Eve or Wow

Actually you can. You can get out there very fast kicking ass. Most people who PvP use cheap ships so it does'nt hurt so much when you lose one. And a gang of frigates can take down a battleship.
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i was watching the videos from the huge battles between the corps they were having, and one was about 8 frigates attacking a battle ship, the fight lasted like 15 minutes with the battleship doing nothing but launching smart bombs and randomly owning the frigates, eventually the frigates won but man it was an awsome video
 
sitheris said:
WoW if you want to have fun.

Eve if you like playing a game that has no purpose other than to mine asteroids and travel for hours on end.
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I've been playing for around a month and I've not mined a single asteroid outside of the tutorial.
 
I used my 14 day trial of EVE and I was BORED!

The game is fun at first, but gets so, so boring. Really. You don't do anything to level up your skills. You have to simple tell it to level up some skill and then you leave it for days. It takes forever to go anywhere and really isn't all that exciting.

WoW is much better on the other hand. It's pretty easy to level up, and there is all sorts to do. Lots to explore. Don't get me wrong there is a lot to explore in EVE also, but lets face it... NO matter what direction you face, there are stars and planets everywhere you do.

WoW for me.
 
I would like to download Eve free trial but I cant find a way to get it... The only links I can find on google search lead me to an Eve page that errors if I try to fill it out. Anyone got this to work in last few days?
 
Ive downloaded the client but dont have a key. Every single "free trial" I found is not active. The eve-online.com site for creating a free trial acct gives errors as if it is inactive.
 
I bought WoW and it's alright. I'm waiting to level up more. Ehh I want a Mech MMORPG :)

Imagine Amored Core MMORPG :)
 
Shameless Liar said:
I used my 14 day trial of EVE and I was BORED!

The game is fun at first, but gets so, so boring. Really. You don't do anything to level up your skills. You have to simple tell it to level up some skill and then you leave it for days. It takes forever to go anywhere and really isn't all that exciting.

WoW is much better on the other hand. It's pretty easy to level up, and there is all sorts to do. Lots to explore. Don't get me wrong there is a lot to explore in EVE also, but lets face it... NO matter what direction you face, there are stars and planets everywhere you do.

WoW for me.
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The skill progression system in EVE is nice because you don't have to grind away to get new skills. You can just focus on playing the game.

There is a ton of stuff to do in EVE. You have no idea. The only problem for you is that it does'nt hold your hand and guide you every step of the way. It's up to you to decide what it is you want and you set about to get it.
WoW is a game that guides you. Leads you from point to point. But what you can accomplish is limited by the developers and the game world. In EVE you really aren't limited like this.
 
Archer75 said:
The skill progression system in EVE is nice because you don't have to grind away to get new skills. You can just focus on playing the game.

There is a ton of stuff to do in EVE. You have no idea. The only problem for you is that it does'nt hold your hand and guide you every step of the way. It's up to you to decide what it is you want and you set about to get it.
WoW is a game that guides you. Leads you from point to point. But what you can accomplish is limited by the developers and the game world. In EVE you really aren't limited like this.
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Amen! I love how I can play the game instead of grinding skills!

Also, the game is quite boring if you play by yourself. Get in a corp and get involved...otherwise it's a lonely experience.
 
ghostchamber said:
I haven't played Eve, although this story makes me want to.

http://static.circa1984.com/the-big-scam.html

It's extremely long, but well worth the read. It basically tells of a massive scandal pulled by an Eve player, and it is quite impressive.

At any rate, I played WoW for about a year. Great game, and I'd still be playing if I had time to. I've heard Eve is fantastic, but appeals much more to hardcore gamers. As we all know, WoW is pretty casual friendly.
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The guy in that story has got to be the biggest asshole of all time.
 
Trimlock said:
very very incorrect, people who bash wow are people wanting a bit more to the game other then getting lvl 60 and then lvling another character to 60 on the same account

this is how i see wow when you reach 60 (which happens really fast, fun to get there but when you get there...):

you can pvp all day for somewhat upgrades
you can raid every day, all day for sidewaygrades (but some look cool!)
you can mass far gold to get epic horses on all your lvl 60's
you can mass farm creatures/turn ins to get faction that really doesn't mean much other then getting a new epic mount


when you reach 60, its cool at first, you can breath a sigh of reliefe, spend your last skill point, and see some raid zones that really aren't cool looking what so ever (but then again not very much of the game is very unique from the general world to begin with) after that its just the same thing over and over, with alot of games this is the norm, all except gear, but with other games they also have events, changes to zones, something other then involving a grind

whent hey put in ZG i was super excited, i was thinking it would be alot like what AQ is today, but no .. that zone is pretty much blah... as far as artistic goes, boss fights are cool till you learn them, gear is pretty shitty to begin with, and the only gear that would be worth while requires you to clear the zone multiple times to obtain faction for them, which also requires drops off of bosses...

if you like to lvl to 60, then wow is fun, if you are looking for a game with a bit more widespread action and more things to do, i think EVE is your game
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A) However you came up with your idea itemization; you're wrong. The loot in AQ is quite good for an instance of that length and ease (although length is dependent on how much your group does or does not suck). The gear from quests which you need faction to gain is, in fact, mediocre to utter crap compared to drops from bosses, except for the chestpiece which generally is good but not spectacular and of course there are decent alternatives for non-40-man raiders. Most of my guildies got loot far better from ZG than the quest loot well before they had the reputation of said quest loot, meaning they didn't have to grind ZG nearly as much as you suggest.

B) Artistically it's much more rich than most places in WoW or in any MMO for that matter. Some parts of AQ are pretty cool but when you're dealing with earth-tone palattes, it's somewhat limited at times.

C) Raid all day for somewhat sidegrades? I spend a whooping two days out of the week in BWL and MC combined and I'd have to say tier1/2 stuff is just a tiny bit more than a sidegrade from the crappy blues that most people wear. Even if you just raid ZG/AQ20, the epics in those shorter, smaller 20-man raid instances are far better than what all people have when first reaching 60.

D) PvP is an insane grind. I have a bunch of guildies that did it, however that is also far more than a sidegrade. I'm still not seeing how you do your itemization but Rank13/14 gear is so far beyond what you've probably ever had in WoW I don't see how it could be called anything but a huge upgrade.

For me, WoW just started when I hit 60.


Volume said:
I have very recently switched from WoW to Eve.

Eve's depth and complexity is actually one of the things that draws me to it. The whole game is heavily influenced by players and the battles which they take part in. A friend of mine who plays it told me of a HUGE battle in some system between alliances. After the battle, the dev team made the place to look very war-torn in the next patch. Things like that make the game that much more interactive.

In WoW, alliances are dev created and guilds really have no influence on how the game is shaped. In Eve, corporations (guilds) are a big factor in who owns what part of space and who respects who (on a higher level than WoW's "oh he corpse camped me, I'm telling my guild to kill him").

There are no levels in this game, and you can only get more and more powerful. This is good because you are rewarded for your time (unlike WoW, where you will stay at 60 until the next expansion). The world is on one single shard so it's all seamless and there aren't realms to worry about and rerolling just to play with a friend.

About the corporations, it's really good to know people are watching your back. If you get out of line and start killing new players (and there is a lot more to risk in death in this game) you have a good chance of having a high bounty set on your head, which will be seen by all players (and even on billboards near stargates which is an awesome feature). There is a police force in the game that will protect you, called CONCORD. They will be seen more in high security systems, and less in low, so planning a route through high security is a plus for that reason.

The ships you can get yourself in this game look AMAZING as well, so that's always a plus. That goes for the rest of the graphics engine. Graphics don't make gameplay, but they are always appreciated.

This wasn't a very organzied or detailed write up because I'm tired, but definitely check out www.eve-online.com if you are interested.
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The part about the guild/corp differences between WoW and EVE are very true and probably the most significant thing anyone in this thread has said yet.

However the "unlike WoW, where you will stay at 60 until the next expansion" is a misnomer since playing at level 60 and gearing up (and getting new skillbooks) is more similar to upgrading your spacecraft in EVE than most people will admit. There's a much bigger difference in stats and effectiveness than people who have been level 60 for months and getting new loot and skillbooks vs. the guy who just hit level 60 yesterday than the average level 50 vs. average level 59.

Don't be fooled though, both WoW and EVE are hardcore guild games. If you think you're going to have fun in an MMO like WoW going all solo, you'll burn yourself out and won't have any fun once you hit 60. After that if you have a fun guild, the real game just starts. Likewise if you're trying to solo EVE, you're going to be falling asleep at the keyboard.
 
I've played both a heck of a lot and it basically boils down to this.

WoW is your mistress
EvE is your wife.

You'll always go back to your wife.

Perversely I found that even though WoW is easier to progress in, eve makes people of all levels relevent, someone with a couple of weeks training in PVP skills can be an effective tackler and very relevent in a combat situation whereas in WoW if you ain't 60 you ain't shit.

Because of that wow gears itself to just having uber guilds full of level 60's instead of a functional group of people that actually get on. This coupled with the requirement of being forced into raiding schedules and sacrificing your life in 4 hour chunks takes its toll and imho makes WoW less casual friendly than eve does, certainly once you get to level 60.

Eve can be hard to start off with as it does take a while to get your skills up to a usable level but in the end will be far more rewarding and the satisfaction you can get from it are immense.

Just don't get involved in the politics, it's f'ing horrible.

And yes mining in eve can be horrible, its fun if you do it right with a bunch of social peeps but its also not necessary beyond the 1 month played mark as you can do missions and dungeons to make your money, it won't be as reliable a source of income but you'll still make your dough. I've been playing over 2 years, have about 4 billion isk and haven't mined since about the 3rd month I played the game.
 
Archer75 said:
Try the link at www.evenews.com
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Theirs worked. Must be the only one that still has some keys left lol. Ill be able to get it installed tonight after work hopefully. Thanks for that link!



Now, if anyone comes up with a free trial of D&D online that would rock... ;)
 
jtzako said:
Now, if anyone comes up with a free trial of D&D online that would rock... ;)
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Lol! I played the beta and it suck major nuts. Probably one of the worst MMOs I've ever attempted to play. Pretty graphics though... :rolleyes:
 
more people drive hondas than bmw's

does that make hondas better cars? no

WoW is a kid-game that doesnt take an ounce of intelligence to play
 
osalcido said:
more people drive hondas than bmw's

does that make hondas better cars? no

WoW is a kid-game that doesnt take an ounce of intelligence to play
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That's bullshit and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Roll a character to 60, get grand marshal and do a few end-game intstances, then you can tell me about intelligence.
 
osalcido said:
more people drive hondas than bmw's

does that make hondas better cars? no

WoW is a kid-game that doesnt take an ounce of intelligence to play
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LoL so it takes intelligence to mine asteroids all day in Eve? Most people who do this don't even stay at their computer, but they have setups to notify them when attention at the game is needed.

Jeeze I guess It takes a lot of intelligence to let a game play itself
 
osalcido said:
more people drive hondas than bmw's

does that make hondas better cars? no

WoW is a kid-game that doesnt take an ounce of intelligence to play
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EVE isn't really any different. Just because an interface or the gameplay is counter-intuitive doesn't mean it needs more intelligence to play. WoW has pretty good depth to it, but the appeal is the fact that the game is very easy to pick up and play. Doesn't mean it's dumb, just well designed.

You want a game that takes intelligence, play something that isn't a grind like an MMO. Something along the lines of Civ4 or GalCiv2 is what I'm thinking about.
 
I played EQ2 for about 6 months... Too easy to level, and boring once you max out.
Then I played WoW for a few months.... Too demanding of your time, it'll ruin your life.
After that I played EVE for a few months... As stated before, mining sucks, and so does the economy.
I have now moved on to D&D:O... extremely fun, more quests to choose from than any of the others, and all the great rules and player stats/alterations loved by millions from the real D&D people. I would say forget all the others and go for some Dungeons & Dragons Online: Stormreach (new expansion is comming out soon too *free download*)
 
I have D&D:O as well and it is fun so far, but I wouldnt say it has more quests... nobody has more quests than EQ2 at this point. Of course, just like EQ2, WoW, SWG etc, even D&D:O gets old after a while.

The appeal to most games is when they are new to you. Its something new to do, it can be fun if you let it be. New places to explore, new "classes" to play etc. But after a while it will get old and you will move on to something else.

I played EQ1 for several years from about when it came out, It was good for a long time as I wasnt in the mentality to "level up" faster, or consume the content at blazing speeds. I look back fondly of those days and wish I could do that again.
I did pretty much the same stuff when SWG came out. I took my time, I had a blast. But eventually I got into "grind" mode and it basically messed up that game for me.

The same thing has happened in EQ2, WoW and other games I played. The only advice I can give anyone starting to play a new MMO is to SLOW DOWN. The game will get old and bore you if you do nothing but try to level up asap.
 
Eve is one of the few games where the developers allow you to buy 1 month, 90 day, etc time cards with in game currency.. That has to be worth someting...
 
Ive played both, both have there ups and downs, but Wow can be played by a kid within a few hours, Eve ( when i played ) if you didnt do the tuturial, you had no idea what you were doing.
 
I need to try EVE.

In regards to WoW all i can say is its enjoyable if:
1. You're playinhg with people you know and you enjoy their company.
2. You're playing with people who know what they are doing.
3. You have some say in the guild you're playing in, especially if its end game.
4. You like killing shit for hours on end.

All i know is that people say that WoW is for the casual gamer, this is true if that gamer doesn't mind never seeing end game or gearing up past ok gear. Otherwise you have to dedicate 4 hours of life 4 times a week for end game or 8 hours a day of PvPing to gear up there. You can make money by farming a lot but money loses its value once you're at 60 unless you use it to twink alts. I have learned that if you really want to enjoy the game you have to try end game, and to do that you have to be hardcore. Its casual in the sense that you can be a moron to learn how to play but getting "over the hump" and into endgame is not a casual thing.

Thats my 2 cents.

oh and i bet there aren't many 12 year old homophobic players all over the place in EVE.
 
This game appeals to older people, seems most of the players in Eve are in their 20's and 30's, and I've met quite a few people up in their 50's also.

Eve requires a bit of intelligence and patience to be a good player. If you are traveling through low security systems, you need to plan ahead and out-wit the player pirates to avoid getting caught and destroyed. Avoiding pirates or taking them on can be really exciting, especially in a group.

There are many other paths to take in Eve, missions, trading, PvPing, npc ratting, mining whatever you like doing.
Oh and for the people that are whining about how the game sucked and takes no intelligence, becuase all they did was mine in high security systems. It is your own fault YOU made it suck yourself.

May I suggest though, if you are new to Eve and like some action. Don't stay in the high security systems for your whole eve life. Explore outwards into low security and the lawless outskirts of the galaxy. Perferrably with a corporation that likes to explore.


Also check out these videos, they sold me into playing this game.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/
 
I have tried everything, the ONLY thing that kept me from going back to Counter-Strike/Source was WoW. Say what you want, but any game that makes ME give up CS is pretty damn good IMHO.

WoW is awesome as long as you have a good guild.
 
I started the WoW section of my clan, many of the people in WoW I've been playing games with for years. We are one of the top horde guilds on our server. I've still gone back to playing Eve. My personal life cannot take a game that requires me to sit at it for 5 hours straight to complete end game instances, that's what WoW requires of you, sure you can pick up and gank for 30 minutes but it's never much of a challenge.


Just ignore the mining in Eve and it's all good. Hell if you're starting in the game convo me and I'll chuck you a couple of million isk so you don't have to mine in the beginning. Just take that money, complete the tutorial followed by the mission chain at the end and you'll have a few more million. Then go and start doing the NPC missions and you're away. You'll be richer than your skills can handle for quite a while and by the time you get to that level you can join a 0.0 corp and make real money.

Convo Iratus Caelestis if you have any questions or want to take me up on my offer.
 
I would go with WoW. Play wow for 6 months and have some fun.

I played eve for 13 months. I did a lot of fun things but it was like a second job. I saved up enough to buy a battleship and then stopped playing.

One thing that always bugged me about eve was that the markets where "dumb". They would 'reset' every week or so and then do the same thing. They hired all these Phds in caos theory to develope the game. They should have also hired an econ phd to design a live market. Maybe they have fixed this by now, but when I played the market wasnt dynamic or alive it was dumb and dead.

I will play EvE 2 or play some higher form of it someday...
 
The market is deliberately dumb on the NPC side because the NPC's aren't supposed to do anything but control inflation. The players do everything else. It's the tenant it's founded on.

All the items that have fixed prices are those that have inelastic demand, this was combined with a set price limit on Tritanium (the source of everything) that it can't go above (because you can then generate it for that price by selling shuttles) Everything that's producable, like ships etc has a dynamic price. If its just an NPC trade good then it has that fixed price and demand to stop hyper inflation of other base items.

You probably left when the mining market died because of instance changes and so BS prices went up to like 130m isk. They altered mining to give better returns now and so the prices have all dropped back down (lower than ever actually). It was just a blip


The only problem EvE now has with its economy is that the Tech2 (advanced ships for non eve players) market is being screwed over because the population of Eve doubled in 12 months and they still haven't allowed for an increased production of these Tech2 items, so the price has gone up horrificly.

At the end of the day a Battleship costs 100 million isk. I can make that in 2 hours doing missions or 1 hour mining. As I lose a battleship a month on average moneys hardly an issue. If you don't do PvP then you will never lose that battleship unless you're a nompty.
 
Save your money until September, then buy Warhammer Online, Games Workshop rocks that game will be sweet :D
 
WoW is great for casual gamers up to 60. Once you hit 60 unless you have the time to devote to a raiding guild you quite literally cannot get top tier gear. Regardless of whether you grind PvP for faction and rank to get the PvP rewards or you sit in instances with 39 other people you are going to spend a lot of time getting gear.

While it's true that the more established guilds can tackle MC, BWL, AQ20, and ZG in single nights, it took a long time for them to gear up their members to be able to pull that off. Most guilds, especially those that will recruit a fresh level 60 are not going to be able to pull off single night clears. You're looking at lots of wipes while you learn the fights and probably 2 or 3 nights to clear instances.

Don't get me wrong, WoW is a blast to play. However, if you want endgame gear and don't have the time to devote to it, don't bother. It's impossible to be decked out in epics unless you have time to devote to playing the game.

Another thing you should consider is your schedule. Most guilds have established raiding schedules and they do each instance a particular night of the week. As such, if you work late or don't know whether you'll be able to commit to the schedule you probably won't last too long in a high end raiding guild.
 
that story is CRAZY. lol mad funny to read, i stayed yest till like 3 AM reading all of it. i wonder if EVE implemented anything to thwart further schemes like that?


ghostchamber said:
I haven't played Eve, although this story makes me want to.

http://static.circa1984.com/the-big-scam.html

It's extremely long, but well worth the read. It basically tells of a massive scandal pulled by an Eve player, and it is quite impressive.

At any rate, I played WoW for about a year. Great game, and I'd still be playing if I had time to. I've heard Eve is fantastic, but appeals much more to hardcore gamers. As we all know, WoW is pretty casual friendly.
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One Good and Bad thing about EvE is death penalty..

When your ship blows up, it blows up. Nothing left. Poof. a few items you had equiped, and some of the cargo may survive, but thats all. You don't just spawn and bang your head into the same big mob over and over.

The best part of this is PvP. You kill an enemy, they die. They have to go get another ship, equip it, and fly it back to the fight. In SWG people would just spawn die spawn die like 200 times in a hour. That doesn't work in EvE, enless you are damn rich. a high end Battleship with all T2 equipment costs easily 200 million isk, and you can lose 4-5 a day if not careful.

Don't forget insurance. It will pay for the ship, but not the equipment.
 
If you lost 4-5 BS's in a day you really suck :p


Saying that when our corp took Outer Ring off Norad we had a 7.5 hour fleet battle against the occupants of the region and I had 3 or 4 kill mails for some people. It was like whack-a-rat
 
My corp just left FIX, and we have had at least 6 months of constant war against up to 5,000 people at a time.

You haven't lived till you have been in a 36 hour fight, with 150+ in gang the whole time.

At the great Easter Egg hunt along we killed 390 ships and lost 130 in a 24 hour period, and most of the loss was the final BoB fleet. Bloody wankers waited till Monday morning GMT and our Euro players headed to work! :)
 
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