does not BSOD in Vista or have any other widespread stability problems.

I dual-boot. I still use XP for games because I'm not happy with Vista performance (especially Lord of the Rings: Online). XP is just 100% stable with no problems with any games. Though I haven't tried BF2142.
 
I think NVIDIA's Vista driver problems are overstated. I'm sure there are people having real issues with them, but I don't think it is that widespread of a problem. I think it's just that people who have had problems seem to think it's this grand conspiracy or grand failure, so they raise all kinds of hell. I think a lot of people just like to bitch.

I'm using an 8800 GTS and Vista. I haven't had any problems with it. No crashes, no BSODs, no lockups. No strange behavior in games. No problems at all. I didn't have any problem with the Vista drivers on the 7900 GTX either.

On the other side of the fence, ATI's Catalyst 7.3 (haven't tried 7.4 yet) drivers have been a serious pain in my ass....Game crashes, driver crashes, and generally SCREWED up things happening in Windows.
 
Dethred said:
Vista, my primary OS, BSODs even in AVI files being played in media players. This is just unacceptable.
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there's something wrong with your system in particular. this is certainly not a common issue.

and in generaly, i am very happy with the 158 series driver for vista for both performance and stability. vista has now become my main OS (no more booting XP for games).
 
The OP has a legitimate gripe. He is, after all, a legitimate customer with a legitimate problem. I also find it quite funny, how, most of you --without having intimate knowledge about the OP or his system-- think you know better than he, about his system..

Is it possible he may have other hardware issues? Quite possibly.

Is Nvidia (or ATI/AMD) responsible for their hardware and firmware, even their vendor's goods, if a large scale problem is contaminating their product? Most certainly

Will the grass ever be, truly, greener (or red, for some) on the other side? Not a chance...
 
dderidex said:
Call me crazy, but...lemme just throw something out there. Just an idea. Tossing into the wind, see what happens. Experimental, like.

If everyone else is using the same hardware and drivers without the problems you are having...maybe...I dunno, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but...let's suggest a wild idea that...just maybe the problem isn't the hardware or drivers.

There ya go! Just a rumination, tossed out into the net. Electrons bouncing around and all. Conceptual.
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Thats the very same Electrons that be bouncing about inside my head aswell, I concur with what those Electrons are telling me :D

But getting back to the Op point, I cant really see why he specifically wants to blame nvidia ? afterall many other ppl use vista and the same video card, we know that the drivers aint that great for vista, but the other teams drivers aint that good either. I also doubt that the video drivers and his video card is behind all of the problems that he is facing.

The entire BF series runs well on my computers, ranging from a 6800gt rig ( albeit at low settings ) then to sli 7800gtx rig then to a single 8800gtx rig with XP Pro on 2 rigs and Vista on another, so it works for me.

I would think that it could have more to do with vista being a new OS than anything else, but I dunno, but I find it weird that he singles out just nvidia, after all I have not had any problems that he is suffering from.

It could be something entirely different thats causing the problems except the video drivers.

P.S.

Personally, you have listed 5 video cards and everyone of them caused you problems ??? since I dont know you and dont know how competent you are with computers and computer hardware I will refrain from saying that it is more likely user error that causes all of your video cards to have some sort of problem or another, but I still cant believe that you are blaming nvidia and will buy an ati card and think your chances of getting a better gaming experience will somehow magically transform overnight because you went and bought an ATI card ???

Just to add, I have had 2 dodgy nvidia cards in the space of 10 years, 1 just died and the other was damaged by myself due to electricity messing up, so it was just one bad card that I can honestly say that was damaged with no help from myself, you have had 5 :| that is crazy...
 
dot_Zen said:
The OP has a legitimate gripe. He is, after all, a legitimate customer with a legitimate problem. I also find it quite funny, how, most of you --without having intimate knowledge about the OP or his system-- think you know better than he, about his system..

Is it possible he may have other hardware issues? Quite possibly.

Is Nvidia (or ATI/AMD) responsible for their hardware and firmware, even their vendor's goods, if a large scale problem is contaminating their product? Most certainly

Will the grass ever be, truly, greener (or red, for some) on the other side? Not a chance...
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We don't claim to know him or his system. We claim to know us and our systems, and we therefore know that his experiences are not typical. This being an inconvenient factor in the rush to condemn nvidia as "the sux0r" and leave it at that, it is largely ignored.

When someone makes a self-important "Nvidia has lost me. . . yes, me, as a customer" post and then jumps to all sorts of conclusions in a rather sanctimonious and certain tone. . .he's bound to run into some resistance.

I've had hardware issues of just about every stripe and type. . . I post the symptoms, look for common threads, and if it's certainly not my hardware, I wait patiently for a driver.

What I don't do is ignore all the people with similar or identical systems who are symptom-free, post bold assertions about the nature of my problems with a tone of absolute certainty, and then make a blatant attempt to begin a "bitch-fest" with a "who's with me!?!" little tid-bit at the end.

I remember when my 7800gtx SLi system was blue screening and I spent days and possibly even a few weeks ruling out the hardware and confirming that it was the "dual core" bug with nvidia drivers of that era. I wasn't happy about it, but I waited (about 6 weeks) for drivers that fixed the issue. I saw people make posts similar to this one about it. . . and of course the inevitable threats of lawsuits. Meanwhile, I just got over myself and made do until the problem was fixed.

As far as I can tell, the OP's only real problem is that BF2142 is yellow in WinXP and everything else with XP is fine. Yet others with his exact setup don't see this issue at all. So, couldn't this then be some 3rd factor other than "Nvidia drivers are the sux0r!" Of course not. . . because then we couldn't make self-righteous rabble-rousing posts stating with certainty that "Nvidia's drivers are the sux0r!"

There may some day be a driver that works past whatever factor is causing this guy's BF2142 problems. But that's not to say that the problem is certainly nvidia's drivers. Meanwhile, the fact that this guy's Vista crashes every five minutes (as he says) leads most here to think that we're dealing with something more than "nvidia is the sux0r" considering we don't see that behavior (on similar or identical systems) at all.

Moving On. . .
 
Nicely said, Hurin; with much civility and reason. Thank you, genuinely.

Yet, you presume that the OP, and for that matter most customers, care to troubleshoot or deal with PC problems the way you or I would?

That simply can not continue to be the case. The company's named should be more interested in solving certain, and continual, issues than who's getting the most media hype. It's funny, these companies depend on us, the type of users who are patient and logical at approaching these problems to give them credibility (via word of mouth), yet we're not the ones who keep their ban accounts afloat. Priorities for this industry (and probably others) need to be re-considered.

OP, have you contacted your vendor regarding these issues? Have you submitted bug reports to Nvidia? Or to EA? Have you spent anytime troubleshooting the problems along with a professional (Not assuming you're not or haven't)?
 
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