[Burning Hot??] 22" DVI, HDCP LCD monitor $299.00 A/R

After reading abit into that manual I did find out it does tilt back not foward. It's just really stiff, and my first attempt had my worried for a second. It's kinda like seeting a lga775 processor the first time, you really dont know how hard you can push before it breaks. :D
 
Standard shipping is via UPS Ground. The estimated delivery time will be approximately 15 - 20 business days from the time of order.
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Is this really true? That about kills the deal for me right there. Can it at least be upgraded ?
 
BronxBartoni said:
Standard shipping is via UPS Ground. The estimated delivery time will be approximately 15 - 20 business days from the time of order.
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Is this really true? That about kills the deal for me right there. Can it at least be upgraded ?
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I am pretty sure they mean from time you place you order till it arrives at your door step. Newegg they are definately not when it comes to getting an order out the same or next day. But you gotta love being able to return the item to your nearest Costco if not sattisfied for a full refund excludeing Taxes.
 
v0idm33h:
Does this mon have a glossy screen like it's 20 inch brother?
 
I really wished I hadnt picked up the Westinghouse 22" from bestbuy so quick when these 22 inchers first started to come out. I really want this sceptre!
 
i just picked upa viewsonic 22" from costco today. it's not as ergonomically design pleasing as the sceptre looks. they just didnt have any at all in the store so i sprung for this thing instead. need one now since i sold my samsung 19". i'll probably try to get the sceptre once i have the cash or i could just return this one, and wait for it to come in. ;p i like it, but i'm getting a little bit dissapointed because i dont have the sceptre. i envy you people that have one. :D
 
dt34 said:
its a matte screen
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Thanks, I ordered the 20 in glossy for $230 instead. Gonna compare it to a Dell 2007WFP and a Samsung 205bw.
 
v0idm33h said:
After reading abit into that manual I did find out it does tilt back not foward. It's just really stiff, and my first attempt had my worried for a second. It's kinda like seeting a lga775 processor the first time, you really dont know how hard you can push before it breaks. :D
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Other similarly designed scetre models, like the 20.1", have 10 degrees of backwards tilt.
 
WOO!!!! :D

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More pics coming soon.
 
I am stoked! No dead pixels and the image is amazing. This thing is HUGE!

If you got in on it, pat yourself on the back. I have to leave for dinner at a friend's but I'll post the images later on tonight.
 
I will try to get some pic up later.
First impressions:

It is that it is very bright, Very sharp text.

Stand only goes from straight, and tips back. You cant tip it forward =( Viewsonic will tip forward (More ergonomic to look up at monitor i believe)

I am having a hard time getting the colors looking good. Out of the box the viewsonic looks a lot better as far as color accuracy... I may have to see if I can find my avia dvd and try to tune the colors....

Right now, i am liking the viewsonic more than the sceptre.... Will post back if i can get these colors better tuned.
 
Where did you get that brightness adjuster slide? Is that in the Nokia test suite?
 
Radagast~mod said:
(More ergonomic to look up at monitor i believe)
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Every ergonomic study says otherwise. The top of the monitor should be at least 1 inch below your eyeline. Of course you may be fine with it tipped forward, but it's definitely not something other people should be doing.
 
thewhiteguy said:
Every ergonomic study says otherwise. The top of the monitor should be at least 1 inch below your eyeline. Of course you may be fine with it tipped forward, but it's definitely not something other people should be doing.
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My bad, I remembered it backwards, heh
 
OK, the Sceptre arrived late yesterday...and is gone already, back to Costco:

* Tons of light bleeding around all edges, but especially at top and bottom. Changing the angle did nothing;

* Picture just seemed kind of grainy at native res, through DVI. A lot more ghosting playing Day of Defeat:Source and Half-Life 2 than I would have thought;

* Decided to see what it looked like through VGA...ugh, what a mess. Blurry and at the default brightness level it looked like a TV getting really bad reception, ala a snowstorm. I'd say the analog circuitry was shot. Tried three different cables and connected it to two different PC's with the same unacceptable results.

So, took it back to Costco and got a Viewsonic 22" instead. The Viewsonic had one stuck pixel that was fixed with some light pressure, and *much* better picture in both DVI and VGA. Less ghosting, too, and much less light bleeding.

Also, the Sceptre just seemed really cheap in materials and finish. The Viewsonic comes across as a much higher quality monitor, for maybe $25 or $50 more. Don't know if I just got stuck with a bad Sceptre or what, but I certainly wasn't impressed.
 
WhataMack said:
The Viewsonic comes across as a much higher quality monitor, for maybe $25 or $50 more.
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Should be cheaper if anything considering you have to have the Sceptre shipped and they're the same price.
 
Thanks for the posts. Should look good on my Xbox 360. Getting tired of playing games on a 50" screen, makes me nauseous. It will be interesting to hook up to my HD-A1 as well.
 
ummm yah... the viewsonic i got was $299. they didnt apply the coupon for you. it's $349 - $50 coupon. i had to ask them to give me one.
i was really considering sending this monitor back for the sceptre because it has all that hdmi connector stuff, but if what you say about the ghosting, static, and bleeding light is true, then i probably won't do it. a couple more inputs i might never use is not worth a crappy lcd screen. my viewsonic has some lighter area's on top and bottom, but it's not noticeable unless you have the whole screen blacked out. i got lucky... no dead pixels. at least none that i've found yet. crisp clear pictures, and counterstrike source never looked so good... :D
 
Hello, I placed an order for the sceptre today and was looking for info when I ran across this cool forum.

I have a question for you guys who already have one.

What is the width of the monitor?

If you could physically measure it I would appreciate it.

I know it says 21.9" on the Costco website and it gives a corresponding width in mm on the scepter web site. However, what I don't get is this. The Viewsonic according to Costco has a 20.6" width. If the Sceptre has a thinner bezel, and the two screens are the same size, how can the Sceptre be wider? Also, the Sceptre web site states that the screen is 473.76 mm wide and the bezel is .595 inches wide. Converting to inches I get 18.66"+(0.595"x2)=19.85". The reason I need to know this is because my cabinet is only 21" wide.

Thanks
 
TNT13 said:
Hello, I placed an order for the sceptre today and was looking for info when I ran across this cool forum.

I have a question for you guys who already have one.

What is the width of the monitor?

If you could physically measure it I would appreciate it.

I know it says 21.9" on the Costco website and it gives a corresponding width in mm on the scepter web site. However, what I don't get is this. The Viewsonic according to Costco has a 20.6" width. If the Sceptre has a thinner bezel, and the two screens are the same size, how can the Sceptre be wider? The reason I need to know this is because my cabinet is only 21" wide.

Thanks
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Having the Viewsonic ... the Costco specs are correct , just under 21" and does measures 20.6"
 
Thanks for the quick reply. OK, so I can go get the Viewsonic if the Sceptre ends up being too wide.
 
TNT13 said:
Thanks for the quick reply. OK, so I can go get the Viewsonic if the Sceptre ends up being too wide.
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The Viewsonic has a bigger bezel so it's wider if anything.
 
I think so too. I just want confirmation.

Also, does anyone know what the deal is with the 1080i/p support? Does it down convert to 720p? Or do you just lose 30 pixels?
 
Good question. The Sceptre X20C-Gamer has a sticker right up top that says, "1080P". I was under the impression 1080P = 1920 X 1080. The mon's only a 1680 X 1050...what gives? Is it sort of like "DirectX 9" GPU, where an Intel's compatible, but doesn't have a full feature set?

EDIT: Changed 1020P to 1080P.
 
Jodiuh said:
Good question. The Sceptre X20C-Gamer has a sticker right up top that says, "1020P". I was under the impression 1020P = 1920 X 1020. The mon's only a 1680 X 1050...what gives? Is it sort of like "DirectX 9" GPU, where an Intel's compatible, but doesn't have a full feature set?
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I have the 20.1 Sceptre, and I tested 1080p with it from my PC. It was horrible, It seemed to downconvert to some other resolution, then stretch the 16x9 image to fit the 16x10 screen. I doubt the 22" wil be much different. Also when sending a 1080p signal the menu infor says 1920x1080. I don't know what the deal is, but it looks like crap. 720p however looks better, but still stretched vertically.
 
I sent the following question to Sceptre tech support and got this answer.

Q)How does it support 1080i/1080p when it only has 1050?

A) It's scaled to the panel.

Kinda vague if you ask me.

I went and bought the Viewsonic which I am using right now. I'll compare the two and keep the better.
 
Basically it doesn't support 1080P in the way we all know it to be true. Shady, shady, shady.
 
This is a copy of what I posted in the Fat Wallet forums. I felt it appropriate to post here.

I finally got my Sceptre last week after 19 business days. That's almost a month. First of all, I want to thank all of you who have helped me out, especially Coastal Eddy. Unfortunately, there was one dead pixel which I have not been able to revive. I've been using the Sceptre since I got it and I just switched back to the ViewSonic VX2235wm which I've been using for a couple of weeks. Let me relay my experience with the two monitors.

1) Picture quality: I wasn't expecting much of a difference between the two monitors, as they supposedly use the same panels. However, I found the colors on the Sceptre to be off no matter how I adjusted it. The best way I can describe it is that the lighter colors seem washed out while the brighter colors were overly prominent. While I know this sounds like I have the brightness set too high, trust me, I did adjust the brightness levels with no results. With the ViewSonic, I occasionally experience a strange phenomenon where after I run my aquarium screen-saver, green and red dots appear in the dark regions of my desktop. However, these are NOT dead pixels nor stuck pixels. I can open the same picture in photoshop and zoom in on them and the green dots will become larger. I can only attribute this to a driver/video card problem. My video-card is starting to show it's age and this problem manifests only when I have the card set to 32 bit and disappears when I have it set to 16 bit. Otherwise, the picture quality on the ViewSonic is great. The Sceptre's PQ is just OK.

2) Back-Light Bleed: Both monitors show minor bleeding but this was not an issue for me. I think back light bleeding becomes more of an issue if you have the brightness set too high; factory settings for example. Or maybe I just got lucky. The Sceptre's was a bit worse, but no big deal.

3) Features: The obvious winner here is the Sceptre. It has the USB inputs, plus the headset and microphone plug. There seem to be more options for viewing non-native resolution content on the Sceptre as well. HDMI is a definite plus if you use the monitor for console gaming as well. I don't, so although it's always better to have the option available, this is not a big issue for me. One major issue I have with the Sceptre is that often, if I turned on my monitor after the computer, the monitor would not recognise a signal from the computer and I would have to restart. Also, if I turned the monitor off while the computer was doing maintenance for example, the monitor would not recognise a signal and I would have to reboot. No such problems with the ViewSonic. Again, this could be a video card driver issue. I currently am using an ATi All in Wonder 8500DV before anyone asks.

4) Interface: The buttons on the ViewSonic are on the front, but are difficult to press; I just use my nails. The buttons on the Sceptre are on the rear, which I don't like but I suppose one could get used to. One problem I had with the interface was that plus is on the bottom and minus on top, which is counter intuitive. I also noticed a typo on the Scepter. Instead of "Information", it says "Infomation". Could be that they couldn't fit that extra letter, but if that were the case, the should have just used "Info". No biggie. The Sceptre also has the blue screen which pops up when switching inputs, but this is not a big issue. Also if one wants to complain, the fonts on the Sceptre have a unpolished look to them as well.

5) Heat: Both units get a little warm, but I found the Scepter to throw a bit more heat.

6) Fit and Finish: The Sceptre with it's flat foil logo where you can see the irregularities of the plastic underneath scream "cheap". The quality of the plastic used is also second rate. The ViewSonic has a nice piano black finish and feels much better built. Personally I've always liked the little birds. Of course the plain bezel of the Sceptre lends itself to portrait mode use, if you have a stand like the Neo-Flex, but then again, I'm not sure how effective these TN panels are when viewed in portrait mode. The blinking blue light on the Sceptre's standby mode is in fact annoying. When reading other people's comments on this, my thought was, how annoying could a bliking light possibly be? Well quite annoying it turns out. The Viewsonic glows a steady amber which does not scream "Look at me! Look at me!"

7) Stand: Which brings me to the stand. The Stand on the ViewSonic is no award winner, but the stand on the Sceptre as mentioned by many before is downright crappy. The problem is a combination of poor materials and design. The stand is all plastic and hollow in the middle of the base, and because of the way the weight is distributed, the front end lifts off the table a bit. So, you end up with a wobbly stand. The ViewSonic at least has a steel plate in the bottom of the base giving it stability. Which brings me to the Neo-Flex Stand. A++. It is a great stand. It swivels left to right, pivots to and fro, raises up and down, and rotates for portrait mode. If you can get it for $20.99 like I did, it's an absolute steal and a must have, especially for the Sceptre. Although the Sceptre website comparison chart would indicate otherwise, I was able to attach the Neo-flex to my Viewsonic. It has the appropriate mounts in the back. The challenge is removing the stand. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I will post instructions on how to remove the ViewSonic stand. Since I had purchased the Neoflex, with thanks to the posted Staples on-line price, this was not a deciding factor for me.

8) Sound: I hooked up a cd player to both monitors, and although neither was spectacular, the ViewSonic lived up to it's name and sounded much better than the Sceptre. It had more bass and was louder as well. I don't currently use the speakers in the monitor, but I may use it as a center channel in the future, so this may come in handy.

9) Other notes: The dimensions listed for the Sceptre on their website are wrong. The Sceptre is only 19-7/8" wide and 13" in height. Also, note that the Sceptre logo is silver, not the hideous orange as appears on their website.

10) Conclusions: With the dead pixel, the Sceptre was definitely going back, but now, that I have used both monitors for a few days, I do not plan on re-ordering another Sceptre either. The picture quality and the syncing problems are unacceptable to me. I really don't need the extra ports on the monitor, and as mentioned before, do not plan on using the monitor as a TV, and therefore do not need the HDMI port. Also, I don't feel a pressing need to use the monitor in portrait mode. If, on the other hand, you plan on using the monitor not only for your computer but for console gaming or watching TV, the Sceptre might just fit your bill. The only recommendation I can make across the board is to buy these things at Costco where they will take them back no questions asked. Personally, one dead pixel is one too many for me, and it would kill me to have to live with a monitor that I can't return even though it has a couple of dead pixels. While both monitors have their merits, for my needs the Viewsonic fits the bill.
 
Damn I was ready to go with the sceptre untill I read some of you guys reviews, got me doubting myself now. :eek:
 
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