X1900 coming Jan. 25, 2006?

Chris_B said:
Dunno why everyone practically shites themselves about .net and the cat control center. last i checked nvidia have to go that route as well soon enough. Ive had zero problems with the ccc and don't find it a hinderance as so many seem to do.
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Only problem with it is trying to install a 9250 on grandma's computer. Grandma has a 26k dialup connection. That 23meg .NET download took forever. If it's going to be required, would be nice to include it on the driver disk or something- or maybe put a note on the box that you'll have to install it. Drivers refused to install correctly without it.

Making .NET required is a bad move (if microsoft driven). More fuel on the monopoly fire IMO.

As far as the die size, this has got to mean they've put something else on the die- aside from the additional *shader somethings*- I can think of nothing better for them to do than get some of the transistors that are currently in the 5 chips that together make up crossfire on die. Unless they come up with some kind of AA or HDR shader or something.
 
Nidhogg said:
that has nothing to do with the R580 being or not being a 16 pipe card

the X1800 has 16 ROPs and 16 pipes

why cant a 16 pipe card just do more work per pipe? if the R580 is 16 pipes and clocked the same as a X1800XT that doesnt mean it wont be faster.
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Fine but then we shouldn't be calling Nvidia 24 pipes. That's my problem. 7800 has 16 ROPS also. But it has 24 "shader processors". The same thing you call pipes on X1800. The same thing R580 has 48 of.

We're using differing meanings of pipes. But I agree, it doesn't matter to the benchmarks whether we call R580 16 or 48.

I think people need to be very clear what they're calling pipes, but you cant win by calling ROPS pipes or something. If that's the case 7800 is 16 pipes.

I just notice a mass trend by sites to try to short ATI on this all the sudden, I guess. They're 48 pipes but nobody will come out and say that. They keep calling them "shader processors" or some term they never used before, as if to denote something new and weaker. But they aren't new or weaker.
 
But they're not pipes, they're ALUs. The R580 has 16 pixel pipelines, but each pipeline has 3 ALUs compared to the R520's 1.

Calling a ROP a pipeline is valid, since it stands for Render Output Pipeline. But, I don't believe you can classify ALUs as pipes. Note that "pipes" is most commonly referring to the number of pixel pipelines.
 
Sc4freak said:
But they're not pipes, they're ALUs. The R580 has 16 pixel pipelines, but each pipeline has 3 ALUs compared to the R520's 1.

Calling a ROP a pipeline is valid, since it stands for Render Output Pipeline. But, I don't believe you can classify ALUs as pipes. Note that "pipes" is most commonly referring to the number of pixel pipelines.
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How do you know they're ALU's? Link?

And what do you mean by pixel pipeline?

And why did sites call R520 a 16 pipe card?

And why was 7800 a 24 pipe card?

Each R520 pipe had two ALU's, just like each R580 pipe has two ALU's.

You're using contradicting terminology. If ATI pipes are one ALU then so are Nvidia's, in which case you're back to 48 for R580.

Each shader pipe is a unit of two ALU's.
 
Sharky974 said:
Fine but then we shouldn't be calling Nvidia 24 pipes. That's my problem. 7800 has 16 ROPS also. But it has 24 "shader processors". The same thing you call pipes on X1800. The same thing R580 has 48 of.

We're using differing meanings of pipes. But I agree, it doesn't matter to the benchmarks whether we call R580 16 or 48.

I think people need to be very clear what they're calling pipes, but you cant win by calling ROPS pipes or something. If that's the case 7800 is 16 pipes.

I just notice a mass trend by sites to try to short ATI on this all the sudden, I guess. They're 48 pipes but nobody will come out and say that. They keep calling them "shader processors" or some term they never used before, as if to denote something new and weaker. But they aren't new or weaker.
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the g70 has 48 shader processors/ALU's, but its not a 48 pipe card.

Pipes are just a way of orgnization for the most part. In the past, 1 pipe could do 1 operation at any given time. That has changed from the gf 6 for nV and now for ATi with the rv530.
 
fallguy said:
Why do you say it wont be out until may? There was rumor it being out in Jan, last month. This isnt new "news".

Looking for NV's next product? Yeah, the 512MB sure it the streets with mass availability.
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What I'm worried about with the X1900 is another X1800/Crossfire type scenario where it keeps getting delayed and tweaked. :(
 
whats to worry? it apears ATI won't have anything obvious right now to set them back, they got their PCB issue fixed with the x1800 (which was the problem, it wasn't them tweaking it, was from failing cores), ram really isn't an issue from the pic's at HKEP it seems to be using the same ram, other rumors also say its been in production for a while now

apart from the rumor there really isn't anything keeping the X1900 from hitting the market, CF? probably, ATI wasn't keen on this product from the start but they still want to have the performance of it out there
 
Sharky974 said:
How do you know they're ALU's? Link?

And what do you mean by pixel pipeline?

And why did sites call R520 a 16 pipe card?

And why was 7800 a 24 pipe card?

Each R520 pipe had two ALU's, just like each R580 pipe has two ALU's.

You're using contradicting terminology. If ATI pipes are one ALU then so are Nvidia's, in which case you're back to 48 for R580.

Each shader pipe is a unit of two ALU's.
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Quite an old thread, but I think the information is still relevant.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25802
 
I highly doubt it will be faster than 2 7800gt in sli which will more likely cost less. Heck I doubt it will even be as fast as a 7800 512mb version but who knows all speculation. Anyways I hope ati makes it badass. I could care less if its ati, nividia, matrox, sis, whatever just make the cards faster and better and the best/cost card for performace is what I purchase. Currently I feel the 7800gt is the best cost/performance card.
And for reply a few posts up tell yoru grandmother to get adsl for 10-14 bucks a month and drop the anolog modem geez dont get mad at ati nor nvidia because in my opinion they have small 20-40mb driver downloads
 
it will be faster than a 512 GTX ....that's not even debatable.

hell the 1800XT is not far behind the 512 GTX in it's worst performing benches and most of the time it can keep up with it just fine.......and once overclocking comes into the equation the XT is a MUCH better buy than the nvidia card and it's available to buy ....and much cheaper :)

i don't know why ppl rag on the 1800XT ....it's got loads of headroom for o/c, is available to buy and is at a nice price
 
Shane said:
And for reply a few posts up tell yoru grandmother to get adsl for 10-14 bucks a month and drop the anolog modem geez dont get mad at ati nor nvidia because in my opinion they have small 20-40mb driver downloads
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Well, aside from the fact that grandma lives in the country 50 miles from the nearest McDonalds- I never said anything about being "mad"
The bottom line is they can put it on the side of the box, along with the other requirements- if they're going to make it required. Is there a good reason for them not to?
 
Rollo said:
What I'm worried about with the X1900 is another X1800/Crossfire type scenario where it keeps getting delayed and tweaked. :(
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And you have a reason for this worry?
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I think hes saying that hes worried that it might happen, not that hes saying it as a matter of fact
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A person can worry about any host of things, but you generally need a reason to do so.
 
John Reynolds said:
A person can worry about any host of things, but you generally need a reason to do so.
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unfortunatly thats not true, as ATI in the past has given said person a reason to worry!
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
unfortunatly thats not true, as ATI in the past has given said person a reason to worry!
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Every company has given a reason to worry if a person wants to fret over this stuff (AMD has fumbled, Intel, NVIDIA, ATI, etc.). Insinuating that R580, contrary to all the rumors and in-the-know hints from people that it's coming along swimmingly, could be a repeat of R520's delay without any valid reason simply strikes me as FUD. Oh, my, I'm worried G71 might be another FX disaster for NVIDIA. . . .
 
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