7900 GT SLI beats 8800 GTS

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Darknyt

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Well, I'm not too excited to see that my old 7900 GT SLI setup beat my new 8800 GTS by a healthy 10 fps in the FEAR benchmark.

1680x1050, all settings max, 4xAA/16xAF

73 fps - 7900 GT SLI
63 fps - 8800 GTS

I suppose that if I had a higher res it might have done better, but this is just dissapointing.

Any suggestions for erasing the gap?
 
Darknyt said:
Well, I'm not too excited to see that my old 7900 GT SLI setup beat my new 8800 GTS by a healthy 10 fps in the FEAR benchmark.

1680x1050, all settings max, 4xAA/16xAF

73 fps - 7900 GT SLI
63 fps - 8800 GTS

I suppose that if I had a higher res it might have done better, but this is just dissapointing.

Any suggestions for erasing the gap?
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You have to remember than the 8800GTS is only slightly faster than the X1950XTXs and the 7900GT SLI is faster than the X1950XTX alone so your results are probably fine.
 
You replaced an SLI setup with a single card only one generation newer... why? What did you expect? Technology advances fast, but not that fast.
 
arthur_tuxedo said:
You replaced an SLI setup with a single card only one generation newer... why? What did you expect? Technology advances fast, but not that fast.
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Well, I actually asked this question before I made the jump and was almost uniformly told the 8800 GTS would be better if only slightly. The consensus was far from the fact that it would actually be worse.

Plus, I really switched over because I sold my two 7900 GT's and actually made money going to the GTS. So I figured that I didn't have much to lose, esp with DX10 around the corner. I figured I had better get out while I could make a profit.

Perhaps the GTS will show forth in more demanding games like Oblivion.
 
What are you clocking the 8800GTS at?

I know that at 625/1000 (what I run at) it handily defeats 7900GT SLI.

Also, drivers?
 
Darknyt said:
Well, I actually asked this question before I made the jump and was almost uniformly told the 8800 GTS would be better if only slightly. The consensus was far from the fact that it would actually be worse.

Plus, I really switched over because I sold my two 7900 GT's and actually made money going to the GTS. So I figured that I didn't have much to lose, esp with DX10 around the corner. I figured I had better get out while I could make a profit.

Perhaps the GTS will show forth in more demanding games like Oblivion.
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Well the GTS will definately beat your old 7900 gt's in oblivion if thats any consolation.
 
Darknyt said:
Well, I actually asked this question before I made the jump and was almost uniformly told the 8800 GTS would be better if only slightly. The consensus was far from the fact that it would actually be worse.

Plus, I really switched over because I sold my two 7900 GT's and actually made money going to the GTS. So I figured that I didn't have much to lose, esp with DX10 around the corner. I figured I had better get out while I could make a profit.

Perhaps the GTS will show forth in more demanding games like Oblivion.
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HAHA you got what you asked for if you ask me.

Maybe it's about time that you give your e-penis a break, ehh?
 
BurntToast said:
HAHA you got what you asked for if you ask me.

Maybe it's about time that you give your e-penis a break, ehh?
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Perhaps you should more carefully read my post before posting your inane drivel. It wasn't about e-penis. It was a calculated move to get the most money out of my old cards while they still commanded somewhat of a premium and move over to DX10.

I wasn't thinking I was going to rape my 7900 GT's, I was just trying to make sure it wasn't a downgrade.

Just because your card is a grandpa doesn't mean everyone else is going bananas.
Pabster said:
What are you clocking the 8800GTS at?

I know that at 625/1000 (what I run at) it handily defeats 7900GT SLI.

Also, drivers?
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Stock speeds. Thanks for the idea, though - and I was wondering about drivers. I guess I should have specified that in the first post but it was on my mental list of things to try.

Faction said:
if its an evga GTS, just step up to the GTX...
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It is EVGA, but I decided against the GTX for both cost and the size. I would probably have to get a new case or at least get rid of a hard drive to make it fit. I didn't think it was worth the hassle/cost.
Plus I was thinking that at my resolution and processor I would bottleneck it.

XboxodX said:
Well, now that you have a GTS, you might want to update your sig.
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Had this puppy in less than 1/2 hour when I first posted this thread.
 
i wouldnt worry about it. i did the same thing as you, but i made a stop with the 7900 gto first, tho. check this page
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=608&model2=520&chart=231

you will see that in every benchmark except 3dmark2006, the gts beats 7900gt sli. in titan quest, highest res the gts beats everything, cf, gtx, etc. so use this page to compare your gts to other gpu's in real life benchmarks, high res, and it does great. i dont know about you, but thats how i use mine - in games, high res/high quality.
 
Just wait for some new, special 8800 series drivers to come out. *Hopefully* there will be quite an improvement with them from past driver experiences.
 
MYSTic Jedi said:
Just wait for some new, special 8800 series drivers to come out. *Hopefully* there will be quite an improvement with them from past driver experiences.
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That's what I'm hoping may happen . . .
 
Why don't you overclock the 8800 GTS? That should improve things considerably!
 
Zinn said:
Why don't you overclock the 8800 GTS? That should improve things considerably!
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I'm not opposed - what would you suggest with stock cooling?
 
If you have a GTS, its just begging to be overclocked. I have mine now at 600/950 and it flys. When I overclocked my card I went from mid 7000s to 8010 in 3dmarks 06. Big jump and that was also clocking the memory 50Mhz less than what I have now.

Overclock and try the benchies again.
 
well i had fun with a GTS a day ago, on stock cooling i got it up to 600/960, the card wasn't that much hotter and i didn't feel like stress testing and maxing it out

things to consider (tho already said):

drivers - new, need to come with better support (duh :D )
OC'ing - these puppies don't get that hot under the OC'ing, fun times to be had
case cooling - wow this thing shot up the case i put it in very fast, had to install another rear 120 to help out
although FEAR is demanding, I would say its not really stressing the card out much at all, since you are seeing more then enjoying frame rates on FEAR as is, try upping the AA (this thing does support 16xAA now) see how it likes it, run the quake1 demo test and see if it can do it in .01 seconds :D
 
arthur_tuxedo said:
You replaced an SLI setup with a single card only one generation newer... why? What did you expect? Technology advances fast, but not that fast.
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nono, i can assure you, an 8800GTS has the power to mop the floor with a 7900GT SLI setup.

Under any cercumstances should that game suddenly demand a vast ammount more pixel processing horsepower then shader processing horsepower, Giga-thread on an 8800GTS can make the adjustment instantly, on a 7900GT SLI setup, it has to be sent to the corresponding pipe section. SP is soo much better then pipes its not even funny.

My only explanation for your lack of FPS is drivers. the 8800GTS and GTX are new, there drivers are in their infant stages. give it a while, im betting with better forceware, you can squeeze that extra FPS outta your card. on top of that, once Ntune lets you overclock the individual SPs, youll get that 10fps in a heart beat.

plus the E-penis on an 8800GTS setup > E-penis on a 7900GT SLi setup.
 
So far I think that nTune is the only option. I have heard of a few people getting coolbits to work.
 
Anyone tried AtiTool on these 8800 cards? Works well on the 7900gt I have.
 
Thanks for all the replies and positive feedback. I know I did the lazy thing and just benched one game and now the sky is falling.

Hopefully support for this card will shake out better in the coming weeks and I can get this puppy to stretch it's legs.

I'll look into overclocking it as well.
 
Don't forget that AF on the 8 Series is a far higher quality then any other card which alone makes it worth the upgrade.
 
So I bumped up to 600/950 and it made up the fps in FEAR. Now at 75.

Need to test that to make sure it's stable though.
 
Darknyt said:
So I bumped up to 600/950 and it made up the fps in FEAR. Now at 75.

Need to test that to make sure it's stable though.
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wow... that's quite an increase.

i'm on the fence about getting this card over a 8800 GTX... but with gains like that, it might be worth the risk.

hmmm...
 
Well, I can't say I am too upset about this, as I just stuck a second 7900GT in my machine :D I was actually considering buying a GTS, but I couldn't afford it. Good to know the second 7900GT will do me almost as right.
 
Zinn said:
wow... that's quite an increase.

i'm on the fence about getting this card over a 8800 GTX... but with gains like that, it might be worth the risk.

hmmm...
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I have the same clock speed and I've got the feeling that my card hasn't even hit the limit of what it can do. I just get afriad to push it because it already does everything I ask it to. If you find the thread about the GTS overclocks you can see some people who have gotten monster gains out this card. I believe I remember some one clocking at 700/1100 or some rediculous number like that.
 
again, core clock is really, really wierd on these cards.

on the 7 series, overclocking the core ment each pipe overclocked like that. a G71 or G70, with 24 pipes, would clock the pipes @ 450 or 650 or w/e, and when you overclocked, each pipe would increase its clocks. Thus core performance increased.

what i dont understand is, NV is telling us that the SPs are clocked at a seperate 1.35GHz. that means the actual Vertex, Shader, and pixel processers are clocked at 1.35GHz. So what is core clock speed? everything else? everything else is pretty small, just some caches, and the Roster units. I totally dont understand what pumping more MHz out of the core on a G80 does... well, of course, other then up your FPS. So it must be doing something useful.
 
vanilla_guerilla said:
i wouldnt worry about it. i did the same thing as you, but i made a stop with the 7900 gto first, tho. check this page
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=608&model2=520&chart=231

you will see that in every benchmark except 3dmark2006, the gts beats 7900gt sli. in titan quest, highest res the gts beats everything, cf, gtx, etc. so use this page to compare your gts to other gpu's in real life benchmarks, high res, and it does great. i dont know about you, but thats how i use mine - in games, high res/high quality.
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hes right. the actual power of the card lies in what you use it for. people make sport out of benching, (hah, get it, like bench pressing?!?! hahahahaha)

But what you should look at is if it satisfies your needs. I have a 8800GTX simply becasuse i plan on getting a larger monitor, and it handled the larger reses better. And i can sort of afford it.
 
malicious said:
so go 8800 sli :D
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You know it makes sense.

Another thing remember the card you are using games havent even hit the shops yet , so dont worry plenty graphic power left in that yet , it just needs to be used by games yet.
 
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