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If you knew, then why ask?Big Fat Duck said:i tried posting a thread in "operating systems" about disabling services faster, but i just got flamed by people saying that disabling them does nothing.. but i know for a fact that my 700 mhz computer with 128 megs of ram needs most of them disabled otherwise it takes forever to accomplish tasks
H3d Case said:yes but does it matter if i use a media center pc?
All the people who have had issues diagnosed by Ranma_Sao going through their crash logs might beg to differ.Super Mario said:Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing. Heck, I think it is a good idea for eveyrone to disable Error Reporting. Honestly what good does such a service like Error Reporting going to do for the average home user?? It is more of a spy gadget as far as I am concerned. No one should be reproting system crash data to Microsoft!
KoolDrew said:Don't even bother with disabling services. With computers today with sufficient amount of RAM there is no need to. If a service is not being used, it will use no CPU time and Windows will reclaim its memory as needed.
Just ignore morons like Blackviper.
Actually, it can and it does. It gets paged out to the hard drive. We've had thread after thread after thread on this (and most of them get locked), but the evidenced consensus has always been that widespread service tweaking nets no meaningful performance gains past startup.eeyrjmr said:How is it going to reclaim memory if it is still running? - IT cant!!!!! cause it is running
j00 = sp34k teh truth!!!lomn75 said:Actually, it can and it does. It gets paged out to the hard drive. We've had thread after thread after thread on this (and most of them get locked), but the evidenced consensus has always been that widespread service tweaking nets no meaningful performance gains past startup.
Here's one of the better summaries; I'm not going to waste further time dredging up the others. Search "service performance" in this forum and you'll find plenty of stuff.
lomn75 said:Actually, it can and it does. It gets paged out to the hard drive. We've had thread after thread after thread on this (and most of them get locked), but the evidenced consensus has always been that widespread service tweaking nets no meaningful performance gains past startup.
Here's one of the better summaries; I'm not going to waste further time dredging up the others. Search "service performance" in this forum and you'll find plenty of stuff.
KoolDrew said:Just ignore morons like Blackviper.
I apologize Super Mario, but this is the stupidest quote I have ever linked. How do you think Microsoft fixes all those bugs you see fixed in Service packs? Usually from watson reports. How do you think MS was able to point the finger at the video card companies for causing over half the crashes in all of windows? Through watson reporting. I have debugged 100's of watson reports, if not thousands, and it has lead to some neat bugs that I could never ever cause as a tester, since it required Some App, Some magic, Some new CPU I didn't even have when testing Windows XP in 2000.Super Mario said:Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing. Heck, I think it is a good idea for eveyrone to disable Error Reporting. Honestly what good does such a service like Error Reporting going to do for the average home user?? It is more of a spy gadget as far as I am concerned. No one should be reproting system crash data to Microsoft!
If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt be disabling anything...SkaarjMaster said:"Disabling services is a good thing if you know what your doing."
Are we talking about the same person....?SkaarjMaster said:I agree with this statement and if people want to waste their time disabling services they won't ever need then let them. Blackviper is not a moron and he provides a valuable service to the community.
You philosophy isnt wrong.SkaarjMaster said:I appreciate that M$ has all these services available for people that want them, but some don't and need some disabled for their systems to run better. My philosophy is if it doesn't need to run on my computer, then it gets disabled or just doesn't run. I'm keeping Error Reporting disabled on my computer.
If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt be disabling anything...
2) Services not being used get paged... Once paged they don't use RAM... So disabling ErrorReportingServices for example, not only doesnt help, it actually hinders your computer.
Because MS wants to spy on you, right?Super Mario said:That is complete BS. So give me one example of how disabling Error Reporting hinder your computer?? That is such a ridiculous statement. Maybe disabling it doesn't help performance much, but did you ever think of the fact that some people don't want spy infested gadgets running? Nothing depends on such a meaningless service expect for sending crash data to Microsoft or someone else. I HATE Error Reporting and it is a service that anyone can safely disable unless they are in the minority few who actually like to submit private crash data from their PC to Microsoft. Not very appealing to many people I assume to being pressured to constantly having their PC talk to MS..
1) I blabbed it out in response to him disabling for performance. If you got to read my previous post (to the one you are mentioning) you would have seen item 3.Super Mario said:Disabling services strictly for performance gain is not a good idea. But to come off and say that disabling any service is a bad idea if you know what your doing is a completely arrogant and false accusation to blab out at everyone else.
Ok. If the "masses that don't know anything about computers" should stear clear of QuackDiaper and "the few and the proud who know" don't really want to get anywhere near that idiot.SkaarjMaster said:Everyone has an opinion. I just don't like any service running that I don't need. I just can't believe you guys are trashing Blackviper like that when he provides a valuable service to the community. People can read his site and make up their own minds what they want to do. OK, so this issue has been beaten to death, except for the fact that the majority opinion is narrow-minded and for the masses that don't know anything about computers.
There are no "barebone" services. At some point or the other dependancies will become a problem on an "service disabled" computer...SkaarjMaster said:Please don't insult me with your "holier than thou" "If you really knew what you were doing, you wouldnt be disabling anything..." attitude. If you can't even acknowledge that disabling some services is a good thing, then really what kind of service are you providing to the community. I know what I'm doing and I choose to disable some services. I'm not even close to the "barebones" services running either, just some that I don't need. I've said my peace.
SkaarjMaster said:Goodbye.
Weren't you leaving....?SkaarjMaster said:OK, I just read the FAQ thing people referred to and I think Audiochris said it best:
"Good write up. Here's my take on the whole disabling services thing. If it works for you... that's great. Your computer, your business. I personally don't see the advantages. For my everyday use the defaults are just fine."
I agree that security is probably the best reason, but there are others as well. Personally, I like to have control of my computer and this is my way of doing this and it makes me feel better about my computing experience. I don't like much of the automated stuff that has crept into the computing world over the past few years and try to set everything the way I want it. For instance, I have wireless and UPS services both disabled. If and when I need them, then I will enable them. Since the FAQ is about 2.5 months old, let's just all agree to disagree and that would be fine with me.
Because MS wants to spy on you, right?
They don't intend to help or improve their OS... All they want is your .net passport password and a way to hack into your gmail account...
SkaarjMaster said:So, how does disabling Error Reporting Service actually hinder a computer's performance? Can someone please enlighten me with links?
If you don't trust them then why are you running their operating system? If microsoft really wanted to spy on you then I'm sure they could figure out a way to do it without using the error reporting system.Super Mario said:Yes, I suspect MS does want to spy on you. They have been caught doing so in the past, and I don't trust them.
Even if they don't want to spy on you, I DO NOT want Error Report submission dialog boxes coming up when ever a program crashes or I encounter a critical system error. I can disable certain services to prevent certain things from coming up that I hate. So disabling services is a good thing to stop your OS from doing things you hate as long as you know what your doing.
jpmkm said:If you don't trust them then why are you running their operating system? If microsoft really wanted to spy on you then I'm sure they could figure out a way to do it without using the error reporting system.
SkaarjMaster said:Anyone have a zipped version of the Threats and Countermeasures Guide? Why does it have to be an .exe?
Well lookie here...Super Mario said:I DO NOT want Error Report submission dialog boxes coming up when ever a program crashes or I encounter a critical system error. I can disable certain services to prevent certain things from coming up that I hate. So disabling services is a good thing to stop your OS from doing things you hate as long as you know what your doing.