So...wuts the latest word on 30incher release dates???

canislupy said:
If the manufacturer includes an internal scaler, and supports specific resolutions to be scaled internally, then the graphics card will know about it and not scale if the resolution selected matches a supported resolution. I know the HP does not have an internal scaler, but I am not familiar with the Dell, so I can only assume that reports of it supporting more resolutions might indicate it does have a scaler.
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Huge if. The reverse is also true, if the video card is smart enough and it sees an EDID of 2560x1600 and 1280x800 only, but is asked to feed another resolution then the card will automatically scale. The "automagic" aspect of this, combined with people assuming all LCDs have scalers, results in mistaken reports of monitor scaling - even earlier on the LP3065. The Nvidia scaling feature is nice because it is abundantly clear who's doing the scaling.

Take a look at the 3007 thread for confirmation that it doesn't scale. Here's one post: http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1030226667&postcount=1558 .

If any of these 30 inchers had a scaler that feature alone would make it the winner. Even just delivering 1280x720 support, which wouldn't require a very complicated ASIC would be huge. Using sources that can feed 720p or 1080p over HDMI would really make these much more useful. It's just not possible right now on any of these 30" monitors. The one vendor who tried, BenQ, evidently failed spectacularly in the end by canceling the product.
 
Finally got it up and running today Christmas eve. :)
I had to work on cleaning my room first then work on the pc to install the video card and replacement hard drive. Then, I had to try to install this monitor arm that I think is not working properly (arm won't adjust).
Then, I had to work on setting up the monitor itself.....*phew*.
Anyways, when I finally got to open the monitor box I tore open the tape (cut myself with scissors) and stopped for a moment......took a deep breath....then proceeded to open it up and lift it out of the box.............
I then exclaimed........."HOLY FRACK THIS THING IS HUGE!!!!!" :eek: :eek:

And its still hasn't worn off...I mean omg its huge! And even though the monitor arm is hard to adjust and might have to be replaced I was however able to set it up over my bed just like I imagined. LOL I just gotta take a pic to show you how ridiculous my setup is! I'll take a few pics tommorow.

p.s. Hey....ok so its going to take a while to get used to only seeing the monitor at 60hz. Everything is just a touch blurry when it comes to text. What are the ways to adjust the monitor besides the nvidia control panel? Lemme know?
 
StalkerZER0 said:
Finally got it up and running today Christmas eve. :)
I had to work on cleaning my room first then work on the pc to install the video card and replacement hard drive. Then, I had to try to install this monitor arm that I think is not working properly (arm won't adjust).
Then, I had to work on setting up the monitor itself.....*phew*.
Anyways, when I finally got to open the monitor box I tore open the tape (cut myself with scissors) and stopped for a moment......took a deep breath....then proceeded to open it up and lift it out of the box.............
I then exclaimed........."HOLY FRACK THIS THING IS HUGE!!!!!" :eek: :eek:

And its still hasn't worn off...I mean omg its huge! And even though the monitor arm is hard to adjust and might have to be replaced I was however able to set it up over my bed just like I imagined. LOL I just gotta take a pic to show you how ridiculous my setup is! I'll take a few pics tommorow.

p.s. Hey....ok so its going to take a while to get used to only seeing the monitor at 60hz. Everything is just a touch blurry when it comes to text. What are the ways to adjust the monitor besides the nvidia control panel? Lemme know?
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It takes awhile to get used to a monitor that large.
 
StalkerZER0 said:
p.s. Hey....ok so its going to take a while to get used to only seeing the monitor at 60hz. Everything is just a touch blurry when it comes to text. What are the ways to adjust the monitor besides the nvidia control panel? Lemme know?
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No matter the refresh rate of the monitor, text on a digital monitor (with digital input) is as clear as it is going to get, with the exception of turning on clear type... that enables subpixel rendering of the text.. which in essence turns a 4MP monitor to a somewhat 12MP monitor (2560x1600).

b.t.w. lcd dont refresh but shifts subpixel shades in response to signal/colour change.
 
Well I ran the nvidia app so I can do some color optimizations N whatnot. And now its a little better.
Its the first night and as Dan says I guess it will take a little getting used to.
Now that I own one I'm looking for dead pixels and I can't really find any. The picture is pretty good except in the lower right hand corner there seems to be a little bit of.....I dunno what you call it...backlight bleed? Its where the picture looks slightly brighter than it should be. Its only evident in the lower right hand corner and slightly in the lower left hand corner. And its quite visible when viewing black or dark pictures. If this is within norms then I'll live with it. But if not can one of you guys let me know?
Its my first ownership of an LCD by the way. Helluva way to enter the LCD members club ey? :D

EDIT: Ya know what....it might be the viewing angle I dunno. Can one of you chime in?
Thanks.
 
you must be the only member who named a LCD Nancy. :D What happens if you view X-rated pictures on the internet, would Nancy get mad?

And congrats on final making the decision after all these months.
 
Happy Hopping said:
you must be the only member who named a LCD Nancy. :D What happens if you view X-rated pictures on the internet, would Nancy get mad?

And congrats on final making the decision after all these months.
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erm......no comment! :D

But what about this backlight bleed thing? Is it normal for the image to be slightly faded in the corners of an lcd of this size?
 
Bleed is a common issue with LCD's, and I can't speak for your set without seeing it, but mine has no bleed even though I thought it might at first. Because the screen is so large, I see light at the edge of the screen reflecting background light, but when I shift my PoV to that spot, I don't see any increase in light. With black background and brightness all the way down, my screen seems uniform. Turned off all the lights in the room at night and got same results. Seems as though the glass causes off angle viewing to be brighter, or more washed out. Might just be seeing this effect.

And I certainly do not see any bleed with this desktop pic: http://www.wallpaperofthestars.com/show_celebrity_wallpaper.asp?wpid=381&s=11&c=Elisha_Cuthbert :D
 
canislupy said:
Bleed is a common issue with LCD's, and I can't speak for your set without seeing it, but mine has no bleed even though I thought it might at first. Because the screen is so large, I see light at the edge of the screen reflecting background light, but when I shift my PoV to that spot, I don't see any increase in light. With black background and brightness all the way down, my screen seems uniform. Turned off all the lights in the room at night and got same results. Seems as though the glass causes off angle viewing to be brighter, or more washed out. Might just be seeing this effect.

And I certainly do not see any bleed with this desktop pic: http://www.wallpaperofthestars.com/show_celebrity_wallpaper.asp?wpid=381&s=11&c=Elisha_Cuthbert :D
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Ya I think I'm going to have to agree with you on that assessment. As for the wallpaper.............thanks. :D
 
StalkerZER0 said:
But what about this backlight bleed thing? Is it normal for the image to be slightly faded in the corners of an lcd of this size?
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A good LCD is not supposed to bleed backlight. There is 2 things you can do:

1) exchange it via your 30 days satisfaction guarantee, it's only the 1st screen, and you'll be using it for a long time, years, so I would exchange it

2) there is a thread in this forum to open the panel and put black tape along the edge, but it's a very involved operation, if you are not comfy of doing it, don't do it.
 
StalkerZER0 said:
erm......no comment! :D

But what about this backlight bleed thing? Is it normal for the image to be slightly faded in the corners of an lcd of this size?
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Move your point of view to the edge of the LCD screen and see if it's faded. I know that if I am sitting centered, and not far enough back, it looks like the corners are faded. If I move back, or if I adjust my viewing angle, I can see the corners clearly. The LCD is just so big that you can actually be out of the optimal viewing angle for outer edges of the panel.
 
StalkerZER0 said:
p.s. Hey....ok so its going to take a while to get used to only seeing the monitor at 60hz. Everything is just a touch blurry when it comes to text. What are the ways to adjust the monitor besides the nvidia control panel? Lemme know?
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Unlike CRTs who need their phosphors constantly re-energized, LCD pixels stay lit continuously. The response time we worry about in games is what makes LCDs superior for static text.

To my eye text on the LP3065 is not blurry at all. It's crystal clear just like every other LCD running at native resolution, there's just more pixels. Though obvious, make 100% sure that you have a dual link DVI cable and 2560x1600 set.

You also should try turning the brightness all the way down, i.e. the minus button on the bottom-right of the monitor. This reduces the backlight level; the default max brightness was blinding to me. Adjust it all the way down without looking, walk away for a bit, then come back. If you watch the brightness going down you'll perceive the resulting picture as too dim since your pupils are adjusted to the brighter image. In my usage (mostly staring at text writing code) the lowest backlight is still more than bright enough even with full sunlight coming in from my side.
 
Happy Hopping said:
A good LCD is not supposed to bleed backlight. There is 2 things you can do:

1) exchange it via your 30 days satisfaction guarantee, it's only the 1st screen, and you'll be using it for a long time, years, so I would exchange it

2) there is a thread in this forum to open the panel and put black tape along the edge, but it's a very involved operation, if you are not comfy of doing it, don't do it.
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I'm going to have to agree with canislupy and Dan_D on this. I do believe its the point of view thing. Please realize at this moment the monitor is floating......yes floating :D not but 2 feet from my face. lol
When I stare directly at the corners I can see it at its correct colors. I think the point of view is the key.
 
Ok, look dang nabbit so I'm stubborn allright??? I have a giant 30 inch monitor before me with a 8800gtx that can support hdtv signals. And I have directtv.
Is there any combination of software and or hardware that would enable me to connect all three? :confused:
 
StalkerZER0 said:
Ok, look dang nabbit so I'm stubborn allright??? I have a giant 30 inch monitor before me with a 8800gtx that can support hdtv signals. And I have directtv.
Is there any combination of software and or hardware that would enable me to connect all three? :confused:
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If you had cable or if you want to receive over the air HDTV you can use this very cool dualtuner that streams HDTV over your network. Look at the link for a review http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=633&Itemid=152

I have the HP LP3065 and the evga 8800GTX and the picture on hdtv is superb
 
konst said:
If you had cable or if you want to receive over the air HDTV you can use this very cool dualtuner that streams HDTV over your network. Look at the link for a review http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=633&Itemid=152

I have the HP LP3065 and the evga 8800GTX and the picture on hdtv is superb
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Ok, but there isn't a way to connect directtv either to the lp3065 or the 8800gtx?
Note that there are multiple directtv receiver boxes from the old standard to the one with the dvr built in to the newer hd model with dvr built in.
 
Regardless.....lol I'm having fun with the new monitor! :D
Gawd I feel so materialistic but I can't help it I'm really enjoying myself and my purchases have really helped me forget about my dumb job at least for a few days.
I sware I won't forget to take the pics of the setup.......the pics are coming....really! :p
 
StalkerZER0 said:
Regardless.....lol I'm having fun with the new monitor! :D
Gawd I feel so materialistic but I can't help it I'm really enjoying myself and my purchases have really helped me forget about my dumb job at least for a few days.
I sware I won't forget to take the pics of the setup.......the pics are coming....really! :p
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Do you have any stuck pixels? There's 1 bright pixel on mine in the lower right just above the task bar in winxp
 
konst said:
Do you have any stuck pixels? There's 1 bright pixel on mine in the lower right just above the task bar in winxp
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I will look in that area tonight but so far there I don't see any dead or stuck pixels. :)
Oh, and you just HAVE TO play HL2 at 2560x1600......was having fun with deathmatch yesterday. :D
 
Does anyone in New York know of a store where I can pick up one of those speaker bar attachments for the lp3065? Or is there any other alternatives from 3rd parties I can attach to the monitor? :confused:
 
StalkerZER0 said:
I will look in that area tonight but so far there I don't see any dead or stuck pixels. :)
Oh, and you just HAVE TO play HL2 at 2560x1600......was having fun with deathmatch yesterday. :D
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That does in fact kick a lot of ass. I played all the way through Half Life 2 Episode One on my monitor at 2560x1600 and it looked fantastic and ran smoother than my old machine could run games at 1280x1024.
 
Dan_D said:
That does in fact kick a lot of ass. I played all the way through Half Life 2 Episode One on my monitor at 2560x1600 and it looked fantastic and ran smoother than my old machine could run games at 1280x1024.
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What amazed me was that I had most of the eye candy turned on still. I have yet however to determine what is my upper eye candy limit for FEAR. I suspect I will be turning more eye candy off on that game.
America's Army however only goes up to 1920x1200 and guess what?......the monitor shows that resolution fine. :cool:

Hey Dan, please contribute to the seperate accessories thread I started....or should we just keep it all here?
 
StalkerZER0 said:
What amazed me was that I had most of the eye candy turned on still. I have yet however to determine what is my upper eye candy limit for FEAR. I suspect I will be turning more eye candy off on that game.
America's Army however only goes up to 1920x1200 and guess what?......the monitor shows that resolution fine. :cool:

Hey Dan, please contribute to the seperate accessories thread I started....or should we just keep it all here?
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I'd keep the accessories thread seperate. Sadly I have little to contribute to the other thread.
 
Well I finally ordered my HP-LP3065 today! It took me sometime to find a good deal but i got it at the lowest price possible in Greece. 1570 Euros!


The downside is that I will get it in a month since it is backordered and none had them in stock anyway.

I will share my views when I get it. I am waiting for ABIT to release their 680i M/B anyway so I can use my second 8800GTX.
 
StalkerZER0 said:
Ok, but there isn't a way to connect directtv either to the lp3065 or the 8800gtx?
Note that there are multiple directtv receiver boxes from the old standard to the one with the dvr built in to the newer hd model with dvr built in.
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Just happened on something that should do HD input to the LP3065, the Gefen VGA->DVI scaler. It specifically mentions an output resolution of "1280x800 (30" DVI Single Link)".

You then need do get component to VGA. The Gefen scaler says it supports YPrPb input, so one of the el-cheapo component to VGA cables like
this will probably work. If not a slightly more expensive component to VGA transcoder like this would be needed.

The complete path is component->VGA->DVI which will scale 480p, 720p or 1080i to 1280x800. The Gefen page has the most horrible asterisk placement ever, but it you read below the asterisks you see that it does support 1080i->1280x800, it just won't convert 1080i and output greater than 1280x1024.

All for a total of $200 according to froogle plus the cost fo the vga to compent cable or transcoder. Quality of this conversion is a question mark, but Gefen in general doesn't seem to turn out crap.

I don't really need HD input into an LCD monitor. So the question is, who will try this out?
 
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Has Samsung heard of a continent called North America? You think? Because we have a LCD market here. And my guess is, even via sea mail, if they were to mail that 30" LCD over here from the time they start selling it in South Korea, it would be here by now.

At the moment in time, either that ship got lost and stranded in an unknown island, doing a sequel to Cast Away, or it got chew up in the Bermuda Triangle.
 
Is there a big difference in the Dell 30"WFP and the WFP -HC
and is it worth the extra $200?
 
Well, the new dell 30" HC is supposed to have the new LG panel the same as the one in my hp lp3065. I can tell you at least that my monitor has a superior image quality when compared to the regular dell 30".
92% color gamut and such. I would spend the extra $200 bucks and get either the hp or the newer dell 30".
 
StalkerZER0 said:
Well, the new dell 30" HC is supposed to have the new LG panel the same as the one in my hp lp3065. I can tell you at least that my monitor has a superior image quality when compared to the regular dell 30".
92% color gamut and such. I would spend the extra $200 bucks and get either the hp or the newer dell 30".
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Great. When the time comes, I will get the New Dell 30" or the HP 30" but
Is there any big difference between 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz and 2560 x 1600 at 60 Hz
 
VE2007 said:
Great. When the time comes, I will get the New Dell 30" or the HP 30" but
Is there any big difference between 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz and 2560 x 1600 at 60 Hz
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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahhahaahahahaha

*continues to bask in the glory of 2560x1600* :cool: :D
 
Gah, I'm still so pissed that BenQ cancelled their 30 incher. Now I have to get their 24" model.
 
I would if it supported scaling and had hdmi + component, but sadly it doesn't.
 
Some guy posted in this thread earlier that he emailed BenQ about it and they responded saying that the product was canceled.
 
sorry, i havnt bothered to read all of the pages of this thread.

but it would seem to me, HP would showcase this monitor at ces? no?

I cant even find the monitor section on the HP site. can someone link me?
 
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