6800 Ultra vs 7800gs

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NHT

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Im currently using an evga 6800 ultra but being that Im doing agp, I have to stick to upgrading to the 7800gs which is also agp. I cant really upgrade my mobo because unforturnately Im using a socket 478 p4 so I have little options.

So how much better is the 7800gs compared to the 6800 ultra? If it is substantially better which manufacturer makes the best 7800gs? THanks for any input.
 
lloose said:
you will hardly see any gain at all.
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like 5-10fps MAX, its a joke really...nvidia are dicks and they should have released a full fledged GTX or close equiv card
 
paranoia4422 said:
like 5-10fps MAX, its a joke really...nvidia are dicks and they should have released a full fledged GTX or close equiv card
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QFT...not worth it at all.
 
Nvidia arent "dicks", in fact NV is smart for picking the GS as THE card they release into AGP.

Assume they were only going to release ONE card as AGP. Now, also think about who actually is the type of person to stick with AGP rather than pay another $100 for a PCI-E mobo. The type of ppl that are going to stick to AGP boards are probably and mostly people who can't afford to get a 7800GTX. Much less a 7800GTX AGP which would be much more rare than a PCI-E version which would drive the price through the roof.

There is no reason to put out 7800GTX's into AGP although it would be nice, because later on when AGP cards become something of a novelty we can pull out the 7800GTXs.

Assuming those things are true ^^ up there before my babbling began, you will see that it isnt so crazy to release a cheaper, more economical card into AGP.

~Adam
 
Stick with the 6800U. You'll see less than a 5% difference, except in your wallet.
 
wow...what a surprise. I was getting ready to plop down for the 7800gs. Im glad i asked you guys first. Are there benchmarks or comparisons that you can link to me?
 
CleanSlate said:
Nvidia arent "dicks", in fact NV is smart for picking the GS as THE card they release into AGP.

Assume they were only going to release ONE card as AGP. Now, also think about who actually is the type of person to stick with AGP rather than pay another $100 for a PCI-E mobo. The type of ppl that are going to stick to AGP boards are probably and mostly people who can't afford to get a 7800GTX. Much less a 7800GTX AGP which would be much more rare than a PCI-E version which would drive the price through the roof.

There is no reason to put out 7800GTX's into AGP although it would be nice, because later on when AGP cards become something of a novelty we can pull out the 7800GTXs.

Assuming those things are true ^^ up there before my babbling began, you will see that it isnt so crazy to release a cheaper, more economical card into AGP.

~Adam
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you need to replace your powersupply with that new motherboard to......oh and if you were planning on upgradeing something else your out that extra money instead of spending it on preformence

no reason why they cant release all pci-e card with agp bridge chips, 7800gs was a pointless release when its hardly preforming better then a 6800ultra...im more then willing to dump money into a 7800gtx...granted i want to buy more ram to and i cant afford EITHER when i need a new motherboard and powersupply + a video card for it to work
 
paranoia4422 said:
you need to replace your powersupply with that new motherboard to......oh and if you were planning on upgradeing something else your out that extra money instead of spending it on preformence

no reason why they cant release all pci-e card with agp bridge chips, 7800gs was a pointless release when its hardly preforming better then a 6800ultra...im more then willing to dump money into a 7800gtx...granted i want to buy more ram to and i cant afford EITHER when i need a new motherboard and powersupply + a video card for it to work
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The 7800GS is essentially useless; it's trying to cater to an enthusiast market which is already moving to PCI-e. The only people I believe shuold be interested in the GS are those that are for one reason or another tethered to their motherboards/AGP. For example: $300 will net you a 7800gs, and decent performance. However, for ~$50 more, you'll be able to buy a 7800GT AND a PCI-e motherboard, getting you better performance than the 7800GS, and an upgrade path to boot. Now I know that $50 isn't nothing, but lets be honest, if you're willing to pay $300 for a video card, you're looking for performance, and another week's worth of waiting is more than worth the performance gain.

By the way, you don't have to replace your PSU because you're moving to PCI-e.
 
quadnad said:
The 7800GS is essentially useless; it's trying to cater to an enthusiast market which is already moving to PCI-e. The only people I believe shuold be interested in the GS are those that are for one reason or another tethered to their motherboards/AGP. For example: $300 will net you a 7800gs, and decent performance. However, for ~$50 more, you'll be able to buy a 7800GT AND a PCI-e motherboard, getting you better performance than the 7800GS, and an upgrade path to boot. Now I know that $50 isn't nothing, but lets be honest, if you're willing to pay $300 for a video card, you're looking for performance, and another week's worth of waiting is more than worth the performance gain.

By the way, you don't have to replace your PSU because you're moving to PCI-e.
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but what if somebody has an enthusiasts motherboard and a equiv pci one would run over $100...especially to guarentee itll hold the CPU overclock i run, plus still another $80-100 for a good powersupply to replace my reliable one

oh i still need a motherboard with onboard 5.1 and gigabit ethernet firewire and usb2.0
 
paranoia4422 said:
but what if somebody has an enthusiasts motherboard and a equiv pci one would run over $100...especially to guarentee itll hold the CPU overclock i run, plus still another $80-100 for a good powersupply to replace my reliable one

oh i still need a motherboard with onboard 5.1 and gigabit ethernet firewire and usb2.0
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How about selling your old motherboard and video card? BTW, unless you're running SLI, you can get a reliable PSU for far less than $80-100 (example), but as I mentioned earlier, you won't need to change PSUs for the new motherboard. There are adapters sold that convert molex to PCI-e connectors.

Moral is that the difference paid is far less than the performance gained.
 
7800GS is pointless to most consumers, but from a marketing standpoint, it's a smart move by nVidia. However, if you're stuck on AGP, you should probably only consider it if you're still using a GeForce FX/GeForce 4/GeForce 3 card.
 
CleanSlate said:
Nvidia arent "dicks", in fact NV is smart for picking the GS as THE card they release into AGP.

Assume they were only going to release ONE card as AGP. Now, also think about who actually is the type of person to stick with AGP rather than pay another $100 for a PCI-E mobo. The type of ppl that are going to stick to AGP boards are probably and mostly people who can't afford to get a 7800GTX. Much less a 7800GTX AGP which would be much more rare than a PCI-E version which would drive the price through the roof.

There is no reason to put out 7800GTX's into AGP although it would be nice, because later on when AGP cards become something of a novelty we can pull out the 7800GTXs.

Assuming those things are true ^^ up there before my babbling began, you will see that it isnt so crazy to release a cheaper, more economical card into AGP.

~Adam
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I, in fact, am that type of person. I'm fine with my AGP mobo and see no reason to upgrade to PCI-E in the immediate future. Also, in the case of people with certain AGP Intel mobos, a mobo upgrade means a CPU and RAM upgrade as well (to LGA775 and DDR2 respectively). I can afford a new video card but when it comes to upgrading the CPU and RAM, it's a little different. The only reason I can see why nVidia released the 7800GS is so that they can get people to switch over to the shiny new mobos with the nVidia chipsets... seriously... people will be like, "Oh yes! 7800GS! I'll buy it!" Then, seeing that they aren't getting squat over a 6800Ultra, they go buy a new mobo under the perceived notion that AGP can't handle modern games (which is false).
My thought is this: nVidia made the right move if all they wanted to do is make people switch over to PCI-E and make bundles of cash. However, if they wanted to make their customers happy, then they should have released an AGP 7800GTX. I probably would have picked up one of those.
 
You guys continually suggest new mobo and video card but in my case, I cant do that because I am stuck with a fricken socket 478 p4 that is impossible to find a pci e board for and if I do want to upgrade my board that would mean I would have to do a processor upgrade. And if I do a processor and mobo upgrade I would have to upgrade the ram and then the video card. That is like a whole new computer to replace the one I just built a year ago with little research. This is just a luxury I cannot afford right now....this bites.
 
NHT said:
You guys continually suggest new mobo and video card but in my case, I cant do that because I am stuck with a fricken socket 478 p4 that is impossible to find a pci e board for and if I do want to upgrade my board that would mean I would have to do a processor upgrade. And if I do a processor and mobo upgrade I would have to upgrade the ram and then the video card. That is like a whole new computer to replace the one I just built a year ago with little research. This is just a luxury I cannot afford right now....this bites.
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So then, you might be one of the few to whom this card makes sense, though with that 6800ultra it might make more sense to stick with it for a while...you're not going to see much of a performance difference for the cash.
 
quadnad said:
How about selling your old motherboard and video card? BTW, unless you're running SLI, you can get a reliable PSU for far less than $80-100 (example), but as I mentioned earlier, you won't need to change PSUs for the new motherboard. There are adapters sold that convert molex to PCI-e connectors.

Moral is that the difference paid is far less than the performance gained.
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Is the AX450-PN quiet? I've been looking at what 24pin/PCI-E PSU to buy for my new system, and as long as it's AS quiet or quieter than my Enermax 475W Noisetaker, I'll be happy.

Of course, quieter would be a plus =D.
 
Mav451 said:
Is the AX450-PN quiet? I've been looking at what 24pin/PCI-E PSU to buy for my new system, and as long as it's AS quiet or quieter than my Enermax 475W Noisetaker, I'll be happy.

Of course, quieter would be a plus =D.
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Well, I can say that it's damn quiet at least in my case (P180). It's got a 120mm on the bottom, and I can't hear the PSU at all. I do not however know how loud the enermax is though, so I can't really compare.

For a point of reference, the case is under my desk next to my legs.
 
Well, there's always this route: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123257

Socket 754 w/ PCIe, sell your old mobo/6800U and buy a 7800 GT. Your CPU/RAM will work on this one, and you can go SLI later on.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...TR14=&ATTR16=&ATTR17=&ATTR18=&ATTR19=&ATTR20=

Here's 26 more Socket 754/PCIe boards with a single x16 PCIe slot. Pick and choose which one will hold that OC on your Sempron (since I don't know dick about CPU OC'ing) and you'll be set.
 
Mav451 said:
Well the Enermax 475 Noisetaker is a dual (92mm, 80mm) PSU. It did "ok" at SilentPCReview. There's a review of it, along with the FSP400;

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article149-page4.html
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article280-page5.html (the closest to the 450W i guess...)
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Yeah I don't know about that FSP review....that's their "green" series, so I'm not sure how they stack up in comparison. All I can say is that I've got very stable rails across the board, and while the thing isn't pretty, it certainly does its job nicely and quietly.
 
Want an opinion, I've got a Radeon 9800SE (softmodded runs faster than the PRO model) running on an Athlon XP 2500+ (overclocked to 3200+ speeds).

I can get a 6800GS for $25 or a 7800GS for $100. DIdn't know how much I would notice the extra $75 when playing games.

I mainly play BF2 right now, looking into picking up UT or FarCry.
 
extremefire said:
Want an opinion, I've got a Radeon 9800SE (softmodded runs faster than the PRO model) running on an Athlon XP 2500+ (overclocked to 3200+ speeds).

I can get a 6800GS for $25 or a 7800GS for $100. DIdn't know how much I would notice the extra $75 when playing games.

I mainly play BF2 right now, looking into picking up UT or FarCry.
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I don't think its much of a contest in your case. The 6800GS, unlocked and overclocked is a 6800GT essentially. Just go for it. BTW, grab me a 7800GS and ship it to me and I'll send you $$$! I'm not joking....PM me if thats an honest price, and we can work something out...

Even if I won't see much of a boost from my overclocked 6800GT, at even twice that price I'll actually make money by selling my 6800GT and buying that card.....
 
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