Wii over a 360?

I have to agree, and I remember when people said the psp was going to be fucking leet sauce and how it's such a powerful system, but it's best games are 2D with colorful graphics. A lil' bit ironic huh? :p I think the ps3 will be like the psp part 2 but that's for another thread. I'm deffinately getting a wii launch day though, and a ps3 on launch day to sell on ebay.
 
Daggah said:
Sure, kid's games like Mario or Zelda can be enjoyed by all ages but they're still TARGETED specifically at one age category. Nintendo's been targetting this age category for a long time now, that you cannot deny.
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Yes I can. I deny it. See?

Adults don't ever touch games that are truly kid's games. This is not the case with Mario and Zelda games.
 
U HAX0R said:
Oh really ? Tried it at E3 ? How long did he play 5 minutes ?

<--- Use the Wii 8+ hours a day,
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Yes, because the majority of us have time to game for 8 solid hours every day. At the very least, I can say with confidence that those of us with *jobs* or who are pursuing an *education* certainly don't.

In either case, I personally played Wii for about 4 hours at E3, across several different titles (MP3, Zelda, Wii Sports, Red Steel, couple others) and never found it to be anything but amazingly easy to learn, easy to play and most importantly, *FUN*.

Wii's going to rock, and more importantly it's going to outsell PS3 this holiday.

Jason
 
Jap1987 said:
Again I didnt say it was a measure of enjoyment NINTENDO'S pitch(gimmick) is that today controllers have far to many buttons and therefore hard for anyone to just pick up and play. I believe picking up a controller is far less intimidating then picking up two motion sensor controllers.
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I'm with you on that, and I felt the same way--BEFORE I played Wii at E3. Picking up the Wii and the 'chuck and getting used to them is *easy*. The hardest part for me was realizing that there is *zero* lag, where I was sure there would be 1/4-1/8th second or so. I was SO wrong, and the Wii totally took me by surprise.

I walked into E3 thinking "OK, let's play this underpowered POS and prove Ninny's full of crap". I came out of their booth 4 hours later *completely* blown away. Wii is the real deal.

By comparison I came out of Sony's booth feeling limp and unimpressed. I'd basically just played a bunch of 360 games with a $200 price premium and a flimsy, weak-ass controller. Completely busted my expectations in reverse, LOL :)

Jason
 
Well it is underpowered. There is no way the Wii would compete with PS3/360 if it didnt have any special features. Thats why the new controller keeps it in the race. When I looked at the games they simply failed to impress me.If I think long and hard about it, what would seriously be driving me to get a Wii? Its not like the Wii has a special way of improving ai, and we already know the graphics will be outdated. So other then a few differences such as turning a motion sensor nunchuck to open a door versus just hitting A on a normal controller, how is it changing the gaming industry.
 
Jap1987 said:
Well it is underpowered. There is no way the Wii would compete with PS3/360 if it didnt have any special features. Thats why the new controller keeps it in the race. When I looked at the games they simply failed to impress me.If I think long and hard about it, what would seriously be driving me to get a Wii? Its not like the Wii has a special way of improving ai, and we already know the graphics will be outdated. So other then a few differences such as turning a motion sensor nunchuck to open a door versus just hitting A on a normal controller, how is it changing the gaming industry.
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wow..... are you serious? Some people these days sheesh. The controller brings a new level of interactivity for video games, thats what it's about as far as I know. Wheres the only new things the ps3 brings is uh, better graphics? Considering many devs have said the wii is roughly 1.5 xbox's in power, I think that's plenty considering how good xbox games looked.
 
Jap1987 said:
Well it is underpowered. There is no way the Wii would compete with PS3/360 if it didnt have any special features. Thats why the new controller keeps it in the race. When I looked at the games they simply failed to impress me.If I think long and hard about it, what would seriously be driving me to get a Wii? Its not like the Wii has a special way of improving ai, and we already know the graphics will be outdated. So other then a few differences such as turning a motion sensor nunchuck to open a door versus just hitting A on a normal controller, how is it changing the gaming industry.
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You could just as easily ask what the driving force for getting a 360/ps3 would be. You're just playing he same games w/ roughly the same controls, except for better graphics and ai.
 
While I don't really care about the Wii's specs just the exclusive games Nintendo offers (which look great so far), were the Wii's specs announced? I really just want to know how much RAM the system has because that was the major limitation of the xbox, ps2 and gamecube.
 
I'm definatly going to get the wii. If I have to worry about extreme graphics, I'll let my x1800xt worry about that.
 
noIinteam said:
I'm definatly going to get the wii. If I have to worry about extreme graphics, I'll let my x1800xt worry about that.
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QFT! Wii for Nintendo exclusives, PC for the hardcore stuff.
 
Thats precisely why I upgrade my PC and buy new consoles, for new graphics and better advancements on ai. Why would I want to downgrade to a Wii just because they revolutionized the way I jiggle a handle or conduct an opera.
 
It all comes back to the gameplay vs. graphics argument. I believe the Wii will have more fun games than the PS3 will, which is why I will get one. It has nothing to do with how powerful it is OR the controller (though I am excited to try the controller)
 
^^^I mostly agree with that argument. Gameplay is much more important then graphics. The only problem I have with this statement is they all go hand and hand. Graphics do make better gameplay, you can simply show off more with advancements in graphics. Would a WW2 Omaha beach landing be better on the xbox or the 360? Sure if the developers were lazy it could have better gameplay on the xbox, but if they took there time on it with all the advancements in technology they could show off a technical aspect to the game that actually let you see how intense it really was.
 
...of course, a World War 2 game has never been done before, so it would be really original and fun... Oh wait, it's been done about a hundred times hasn't it.

I need another war game like I need a (non-virtual) bullet in my head, which is why I will be buying the Wii. An original idea is just as important as graphics. In the end Nintendo focuses on making fun games, while Sony (and everyone that developes for Sony) focuses on making money by releasing thousands of games that were put together in about a half hour each.
 
My point was that graphics, gameplay, and everything else goes hand and hand. And thats a BS statement. Name a shooter for Nintendo more acclaimed then Halo, or the MGS series. Name a racer better then Project Gotham or Gran Turismo. And also an action game better then God of War. Don't go saying they rush games when Nintendo has yet to compete with them.
 
Jap1987 said:
My point was that graphics, gameplay, and everything else goes hand and hand. And thats a BS statement. Name a shooter for Nintendo more acclaimed then Halo, or the MGS series. Name a racer better then Project Gotham or Gran Turismo. And also an action game better then God of War. Don't go saying they rush games when Nintendo has yet to compete with them.
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What about Goldeneye? That essentially gave birth to proper FPSs on consoles...also I wouldn't call MGS a shooter. Resident Evil 4 was also initially out on the Gamecube.

Racing games on consoles still can't match those on the PC..

What about Smash Bros. for an action title? Nintendo has it's own huge franchises, from Mario to Donkey Kong to Metroid to Zelda....don't underestimate the company that is responsible for almost all major innovations in the gaming market. Just because the GameCube hasn't done well doesn't mean things won't turn around when Wii arrives.
 
Jap1987 said:
My point was that graphics, gameplay, and everything else goes hand and hand. And thats a BS statement. Name a shooter for Nintendo more acclaimed then Halo, or the MGS series. Name a racer better then Project Gotham or Gran Turismo. And also an action game better then God of War. Don't go saying they rush games when Nintendo has yet to compete with them.
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Mario Kart .
 
The reason I didnt bring up Goldeneye is because Nintendo will never see that quality of shooters again. For some reason they didnt want to hold onto Rare who also made the original good Donkey Kong games. Dont bring up PC games because were not comparing them. And metroid will only remain decent until they decide to implement a strafe which I really hope is in the next one.
 
Jap1987 said:
The reason I didnt bring up Goldeneye is because Nintendo will never see that quality of shooters again. For some reason they didnt want to hold onto Rare who also made the original good Donkey Kong games. Dont bring up PC games because were not comparing them. And metroid will only remain decent until they decide to implement a strafe which I really hope is in the next one.
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Ah, now I see. You're a fortune teller, you can see the future.

Aside from that, I have to say that you're so far coming across as full of shit. Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were both *excellent* titles with interesting action, a fairly deep story and loads of variety in the gameplay.

The bottom line is that gameplay and graphics are *related* but not *dependent* on one another. FFVI (III in the US originally) remains to this day better than ANY subsequent Final Fantasy game even thoug the graphics on those games have greatly improved in the years since. MGS series is probably the best storytelling in the whole game industry, but face it--that's not Sony, that's Hideo Kojima, and he's said publically that he's more excited about Wii than PS3 and that after MGS4 is done he's going to work on Wii projects exclusively. Ubisoft, one of the most prolific developers out there, is going *nuts* for the Wii.

In the end, you clearly haven't played Wii. I can relate to your skepticism, because pre-E3 I had it too. Bottom line, I was wrong, and so are you. Wii rocks, period.

Jason
 
Yeah you could strafe as long as you were locked on. Must be pretty innovative when a game takes a step back.
 
Jap1987 said:
Yeah you could strafe as long as you were locked on. Must be pretty innovative when a game takes a step back.
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For a console FPS, I much prefer the control system of Metroid Prime to the standard (i.e. Halo). And from everything I've read, Metroid Prime 3 will work like a PC FPS... because of the Wii controllers. Sounds innovative to me to be able to properly play an FPS on a console without a keyboard and mouse.
 
Molgera said:
For a console FPS, I much prefer the control system of Metroid Prime to the standard (i.e. Halo). And from everything I've read, Metroid Prime 3 will work like a PC FPS... because of the Wii controllers. Sounds innovative to me to be able to properly play an FPS on a console without a keyboard and mouse.
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I played MP3 at E3, and I have to say the controls were fantastic. I didn't try strafing--there really wasn't a need to in the demo--but zapping the snot out of the baddies was as easy as aim and shoot, and if they had shields you'd snap the 'chuck to lock on with a grapple beam and rip it out of their hands before you blow their asses away. *Excellent* example of why Wii>PS3.

Honestly, if all you have to offer is a prettier picture of the same old thing, you don't have much to offer at all.

Jason
 
Jap1987 said:
Yeah you could strafe as long as you were locked on. Must be pretty innovative when a game takes a step back.
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Actually, you can strafe by holding the L button. There was no way to implement a different scheme due to all the other buttons being used for other functions, and the control scheme works incredibly well within the context of the game.

For the record, Metroid Prime was far better than Halo, though you can't really consider it to be an FPS.
 
Zero82z said:
For the record, Metroid Prime was far better than Halo, though you can't really consider it to be an FPS.
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For the record, some people are going to disagree with this. As for me, I'd say they're both really good games and it's hard to compare them because Metroid Prime is more of an exploration-type game like other Metroids than Halo, which is a standard FPS.
 
I prefered metroid by far, imo I felt halo was over rated, then again I played it on the pc so who knows if I missed out on anything :eek:
 
Halo was a bit overrated in singleplayer, but I just can't stand playing a game like Metroid Prime that had good visuals, and art design and being forced to click a button to free look and lockon to strafe.
 
Jap1987 said:
Halo was a bit overrated in singleplayer, but I just can't stand playing a game like Metroid Prime that had good visuals, and art design and being forced to click a button to free look and lockon to strafe.
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Then enjoy Wii, becuase free looking is what you do 100% of the time, and what you'll never do on 360 or PS3(DO)

Jason
 
sabrewolf732 said:
Mario Kart .
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You're shitting me. You're saying that Mario Kart is competitive with what? The racing games mentioned? It's a cart racer, it's not competition for Gran Turismo! :rolleyes:
 
Daggah said:
You're shitting me. You're saying that Mario Kart is competitive with what? The racing games mentioned? It's a cart racer, it's not competition for Gran Turismo! :rolleyes:
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While I agree that Mario Karts customers are looking for differant qualities in a racing game compared to Gran Tourismos Customers, but Mario Kart is still a racer/hybrid ... Throw in some friends and there is a clear winner for gameplay. I'd also prefer Mario Kart single player over Gran Tourismos sngle player any day of the week. I even bought the 150$ force feedback wheel just for GT4 (I used to sell cars). Ive played GT4 with the Fancy wheel for all of 2 weeks, and I'm too lazy to setup everything for Ebay to sell it ..eh. But to this day I still play Mario Kart 64 :)
 
Daggah said:
You're shitting me. You're saying that Mario Kart is competitive with what? The racing games mentioned? It's a cart racer, it's not competition for Gran Turismo! :rolleyes:
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Blasphemy!! Its THE Kart Racer. Still the best. (double dash kinda sucked, I hope they bring mario kart GT to the wii at some point)
 
Either way it's still not competition for Gran Turismo and isn't meant to be.
 
Daggah said:
Either way it's still not competition for Gran Turismo and isn't meant to be.
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Either way a consumor has X number of dollars to spend for a GAME, no matter the genra.
 
Daggah said:
You're shitting me. You're saying that Mario Kart is competitive with what? The racing games mentioned? It's a cart racer, it's not competition for Gran Turismo! :rolleyes:
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Mario Kart is best best racer EVER, no matter the genre :cool:
 
Mario Kart is a good racer, but its aimed more along the lines of simple racing controls anyone can just pick up and play. Its not fun if you like realism. So it definately doesnt blow away every racing game.
 
I'm keeping my PC as my console for eye candy and crazy performance.

The only next-gen console I'm buying is the Wii. I see myself playing it more than my PC.
 
Question for those who have played the Wii. When playing Metroid or Red Steel was there and option to have the crosshair always in the middle and the screen moves similar to pc games?
 
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