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Need Help Building an Extreme Gaming $4,000-$5,000 Comp
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K i didnt read all the posts, but im suprised at you hardforum-ers! no ones actually put together a list of components for the built yet! shame on you!
so heres my suggestion, with full periferals and everything:
Motherboard:
Asus Striker Extreme - $420
This is the latest and greatist chipset from Nvidia, on the latest and greatest edition to the ROG line from Asus. It had some overclocking difficulties, like the rest of the 680i boards, but they've mostly been worked out, and for those that havnt, they're being worked out. Anywho, this board should overclock like mad, and it offers more features the the EVGA, BFG, and Biostar boards, unfortunatly at a considerable markup, and possibly a couple weeks wait time.
Other mobos to consider include the EVGA 680i LGA 775 board, and, more notably, the brand new like-no-other DFI ICFX3200. But, should you go with an ICFX, you will need a hold-over graphics card to wait for the release of the R600, At which time, you will be ready to stick two of those beats in your comp and run em in crossfire. This stratigy will probibly lead you to better FPS.
Graphics Cards:
2X EVGA ACS3 8800GTX - $1260
This ones a no brainer. Better cooling then stock, looks awsome, who could complain? It's the best performance on the market out there (period). EVGA offers a lifetime warentee on all items even if they are run at non-factory standards (IE overclocking). if your board busts from a high oc, they gotcha covered.
Other Graphics cards to consider, The ATI Radeon X2800 (or R600). I dont know any more then you guys, im just guessing its gonna be called the X2800, it would make more sense if marketing made it the X2700, but for some reason, graphics cards stay away from the numeral 700 (X1700? 6700? 7700? 8700?). anywho, yeah. I suspect the R600 will match or beat the G80s performance, mind you, Nvidias playing a trickey game. Im betting they have a new Driver ready for release, which they will release on the day the R600 is launched. The G80 should be offering more performance then it is now, and they havnt made any real changes to the drivers since launch day.
Processor:
Intex Xeon 3070 - $560
Just because we're on a huge budget, doesnt mean we have to be stupid with cash. the Xeon 3070 is a highly stressed and ready-to-be-overclocked version of the E6700. The X6800 is almost twice as much, and just doesnt offer twice as many options, or twice as much performance. An unlocked multiplier. Well, as Anands review of the 680i board showed, ultimatly, when overclocking, performance differance between procs decreased. They managed an impressive 4.0Ghz on the X6800, while I personally manage 3.5Ghz on tmy E6300. so the differance between the X6800 and the E6300 goes from a stock 1100MHz to the overclocked 500Mhz. The Xeon has been stresstested will overclock highly because of it. The Xeon is meant to run 100%, 100% of the time.
Other options: QX6700, Q6600. Why not go with these suckers? little performance differance. Poor wafer design leads to just a massive ammount of heat, and as such little oc head room on even coolers such as the Tunique tower or thermalright Ultra 120. Even watercooling with a triple rad cant hold this beast down.
Memory:
Corasair DDR2 1066 Dominator - $390
Ahhh now were going extravagent arnt we? DDR1066, the 680i chipset OFFICIALLY supports this ram. Dont know if BIOS will detect and set you to an automatic 1:2, I dont know, but the unlinked mode will let you do it manually if need be.
Other options: OCZ Flex ram, Mushkin Red Line, and the higher version of Corsair dominator. The thing about Flex and the higher Dominator, is its more expensive. vastly more expensive, and theres just no need for it. I believe OCZ uses the Micron D9 chips just like corsair, so Flex might be a good idea if you want to go watercooling. Redline is cheap but hotter, less thermal dissapation. I dont know if Mushkin uses Micron chips.
Power Supply:
Edit: yeah, hes right, max load on two 8800GTX's is going to meet or exceed 600W, you need more juice. get a Silverstone Zeus 850, or a KW psu. i know nothing abouth the kilowatt powersupplies as i've never worked with one!.
Seasonic M12 700W - $210
Check out Johhn Gurus Review. This thing delievered 715W when it was asked to. It maintained 11.99V on the 12V rails. Ladies and gents, it just doesnt get much sweeter then that. as for 700W not being enough power, bahumbug to you. This thing will do fine.
Other options: If your really worried about about not enough power, you could go with a Silverstong Zeus, or a PC P&C Turbo cool. I think you'll be fine with 700W of power tho. That should even leave a modest ammount of head room.
Monitor:
Dell 30" Ultra Sharp - $1500
I know little about monitors, but this things been making waves for a while now. They seem perfectly fine.
Other options: HP L3065. This thing is apparently the best 30" on paper, but i just cant find an e-tailer anywhere! If you can hunt one down, go for one of these over the Dell.
Primary Hard drive:
Seagate Cheetah 15,000 RPM 74Gb - $390
15,000 RPM says it all.
A Raptor is another idea there cheaper, but for fastest load times, go for a Cheetah.
Secondary Hard drive:
Seagate Barricuta 7200 RPM 500Gb - $250
Storage. Lots of it. I suggest all games go on the Cheetah, and you put everything else on this drive.
Cooling:
Thermalright Ultra 120 - $55 (+$15)
I bought one of these to cool my E6300. It manages 1.55 Volts fine, asuming my load Amperage consumption is the same as an E6700, this thing will cool ALL conroe procs perfectly no matter how high the overlock. My temps consist of high 20's at idle, an maybe breaching mid 40's under Orthos load. I strapped an antec tricool at high speed setting to this one. What more can be said? you just dont get nicer temps then that.
Other options: all the scythe products are awsome, I suspect the infinaty would outperform this. But Air cooling isnt rocket science. Big fan + Big HS = low temps. If your really worried about it. Get a thermalright ultra 120 and strap a Delta fan do the sucker. watch you maintain Delta T of 5 degs C ;D.
Water cooling: GO FOR IT! I am! In the past 3 years of computer work this is my first hard core liquid cooling build. Im going with mostly Swiftech products. Mind you, im willing to mod my case. I'm gonna have a four block setupD), or try to. NB, SB, CPU, GPU cooling. Custom tank. gonna be sweet. I see no reason you cant do the same. Mind you, i enjoy working with computers, some dont i guess. One thing to do if you do go for a liquid cooling setup! Stay the hell away from thermaltake! at 50degs C there blocks are known to crack. thats severly not cool.
The rest of the components I leave to your choice, mainly cuz im to lazy to search for them, but also my imput on sound, printers, routers, keyboards, mice and what have you is as good as the next guys, so pick whatever you like.
The Case is something i did leave out. I bought an Antec P180B, but i plan to mod it to put in a side window, i've got the time and knowladge to do that, do you? Lian li, and antec are good names to go with. But the Lanboys are so expensive! My antec P180B was (only
Hmm, I like everything except your choice in monitors.
And you missed one important thing. You need a scsi controller card for the cheetah dude. But none of these are really full packages from top to bottom. I'm starting my own business doing exactly what this guy needs, the whole package where every detail is looked into. For example even something as small as if they want a wireless mouse, get the color they like first, then concentrate on range, rule out brands that lag behind, rule out brands that get interference from routers, etc.
EVERY detail.
Can it be ~1K more? It might not be such a bad choice considering the OP's wishes and level of experience...at least everything in that box will have been troubleshooted for the most part and hopefully working...
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_710h2c?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_710h2c?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
Nevermind, this guy made the ill system. I really can't argue with a thing on it. Except maybe the monitor.
HardwareGuru essentially speced out my current gaming rig. I have everything listed except the Blueray drive.
It's a great system and the current 701 BIOS for the Striker unlocked the beast!! I'm running watercooling on the CPU currently, waiting for more DD 8800GTX blocks to come availible.
It's a great system and the current 701 BIOS for the Striker unlocked the beast!! I'm running watercooling on the CPU currently, waiting for more DD 8800GTX blocks to come availible.
Dude, that computer's garbage. 667 mhz ram? What KIND of ram?
590 mobo? WHICH mobo?
And you already know the keyboard monitor mouse and speakers are gonna be crap. That's what half of retail is built on. People buy computers made from crap and then have to buy parts for the things that go wrong. Why not just have it built from quality stuff in the first place?
Strap this one on
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-021-BQ
edited: wrong info.
That monitor, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014124
and this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824001223
Are exactly the same as far as the lcd panel inside. The differences are:
1. Samsung is known to be of better quality than Benq. The samsung has a 3 year warranty, which I think is proof of this.
2. The Benq has HDMI input, which the samsung does not. However...
3. The Benq has no internal scaling, rendering not only its HDMI, but it's compnent and ybpr, useless. You can't play x-box or hook your hd-dvd up to it. The Samsung however, can, and has all the inputs except HDMI, which is fine because component and dvi do 1080p too.
4. $50 more for the samsung.
Samsung FTW
As stated "considering the OP". To me he doesn't sound like the type of consumer who wishes to spend hours upon hours developing in-depth knowledge of his system. 667Mhz RAM, who cares? In real life application no one is going to notice anything. In a blind test I bet you couldn't even tell the difference if they stuck in 533Mhz ram.
If you're running your fsb at 400 mhz it matters. If you're gonna overclock your processor, in which you WILL notice a difference, you're gonna need faster ram to keep up with the fsb speed. You just show your own ignorance when you try to talk all... like you do. He said GAMING computer, remember? And if you're gonna get crappy parts you might as well buy them yourself and save money. $5500 and it doesn't even have ddr2 800 ram? c'mon now.
As far as learning the in depth shit, that's the WHOLE POINT of him asking us what to get in the first place. Sorry if I come off a little strong, but I'm so sick of these manufacturers skimping on every last possible frikkin thing, and getting away with it because people don't know the difference. Then people wonder why it's not performing like it's supposed to, or why shit keeps breaking, and they get mad at us (the reps). In retail it happens nonstop.
Try it some time....if you have a C2D and 8800GTX running you won't notice it in a game.
No offense to the OP, but people who wish to acquire such knowledge normally put in the hours and work on their own first, so they can ask informed questions. Rarely do they start "guys what should I get" or "is this good" type of threads.
No offense to the OP, but people who wish to acquire such knowledge normally put in the hours and work on their own first, so they can ask informed questions. Rarely do they start "guys what should I get" or "is this good" type of threads.
Ok you're still missing the point completely. It's not the ram itself that makes the speed difference, it's the PROCESSOR being overclocked. However when you raise the fsb to overclock the PROCESSOR, you need faster RAM too keep up. Are you GETTING this?
What fsb speeds are you reaching with the new bios? That's awesome that it's finnally doing what it's supposed to.
Hopefully they'll release a new bios for my p5n32-e sli so I can push it farther too.
You assume too much. It's rather ignorant on your behalf to rely on my possible lack of knowledge in order to get your point across. Thanks for taking the effort of cluing me in on basic OC techniques though
I've been pretty lucky with my Striker. I've always been able to go over 400MHz FSB, now I've been able to reach close to 480MHz without so much as a hickup, on my previous E6600. Running the Quad now, my sig does not reflect my current rig. Upgrading too much!
You assume too much. It's rather ignorant on your behalf to rely on my possible lack of knowledge in order to get your point across. Thanks for taking the effort of cluing me in on basic OC techniques though
Now you're missing the point of me telling you what the faster ram is for in the first place. There's a word for people who miss the point of everything...
I believe it's called "stupid."
I've been pretty lucky with my Striker. I've always been able to go over 400MHz FSB, now I've been able to reach close to 480MHz without so much as a hickup, on my previous E6600. Running the Quad now, my sig does not reflect my current rig. Upgrading too much!
Wow... they really should make a new bios update for the p5n32-e too, since it's basically the same board as the striker. Then I can push fsb to 450 and overclock the crucial ballistix that I have coming in the mail
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I just sent you a very detailed PM including a newegg shoping list. If you have any questions PM me an I will try and help you out.
If you have to ask what to buy maybe you need someone else to build it for you. It takes time and effort for a good build. For some guys (me included) it takes months for a good build. Research and research some more. There are alot of nice products out there and some are fast but do you really need it. If you want the ultimate gaming machine. You need to set a realistic budget and do alot of shopping. Again, research and research then research some more. For the love of god, how big of a screen do you really want? Bigger is not better. Its all in the resolution. Are you going to be sitting 10" from the screen or you going to be 3' from it. I personally find my 20" 1600x1200 amazing for gaming and I sit around 1.5' from the screen. The larger the screen the less pixels per inch. Just remember that. Thats just one small thing to think about. If your going to drop that kinda dough on a computer. It should be built with care and patience. Helps to know a ton about building PCs too.
P.S. If your really serious about a dream machine and want some quality advice or assistance then PM me. I am passionate about building computers.
P.S. If your really serious about a dream machine and want some quality advice or assistance then PM me. I am passionate about building computers.
The thing is, the 30" screen he wants is the dell 3007wfp.
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php?page_id=37&form_keyword=3007WFP&rd=1
It's a lot of money but the VALUE on that thing? The resolution is 2560x1600!! The price is cut in half from when it came out too, down to ~$1400!
I was questioning whether he really needed the dual 8800gtx's, but if he's running that kind of resolution then.... I think that's a bare minimum for gaming.
I have tha Apple 30" and see signature sor system, and my game's run nice at 2560c1600 with a 8800GTX, dont need SLI yet
I play WoW, BetaField2, HalfLife2 all at native resolution with 4xAA/16xAF and it is smoothHows the ghosting on it? Be honest. I have a dell monitor for another computer I have and it has 16ms response. The ghosting is present in fast action games like Counter Strike, BF2142 etc. So honestly how is it on a screen with 12ms? Also alot of games don't support a crazy resolution like that. So it becomes a task every time you want to play a new game not to mention thats like sitting in front of the TV.
Those aren't really demanding games. You'd probably need SLI for Oblivion at that res.I have tha Apple 30" and see signature sor system, and my game's run nice at 2560c1600 with a 8800GTX, dont need SLI yet
what about these cases?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133171
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119103
i have a benq 20.1" widescreen 1680x1050 and i never notice ghosting, only time i do is when i throw my gun in the air
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133171
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119103
i have a benq 20.1" widescreen 1680x1050 and i never notice ghosting, only time i do is when i throw my gun in the air
Lmao @ the cooler master stacker being "sli ready."
Those are the 2 new catch phrases, "vista ready" and "sli ready."
I think I saw "sli ready" cable ties somewhere
Yeah, and future proofing is a main concern on this, so that power is gonna be necessary for that resolution when the dx10 games come out.
Lmao @ the cooler master stacker being "sli ready."
Those are the 2 new catch phrases, "vista ready" and "sli ready."
I think I saw "sli ready" cable ties somewhere
hey why not, people like the OP fall for it
I need to know how to uninstall my GPU's drivers completly and install the newest drivers. Also i need to know how to unlock the BIOS overclocking settings on this Dell Gen 2 so i can overclock the Processor. Also on my other computer i need to know the same thing and the motherboard on that one is by Asus P4B266-LM and the buss type is Intel GTL+. Where would you go to get updates for the BIOS and chipsets? What software would you people recommend to overclock CPU's and GPU's?
Actually the best performance on the market (at shipped clock speeds) is this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150214
630/2000 vs 626/2000, comes with a free headset, costs $10 less at newegg, and it has a far better customer review average as well. (5 star vs. 4 star for the eVGA).
Yes the warranty isn't quite as good, but it does last as long as the card does, not matter who owns it once it's been registered (follow up owners have to re-register). Also XFX doesn't have the 30 day registration restrictions as far as I can tell. With eVGA if you forget to register in 30 days you get a limited 1 year warranty instead of the good warranty.
Eh... I'd still stick with the evga. $10 and 4 mhz isn't enough to justify losing the stepup program (9 series might come out soon) and the best tech support around IMO.
I would have:
37in Westinghouse [or a bigger if you want a larger e-penis]
2x8800 gtx's in sli
2gb Corsair [or 4gb if you have the right os]
Quad core conroe....oc'd, of course
3x750gb Seagates for music/movies/porn/docs
2x150gb Raptors for games and OS
2 optical drives....probably some plextors
1 KW PC P&C PSU
Stacker 830 with lots of led fans and cathodes....blue, of course
The best water cooling system
37in Westinghouse [or a bigger if you want a larger e-penis]
2x8800 gtx's in sli
2gb Corsair [or 4gb if you have the right os]
Quad core conroe....oc'd, of course
3x750gb Seagates for music/movies/porn/docs
2x150gb Raptors for games and OS
2 optical drives....probably some plextors
1 KW PC P&C PSU
Stacker 830 with lots of led fans and cathodes....blue, of course
The best water cooling system
Scotty_SFF
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Why are you going with 10k raptors if he wants the best why not 15k drives
EDIT: WTF NEwegg only have the SCSI ones, pah i thought the US was ahead for electronics... a SATA 15k drive Seagate 15k
EDIT: WTF NEwegg only have the SCSI ones, pah i thought the US was ahead for electronics... a SATA 15k drive Seagate 15k
If future proofing is a concern which is a silly idea anway's in the eXtreme Gamer merket, I mean there is always something faster and better coming out right after ya build your brand new system, giving ya like maybe 3month's tops to have the top dog computer.
But the new ATI video card due out very soon is the one to wait for. No way will AMD let ATI make a slower card than the 8800GTX, and now it being delayed from it's orginal January launch mean's FOR SURE it will have to wipe the floor with the 8800, so I bet the R600 will be screaming fast, it has to be competitive, so I say wait for that baby, with 1gb memory and 512bit memory bus, this thing will be amazing
I hear from reliable source to expect 25-30% at bare minimum against the 8800GTX.Wouldnt ya hate to build this new system and spend $5k+ to find out one month later a new AMD/ATI single card is as fast as two 8800GTS sli. The 8900Ultra is still a little ways off too, I heard it should be out around May/June, but R600 end of Feb or early March, I know ya can play the waiting game forever, but one month is not too bad to wait for the R600
Strange how that drives latency is still slower then the raptors. I'd call it a waste of money.
If future proofing is a concern which is a silly idea anway's in the eXtreme Gamer merket, I mean there is always something faster and better coming out right after ya build your brand new system, giving ya like maybe 3month's tops to have the top dog computer.
But the new ATI video card due out very soon is the one to wait for. No way will AMD let ATI make a slower card than the 8800GTX, and now it being delayed from it's orginal January launch mean's FOR SURE it will have to wipe the floor with the 8800, so I bet the R600 will be screaming fast, it has to be competitive, so I say wait for that baby, with 1gb memory and 512bit memory bus, this thing will be amazing
Wouldnt ya hate to build this new system and spend $5k+ to find out one month later a new AMD/ATI single card is as fast as two 8800GTS sli. The 8900Ultra is still a little ways off too, I heard it should be out around May/June, but R600 end of Feb or early March, I know ya can play the waiting game forever, but one month is not too bad to wait for the R600
Yeah, we know we know. bla bla bla always something faster blah blah.
You realize you just contradicted yourself, right? First you argued for just buying now since theres always something faster, then you advocated waiting for the R600.
Anyway yes ur right, it is smarter to wait a month for the R600, we know, every freakin thread is about this. But unfortunately, It's not out yet so we can't build a computer with it. You can only build a computer with parts that exist.
Well waiting for the R600 is not too long, I mean he is still planning his purchase and not 100% ready to order yet, and the R600 was due on last Monday the 22nd originally, but should be out very soon, it is not like waiting for the 8900Ultra due in May
Lol no I didn't think you were, I was just laughing at how irrelevant it is that the case says that.
MrWizard6600
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But the new ATI video card due out very soon is the one to wait for. No way will AMD let ATI make a slower card than the 8800GTX, and now it being delayed from it's orginal January launch mean's FOR SURE it will have to wipe the floor with the 8800, so I bet the R600 will be screaming fast, it has to be competitive, so I say wait for that baby, with 1gb memory and 512bit memory bus, this thing will be amazing
I DEMAND to see this "reliable source".
Im not saying your lieing, but thats one helluva statement. I would really^99 like to see where you got this from.
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24 inch acer monitor 700 bucks
conroe e6700 e
4 gigs ram
asus p5 mboard
dual 8800gtx
thermaltake armour case
1 kilowatt psu
done
conroe e6700 e
4 gigs ram
asus p5 mboard
dual 8800gtx
thermaltake armour case
1 kilowatt psu
done
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