Wii over a 360?

Jap1987 said:
Question for those who have played the Wii. When playing Metroid or Red Steel was there and option to have the crosshair always in the middle and the screen moves similar to pc games?
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I believe so, at least in Prime 3. I'm sure it'll be available in all the Wii FPS games, it would be rather silly not to implement it.
 
@ Jap1987 & Duggah and everyone else who has all these strong negative feelings towards Wii in this thread.


I'm saving all of your comments. So that in a month or 2 when Wii is released and people have had time to play it. I'm going to repost all these comments so that you will see how silly ;) you are. When it comes out you will all find something you love about it.

PS3 doesn't have a shot in hell. They've doomed themselves. No body with half a brain will buy that hunk of shit.

Xbox - Well if you alredy own one. It will probably collect dust. You'll pull it out when you look at it, feeling sad for it, all wound up sitting in the hairballs that form behind a tv from your cat/dog. Or when your little cousins or childeren come around and want to play something and you don't want them to eat the controller of the Wii. You'll give them the xbox :D
 
I'm saving all of your comments. So that in a month or 2 when Wii is released and people have had time to play it. I'm going to repost all these comments so that you will see how silly you are. When it comes out you will all find something you love about it.
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You can say whatever the fuck you want to bro, Nintendo hasn't produced a single thing of interest (to me) since the SNES and I don't expect the Wii to magically change that.
 
Daggah said:
You can say whatever the fuck you want to bro, Nintendo hasn't produced a single thing of interest (to me) since the SNES and I don't expect the Wii to magically change that.
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While you obviously have strong feelings against Nintendo, you cannot deny that they have been the driving force behind almost every single innovation in the gaming market. These guys are good at what they do, and while the GameCube flopped, I'm willing to bet the Wii won't.

Nintendo created the D-Pad, brought the concept of "shoulder buttons" to gaming with the launch of Super Nintendo, gave us the Analogue Stick, and the Rumble Pak. Hell, I think everyone here knows the Zapper (the gun used for Duck Hunt) and has very fond memories of using it.

Nintendo is a company that has driven so much innovation in the gaming market and I'm hopeful that the Wii does well. It's got so much fucking potential, it'd be a shame to see it fail.
 
i wouldn't say the gamecube flopped..

it did last it's whole life cycle.. it didn't get cut short like the dreamcast...
 
Save all the comments you want. Yeah my 360 wont be collecting dust anytime soon considering I have Saints Row.
 
Jap1987 said:
Save all the comments you want. Yeah my 360 wont be collecting dust anytime soon considering I have Saints Row.
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you're cool :eek: Hf with your played out gta rip off.
 
Interesting post thatI agree with to a certain extent. SNES was my last Nintendo console. However the Wii does seem a tad interesting. I might actually get one depending on price, controller ( I can't c myself using that thing waving it around like an idiot) and 3rd party support. I haven't played a Zelda or Metroid game becasue the 64 was trash and teh GC wasn't much better. Also hated both controllers.

Any word on the OFFICAL price yet? I don't like the the 360 but loved the XBOX. I HATE the fact that I really can't customize something as simple as the control options on a lot of games. If the XBOX did it why not on the 360? Stupid. I also don't see many MUST have games on it yet. There are some decent ones but nothing like; "wow I have to have"!

I call it the Junkbox and POS 3.

I had an Atati, NES, SNES, Genesis, DC, PS, PS2 and the original XBOX. Loved them all (a few Nintendo handhelds of course). For now, I'm sticking with a PC.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
you're cool :eek: Hf with your played out gta rip off.
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Coming from a Nintendo fan boy that's pretty humourous...but I'm sure you're looking forward to playing yet another Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Metroid game.
 
Junkbox? Why I will admit the games are not the greatest right now they always get better and you cant expect excellent titles to just flood the market. Getting the Xbox in the first place was due to mediocre titles flooding the gamecube so it happens with all systems. Yeah I agree Daggah people say how nintendo is so innovative and noone else comes out with new fresh titles. Yet Nintendo's entire franchise is built on the same couple of characters and never any new ones. I mean who could possibly compete with Mario Sunshine, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Baseball, or Mario Party 1-7.
 
Daggah said:
Coming from a Nintendo fan boy that's pretty humourous...but I'm sure you're looking forward to playing yet another Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Metroid game.
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lol, considering the fact that I own every gta ever created except for san andreas and stories on the psp that makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Killing people gets old fast =/
 
Jap1987 said:
I mean who could possibly compete with Mario Sunshine, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Baseball, or Mario Party 1-7.
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LOL True.

I'm just not impressed at the entire console scene right now. The 360 was rushed to come out b4 ps3 and the titles are sorely lacking... Tis true as well that it needs to mature a bit and this season seems to be doingthat. It's also much pricier now to game thatn ever which I really don't like. The companies, outside Nintendo, are wanting to put everyhting in a console and we have NO choice and have to play for it.

The Wii is how much better than the GC graphics wise? They, I believe, have the best strategy so far. Just wish they supported a few more formats like HD and higher resolutions.
 
MC FLMJIG said:
I don't like the the 360 but loved the XBOX. I HATE the fact that I really can't customize something as simple as the control options on a lot of games. If the XBOX did it why not on the 360? Stupid. I also don't see many MUST have games on it yet. There are some decent ones but nothing like; "wow I have to have"!
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Well, I never had an original XBOX. I find your comments about the 360 to be a little odd as well; one of the things that's strong about the 360 is its customization options. Not only can you actually customize controls but you can even set defaults for controls based on the type of game in the dashboard. For example, I can go in right now and set up a different control scheme default for racing games through the dashboard and have it reflected in PGR3 when I load it up.

Games are subjective but right now there's plenty of games to play on the 360 IMHO.
 
FluxCap said:
Has anyone considered selling their Xbox 360 and getting a Wii as their primary console?
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Negative, Sir.

Looking forward to Splinter Cell games as well as Forza 2. If I would have ONLY those 2 games for the 360 I would be a very happy man.

There is no way I Wiil be getting a Wii, I am so tired of Mario and Zelda games.
 
Since it's somewhat relevant here (and nobody will sift through the Wii-conference thread to find it): the Wii at launch--confirmed as November 19th in the Americas--will cost $249.99 USD. That's the Wii itself, one controller setup (Wiimote/nunchuk), and a game/cute demo/thing called Wii Sports.
 
flboad said:
@ Jap1987 & Duggah and everyone else who has all these strong negative feelings towards Wii in this thread.


I'm saving all of your comments. So that in a month or 2 when Wii is released and people have had time to play it. I'm going to repost all these comments so that you will see how silly ;) you are. When it comes out you will all find something you love about it.

PS3 doesn't have a shot in hell. They've doomed themselves. No body with half a brain will buy that hunk of shit.

Xbox - Well if you alredy own one. It will probably collect dust. You'll pull it out when you look at it, feeling sad for it, all wound up sitting in the hairballs that form behind a tv from your cat/dog. Or when your little cousins or childeren come around and want to play something and you don't want them to eat the controller of the Wii. You'll give them the xbox :D
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heh, u tard...

u realize that you are "one of them" right? they harbor negative feelings toward the wii and look at you... doing the exact same thing to the ps3 and 360... nobody really cares what u think...

im pro ps3 and the wii... and i dont think ne of these 3 systems will fail miserably... so... u can quote me 3 years from now... lets see what happens
 
Ultimately though guys.. consumers will buy the system that has the games they want to play. That may be 1, 2, or all 3 systems. However I will say, now that the Wii is priced at $250 ... that 'low price' gimick is gone and for just a measly $50 more you can have HD support, Dolby 5.1 support, access to Gears of War, Halo 3, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Viva Pinata, Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On.. I could go on and on...

Either way, I already own a 360 and am happy beyond happiness's horizon. I plan on buying a Wii for SMG, SSBB but... since they are not launch titles. Nintendo will not get any of my hard earned cash until sometime after a price drop and these titles release.

Nintendo has failed to pull me (a long time gamer) into launch hype. There just isn't anything there worth $250 +++ all the games/accessories/extra controller(s) right now.

Nintendo 1
Consumer 0

(for now)
 
theNoid said:
Ultimately though guys.. consumers will buy the system that has the games they want to play. That may be 1, 2, or all 3 systems. However I will say, now that the Wii is priced at $250 ... that 'low price' gimick is gone and for just a measly $50 more you can have HD support, Dolby 5.1 support, access to Gears of War, Halo 3, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Viva Pinata, Lost Planet, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On.. I could go on and on...
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exactly, consumers will buy the system that has games they want to play
but
u really cant argue that the 300 xbox core is a good deal >.>
and naming those games, well, nintendo !!!!s can name quite a few launch games as well...

i dont see how the price gimmick is gone... full use of the 360 requires the 400 system... so the wii is 150 cheaper... and thats no small amount of cash...if it were, then ppl wouldnt be bitching and whining about the ps3s 600 price tag... and the wii is supposed to reach out to ppl who dont need HD support, dolby digital 5.1 support, etc etc... its not for the eye/ear candy afterall
 
I thought for sure the Wii would be introduced at 200 or less. I don't think the new price will effect sales becuase of motion sensing being such a huge hit with the crowd.
 
Jap1987 said:
I thought for sure the Wii would be introduced at 200 or less. I don't think the new price will effect sales becuase of motion sensing being such a huge hit with the crowd.
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So a beefed up GCN with a new controller is worth $250 ? Speak for yourself.
 
theNoid said:
So a beefed up GCN with a new controller is worth $250 ? Speak for yourself.
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well, its not "JUST" a new controller... its an entirely new approach at gaming... and that unique experience is worth 250... although u can get it [the experience] for free if ur buddy shells out the 250 ^^
 
theNoid said:
So a beefed up GCN with a new controller is worth $250 ? Speak for yourself.
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from what i've read it's a good bit more powerful than an xbox, so it's alot more than a beefed up gc.
 
About the Wii price tag: DANG. They'd better be getting some huge Wii-exclusive RPG (like Blue Dragon) or else the incentive is all but lost to me... :(

I think I'm going to stick with the systems I own now... well this might be a blessing in disguise, since there are a boatload of high profile PS2 games that I've either missed (hey Xeno 3 ;)) or haven't been released stateside yet (hello Persona 3, VP2, FFXII :D ). Hopefully by the time I finish those it'll be time for FFXIII. Excellent.
 
l177l3d said:
heh, u tard...

u realize that you are "one of them" right? they harbor negative feelings toward the wii and look at you... doing the exact same thing to the ps3 and 360... nobody really cares what u think...

im pro ps3 and the wii... and i dont think ne of these 3 systems will fail miserably... so... u can quote me 3 years from now... lets see what happens
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If you didn't sense my sarcasm, then i'm awefully sorry i can't help you.

And nobody cares what you think. Nobody cares what anyone thinks. This argument will go on forever about what system is better.

But i think we can all agree that PS3 is the worst, Sony is gonna have to pay us to play them. <~~~ that was sarcasm ;)
 
nope, didnt sense it at all, sorry, ull have to spell it out for me...

edit: and this line - But i think we can all agree that PS3 is the worst, Sony is gonna have to pay us to play them. - can potentially be supported by... hmm... well... many many many ppl... so... ur sarcasm doesnt work
 
l177l3d said:
can potentially be supported by... hmm... well... many many many ppl... so... ur sarcasm doesnt work
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I have to be honest here; I agree with him that the PS3 is abysmal. Why in gods name do I want to pay $600 for a console, $1000 for the HDTV, and have what can only be described as a glorified computer, only without the customizablity, interesting peripherals, innovation, and the inability to sell my games *properly* after I'm done with them? I don't want to support Blu-Ray, nor do I want to pay for any of that crap when I buy a gaming system. After all the company has done in the past with their proprietary formats I don't want to support Sony.

Nintendo has finally put consoles back in their proper direction: Not as a DVD/HD-DVD/BluRay player, not as a computer replacement, but as an honest-to-goodness gaming machine built to have fun with (also with three other friends...should be a good time). Neither the PS3 nor the Xbox360 offer anything different to me (as a PC gamer), other than the PS3's inclusion of the fiftieth iteration of final fantasy. I'd also like to add that I lost interest after FF3.
 
quadnad said:
I have to be honest here; I agree with him that the PS3 is abysmal. Why in gods name do I want to pay $600 for a console, $1000 for the HDTV, and have what can only be described as a glorified computer, only without the customizablity, interesting peripherals, innovation, and the inability to sell my games *properly* after I'm done with them? I don't want to support Blu-Ray, nor do I want to pay for any of that crap when I buy a gaming system. After all the company has done in the past with their proprietary formats I don't want to support Sony.

Nintendo has finally put consoles back in their proper direction: Not as a DVD/HD-DVD/BluRay player, not as a computer replacement, but as an honest-to-goodness gaming machine built to have fun with (also with three other friends...should be a good time). Neither the PS3 nor the Xbox360 offer anything different to me (as a PC gamer), other than the PS3's inclusion of the fiftieth iteration of final fantasy. I'd also like to add that I lost interest after FF3.
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A similar powered computer would cost a lot more, the cpu of the ps3 supposively has the power of a super computer, even if only a few games will support this blue ray will enable the ability of making more hi-res games, better textures ect. And you are right, but to some degree since nintendo started catering to small children I have stopped buying nintendo console. I have the 8bit nintendo with about 40 games, and the nintendo 64. I tried the controller on the GC, honestly it's not the best (fighting games may require better placed buttons), zelda went cell shaded, and honestly the games were aimed for kids, eventually you need a more serious console. The nintendo wii will be a ripoff at around $250 considering you can shell out $50 more and you can get the 360 and actually play some pretty decent games, saints row, dead rising, soon to be released gears of wars, halo 3, GTA 4 (nintendo doesen't have that). Sorry man but nintendo doesen't cut it anymore unless you have small children, nintendo is not serious anymore with the exeption of the handheld market (the are basically it for handheld). People complain that next gen games are expensive, this sounds similar to when the nintendo 64 came out, almost all games used to cost $50-60 when the system came out, then eventually playstation forced them to lower theyr prices. So if you like the wii go buy it, people who want to have a more flexible library can invest in the 360 and ps3. Things are more expensive than what they were back 6yrs ago, a high end pc video card would cost $300, now a high end card cost easily $500-600 and X2 is you wanna strap two.
 
Did I forget, the president of the US signed a bill to extend from 2007 to 2009 the date in wich analog television will be killed, they are cutting us some slack. It's one of those forced upgrades, you can still upgrade your tv and not have to replace it but it's not cost effective so it's better to get the HD eventually. You don't need to buy an HD tv to enjoy todays games, the 360 and the ps3 will play over analog pc's.
 
ellover009 said:
Did I forget, the president of the US signed a bill to extend from 2007 to 2009 the date in wich analog television will be killed, they are cutting us some slack. It's one of those forced upgrades, you can still upgrade your tv and not have to replace it but it's not cost effective so it's better to get the HD eventually. You don't need to buy an HD tv to enjoy todays games, the 360 and the ps3 will play over analog tv's.
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lol...of course they're going to extend the life of SD, considering the adoption percentage of HDTV is very poor. Also, although I know they will play on a standard def television, you lose the entire point of purchasing one of these higher horsepower machines. Why not buy a PS2/Xbox/etc. if you aren't even going to be able to see the higher res visuals? Why buy a glorified computer with an obscenely expensive Blu-Ray player if you can't tell the difference on an SD television? So then, $1600 for a PS3, and you can most definitely build a computer for that amount of money which would rival it.

Sony has both exaggerated and flat out lied about the performance of the PS3, and "supercomputer" is definitely one those exaggerations. Yes, it is most definitely more powerful than the Xbox360 and Wii, but like many industry vets have said (John Carmack most noteably), development on the platform is very difficult. Like Gabe Newell said in an interview (google for it if you want to hear it) ages ago, Sony is known for stifling creativity in the industry with both their proprietary formats and also the Cell processor itself.

Running such a hugely different processor type from the others limits the people who know how to program for it severely. This means that most of the smaller developers are left both A. having to pay huge liscensing fees to develop on the platform (higher than the others) and B. without programmers to write code. That means the upstarts and innovative groups have to deal with a massive inital investment which most are unable to afford. Moral of that story: goodbye niche games. goodbye games that cater to smaller crowds.

Sony has not innovated. They're still using the same proprietary principles they always have (minidisc, memory stick, umd, blu ray, etc.)...and their most recent failing is the way they're trying to make money twice over on the sale of used games.

Either way, I can't really continue this post because A. Sony makes me grumpy and B. I'm really hungry and sushi is calling my name.
 
Yes the sony developer kit is a hell of a lot difficult, but the 360 has the dissabantage that the three processors require better instructions in order to drive it better. I give sony credit for trying something different (with the exeption of the tilt controler, I take rumble any day of the week). Once the system is in a year or so in it's life it will probably be a sweet system since all it's potential hasn't been utilized to the max. I might end up with the 360 anyways, I like the controller better.
 
quadnad said:
lol...of course they're going to extend the life of SD, considering the adoption percentage of HDTV is very poor. Also, although I know they will play on a standard def television, you lose the entire point of purchasing one of these higher horsepower machines. Why not buy a PS2/Xbox/etc. if you aren't even going to be able to see the higher res visuals? Why buy a glorified computer with an obscenely expensive Blu-Ray player if you can't tell the difference on an SD television? So then, $1600 for a PS3, and you can most definitely build a computer for that amount of money which would rival it.

Sony has both exaggerated and flat out lied about the performance of the PS3, and "supercomputer" is definitely one those exaggerations. Yes, it is most definitely more powerful than the Xbox360 and Wii, but like many industry vets have said (John Carmack most noteably), development on the platform is very difficult. Like Gabe Newell said in an interview (google for it if you want to hear it) ages ago, Sony is known for stifling creativity in the industry with both their proprietary formats and also the Cell processor itself.

Running such a hugely different processor type from the others limits the people who know how to program for it severely. This means that most of the smaller developers are left both A. having to pay huge liscensing fees to develop on the platform (higher than the others) and B. without programmers to write code. That means the upstarts and innovative groups have to deal with a massive inital investment which most are unable to afford. Moral of that story: goodbye niche games. goodbye games that cater to smaller crowds.
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You can play these new consoles on SDTV JUST FINE. They look far better than previous gen consoles on SDTV.

Also, I wouldn't even say PS3 is more powerful than 360. I flat wouldn't say it at this point. To early to say.

I would agree with something more generic like it's more "hi tech" than 360, for sure, with Blu-Ray and Cell and built in wireless ($600 model) alone. Not the same thing as more powerful though. More like more bells and whistles.

In raw power I say it's too early to declare a winner. To me the single best looking game on PS3 is Heavenly Sword, and Gears of War for 360, and which looks best? I dont know, it's a tossup.
 
and the inability to sell my games *properly* after I'm done with them?
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For fuck's sake dude, Sony has already said they're not using that bullshit on the PS3!
 
Sharky974 said:
Also, I wouldn't even say PS3 is more powerful than 360. I flat wouldn't say it at this point. To early to say.
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It is. In terms of processing power, and overall potential, it is.
 
Daggah said:
For fuck's sake dude, Sony has already said they're not using that bullshit on the PS3!
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oh yes, yes they are. read here for more info (unless something change in the last 48hrs.)

someone on [H said:
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So, remember how Sony isn't allowing the sale of used PS3 games? Check out my little summary of their new system, as taken from this article:
OLD METHOD:
1) You buy a game. Sony makes money.

2) You sell a game to GameStop right now, and they give you some money, spendable at GameStop, or if you choose, cash. You make money.

3) GameStop sells that game to somebody else. GameStop makes money.

NEW METHOD:
Sony is replacing step 2 and 3 here with one nice little condensed step.
2b) You sell a game to a friend. Your friend does not pay you in cash.He puts the game in his system, and the system checks for authorization. If you have authorized the sale, your friend pays a used game price (to Sony) of which you recieve a percentage in entitlement points (spendable only to Sony). Sony makes money x 2.

The article also states that every game you buy must be registered, or you will not be able to play that game. That registration process happens via SONY's HDD. Unfortunately there's NO-WAY around this.
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both the 360 and the ps3 are not even close to theyr potentials, theyr potential will slowly be unlocked as developers become more experienced (360 is getting there faster since it's similar to a pc). As for those player haters, sorry but no matter how much things you come up with the ps3 and the 360 won't be crushed by the wii (exept in japan because they hate american products like the 360, still the sony should be able to take the crown up there). It's kinda funny, people make threads to justify theyr purchases, it's like my daddy is bigger than your daddy talk.
 
This patent describes a scenario which could revolutionize the way used games are treated.
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You might want to learn to read...

"Patent"
"Describes"
"Scenario"
 
Daggah said:
You can say whatever the fuck you want to bro, Nintendo hasn't produced a single thing of interest (to me) since the SNES and I don't expect the Wii to magically change that.
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I felt the same way going into E3 (in fact, I commented to a friend pretty much exactly that, LOL), but I tell you what--I was wrong. Wii rocks.

Jason
 
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