Anandtech has reviews of the AMD 64 X2 on their website.

maleficarus said:
I would rate it to its cycle speed. a 2.2 Dual Core just like Intel does (or has). All this PR+ is misleading it really is. Just like you said mybe not in that game but problay in that app. Thats so wishy-washy it isn't even funny. Rate it what it really is. If its a 2.2GHz chip then its a 2.2GHz chip. None of this PR+3400+ crap... AMD switched to PR+ for the simple fact they could not keep up to Intel's speed cycles. ANd anyone with half a brain can see that too.
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yeah, because intel has shitty get-no-work-done-at-all cycles.

btw, in cycle speeds, AMD rapes intel. in pure clocks, intel rapes AMD. different ball part buddy, i doubt theyre gonna start rating chips by their IPC
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maleficarus said:
I would rate it to its cycle speed. a 2.2 Dual Core just like Intel does (or has). All this PR+ is misleading it really is. Just like you said mybe not in that game but problay in that app. Thats so wishy-washy it isn't even funny. Rate it what it really is. If its a 2.2GHz chip then its a 2.2GHz chip. None of this PR+3400+ crap... AMD switched to PR+ for the simple fact they could not keep up to Intel's speed cycles. ANd anyone with half a brain can see that too.
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Uhh, cycle speeds? you must be out of your mind, kid. IPC, do you know what that stands for? Probably not. AMD chose to keep their IPC at a constant level, whereas Intel washed theirs out for marketing because the consumer watched the MHz (then GHz as shit progressed). Cycle for cycle, AMD owns Intel because of the IPC. Oh, and last I checked, Intel stopped labeling by clock cycles.
 
summary = tsuehpsyde and lithium are right ;)

more verbose: if you don't like how amd name their cpu's, think of a better way and email it to them. see how i made that whole post? i took the first step instead of complaining about it. :D
 
maleficarus said:
I would rate it to its cycle speed. a 2.2 Dual Core just like Intel does (or has). All this PR+ is misleading it really is. Just like you said mybe not in that game but problay in that app. Thats so wishy-washy it isn't even funny. Rate it what it really is. If its a 2.2GHz chip then its a 2.2GHz chip. None of this PR+3400+ crap... AMD switched to PR+ for the simple fact they could not keep up to Intel's speed cycles. ANd anyone with half a brain can see that too.
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But your missing the fact. AMD's 1.8ghz processor is just as fast as Intel's 3.0ghz. Yeah, AMD couldnt keep up with the Ghz race, but it sure as hell used a better method of gaining performace. That Ghz race Intel won is now starting to bite them in the ass. That's why they came out with misleading model numbers. Of course you seem to be totally blind by that fact some how.
 
I see that this thread has fallen to the level of ad hominem. Nice. Can't anyone make a comment without throwing in a personal jab at the end? It's tactless and adds unnecessary rebuttal posts that we don't need in this thread.
 
Well, when someone holds something as a fact and it's incorrect, yes. But hey, that's just me. Especially when they give me one of these: :rolleyes:
 
That's not fair...he edited that after I sig'd it. So, I don't have to edit mine. :p I won't do it!
 
tsuehpsyde said:
That is sig'd :D
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The n00b just dosent know what hes talking about thats all.

He is haveing a hard time with the PR being 4800+ when no software is coded for it. what the hell does that have to do with hardware? This is marketing... something he probly know nothing about, hes probly 13 anyway...

What should it be called then? The "Athlon 64 x2 4000+ until Software is multithreaded then its 4800+ processor"

Thats a long name.....
 
xonik, that happens sometimes around here. it seems to be happening more often that usual though, presumably because more people are visiting to read up on revE and dual core.
plus tsuehpsyde and i are quite similar in the regards that we correct people who state something false. even if we mean well, hard feelings sometimes arise :(


tsuehpsyde said:
That is sig'd :D
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USMC2Hard4U said:
What should it be called then? The "Athlon 64 x2 4000+ until Software is multithreaded then its 4800+ processor"
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now THAT deserves a sig! may i?
 
tsuehpsyde said:
Uhh, cycle speeds? you must be out of your mind, kid. IPC, do you know what that stands for? Probably not. AMD chose to keep their IPC at a constant level, whereas Intel washed theirs out for marketing because the consumer watched the MHz (then GHz as shit progressed). Cycle for cycle, AMD owns Intel because of the IPC. Oh, and last I checked, Intel stopped labeling by clock cycles.
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Yes I know what IPC is. I've been building PC's since the Pentium dude so please chill out on that. I know what all the crap means and does. I also follow the industry and can remember VERY clearly when AMD had no problem with using MHz/GHz as there main speed system. You remember when AMD hit 1GHz first? If you do you will also have to remember AMD not having a problem with it then right?

Why the change?

Simple. When Intel went Willamette and stretched the pipelines they were able to cycle faster. AMD's tech prevented this. I'm not saying there IPC was worse just there MHz was. You know what that did? Made them look bad on paper. How good does it look when you go to the local best buy and see an AMD 1.6Ghz PC along side an Intel 2.8GHz PC? Looks slow doesn’t it? So AMD comes up with the great idea of PR+ to make there numbers more comparable to Intel. Nothing wrong with that till you come to release it’s a PR+ from game to game and app to app. AKA total BS imo... Hey just my imo on PR+ so don't take it to heart dude...
 
If I had room in mine I'd add it....but I can't (well, don't wanna) take anything else out for that line, but that's a good one. And sig it Eclipse, I do it reguardless if someone lets me. :D I'm a whore.
 
tsuehpsyde said:
Strange, so closely you think AMD is a German based company? Please. :rolleyes:
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Yea funny but I have always thought of them German based. Oh well not a big deal I mean really. Notice you hads nothing to say about my last post?

Nity nite!
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
now THAT deserves a sig! may i?
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You may eclipse... you know the most about AMD processors out of anyone I know, you can do as you wish here ;)
 
maleficarus said:
Yes I know what IPC is. I've been building PC's since the Pentium dude so please chill out on that. I know what all the crap means and does. I also follow the industry and can remember VERY clearly when AMD had no problem with using MHz/GHz as there main speed system. You remember when AMD hit 1GHz first? If you do you will also have to remember AMD not having a problem with it then right?

Why the change?

Simple. When Intel went Willamette and stretched the pipelines they were able to cycle faster. AMD's tech prevented this. I'm not saying there IPC was worse just there MHz was. You know what that did? Made them look bad on paper. How good does it look when you go to the local best buy and see an AMD 1.6Ghz PC along side an Intel 2.8GHz PC? Looks slow doesn’t it? So AMD comes up with the great idea of PR+ to make there numbers more comparable to Intel. Nothing wrong with that till you come to release it’s a PR+ from game to game and app to app. AKA total BS imo... Hey just my imo on PR+ so don't take it to heart dude...
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Then I'd like you to answer this for me. What is your opinon of the new model numbers from Intel. Now that they cant push there processors any further. They can call a 3.2ghz processor an 840, but in a lot of cases the 580 is faster? See, Intel works the same way. At least AMD's makes sense when comparing them to themselves. Intel cant even get that right.....
 
Cycle for cycle, AMD owns Intel because of the IPC
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depends on what instruction, and execution of it. if we are to talk SIMD then amd is not as robust as intel due to the LSU on the athlon 64-clock for clock. athlon 64 2clocks/double precision......intel 1clock/double precision
 
maleficarus said:
Yea funny but I have always thought of them German based. Oh well not a big deal I mean really. Notice you hads nothing to say about my last post?

Nity nite!
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Wtf do you want me to say? OMFG DUDE GREAT OPINION! Yeah, right. Noone seems to be supporting you, but it's okay....everyone's allowed an opinion. Get two people that have the same opinion together and you have a new religion. :rolleyes:

The fact that you've been building PCs for years but think AMD is from Germany shows how much of an idiot you are IMO (watch out, you should know that one) so I don't see much reason to response to your statement of an opinion. But as always, to each their own....

I'm usually better at this eclipse, right? :p
 
where in pa are you?


also, like someone in this forum said the other day..

Amercan Micro Devices ;)
 
Skrying said:
Then I'd like you to answer this for me. What is your opinon of the new model numbers from Intel. Now that they cant push there processors any further. They can call a 3.2ghz processor an 840, but in a lot of cases the 580 is faster? See, Intel works the same way. At least AMD's makes sense when comparing them to themselves. Intel cant even get that right.....
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Intel is even worse! It makes no sense to me other then to try to beat AMD at its own game so to speak. Reverse psychology. For example what looks worse:

2800+
530

Naturally the 530 does right? But when you say a 530 is just as fast as a 2800+ then it looks the other way around. LOL More numbers crap from both really. I wish we could just go back to MHz and GHz simple that way. If you were to really look at it its so misleading and confusing now how can anyone buying a PC that isn't a PC geek have a clue?
 
Halfway between Pittsburgh and Erie in an armpit of a town, lol. And it's Advanced Micro Devices....I'm not sure if you're being funny or serious...but it's a good way for SOME people to remember. :p
 
tsuehpsyde said:
Halfway between Pittsburgh and Erie in an armpit of a town, lol. And it's Advanced Micro Devices....I'm not sure if you're being funny or serious...but it's a good way for SOME people to remember. :p
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yeah yeah i know, someone said american in a different thread :D

i have a amd shirt oin now that says advanced micro devices on it.. i should know lol :p
 
I guess cause all the online reviews always revered to them in Dresden so I just thought Germany lol Oh well I learned something today. Too bad you didn't eh?
 
maleficarus said:
I guess cause all the online reviews always revered to them in Dresden so I just thought Germany lol Oh well I learned something today. Too bad you didn't eh?
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Lmao, is there something I'm supposed to learn? I was already aware most people in the forum with n00bie as their title were idiots. And I also learned people say Nity Nite when Either A. They're gay. B. They're trying to get the last word. or C. Both.

Also, it's kind of hard to LEARN anything when you don't bring shit to the table except opinions and incorrect facts. :rolleyes:
 
well, we all learned about the dual cores today. :cool:

and i will now take out
What should it be called then? The "Athlon 64 x2 4000+ until Software is multithreaded then its 4800+ processor" from my sig so cf can have it :heart:
 
tsuehpsyde said:
Lmao, is there something I'm supposed to learn? I was already aware most people in the forum with n00bie as their title were idiots. And I also learned people say Nity Nite when Either A. They're gay. B. They're trying to get the last word. or C. Both.

Also, it's kind of hard to LEARN anything when you don't bring shit to the table except opinions and incorrect facts. :rolleyes:
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LOL! Incorrect facts? Your the master-mind claiming PR+ means powar! gimme a break you dolt...You fire off terms like IPC..ohhhh ahhh...thinking I need to bow to your powar...

:cool:
 
mpcamer1220 said:
well, we all learned about the dual cores today. :cool:

and i will now take out
What should it be called then? The "Athlon 64 x2 4000+ until Software is multithreaded then its 4800+ processor" from my sig so cf can have it :heart:
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Hahah you both can have it, shit I thouhgt It was pretty funny.
 
mpcamer1220 said:
where in pa are you?


also, like someone in this forum said the other day..

Amercan Micro Devices ;)
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dude, one of my old work buddies said that

"ive always liked american micro devices". i never let him hear the end of that
 
Anway, on an off the wall thought. I had this come to my head:

Eclipse is there any chance you played SOFII for clan CF? Lol, I know that sounds weird, but if so, I'm |7|ChemicalWarrior.

Okay everyone, go on with business, dont take notice at Skrying being crazy. :eek:
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
Hahah you both can have it, shit I thouhgt It was pretty funny.
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nah im alright :p i just took it because i saw cf ask. i just wanted to beat him.. but it was pretty funny..


Nity Nite tsuehpsyde. :eek:
 
Ask eclipse. Or anyone else that's been around when I've discussed things in these forums (you know, what you do in a forum). I've obviously tossed my two cents in, and people seem to agree (read: my sig). And if you think Eclipse is an idiot, you my friend are definately retarded, seing as how he's the most knowledgeable AMD person around. And PR means Performance. If someone asks you the PERFORMANCE of a car, it's how does it steer, how many horses does it have, 0-60...a ROUNDED EQUATION of things, jackass. Not a simple "How many Miles Per Hour does it go?". Seriously you idiot, get a clue....or another forum where you can copy and paste some old Intel facts and get respect. And IPC? Strange you never said "Instructions per cycle" as I would have if someone said I diddn't understand it....I can say plenty of technical phrases, but I personally don't pride myself on that.

Show some intellect and get respect, but to throw around opinions that have no real grounds for discussion other than "I think AMD's system sux0rs." you seem to be surprised you're getting verbally assaulted in the AMD Processor forums. This coming from a guy who's been around for years and doesn't know AMD is from the US. I hate to come back to that but seriously, how dumb can you be man?

And wtf happened to sleeping? Nighty night you silly dolt, it's past your bed time.
 
Well... to put this tread back on track ;)


Do you think that DDR1 Provides enough bandwidth now for Dual Core CPUs?
 
maleficarus said:
LOL! Incorrect facts? Your the master-mind claiming PR+ means powar! gimme a break you dolt...You fire off terms like IPC..ohhhh ahhh...thinking I need to bow to your powar...

:cool:
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the PR rating DOES represent power!

youre arguing that AMD couldnt scale as well as Intel, well fucking DUH! they are on completly different architechtures right now! Intel was over there claiming that clock speed was everything while i was sitting here on my p3 machine thinking "this thing kicks the shit out of p4's". their little clock speed escapade turned around and murdered their entire marketing campaign, as they cant scale anymore wtihout burning down buildings, so now THEYRE switching to PR ratings too! higher number = more power, and you better believe a 4400+ is more powerful than an FX-55, even before dual cores, i would take a dual opteron 248 anyday over an FX-55
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
Well... to put this tread back on track ;)


Do you think that DDR1 Provides enough bandwidth now for Dual Core CPUs?
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I personally think the dual-channel memory gives it enough bandwidth for now. But time will tell that.
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
Well... to put this tread back on track ;)


Do you think that DDR1 Provides enough bandwidth now for Dual Core CPUs?
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yep. a64's arent bandwidth starved like p4's are - and with the memory controller onboard, they have TONS of bandwidth to work with.
 
Skrying said:
Anway, on an off the wall thought. I had this come to my head:

Eclipse is there any chance you played SOFII for clan CF? Lol, I know that sounds weird, but if so, I'm |7|ChemicalWarrior.

Okay everyone, go on with business, dont take notice at Skrying being crazy. :eek:
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iirc, someone asked him if it was for carbon fiber eclipse, he said no and i think he said it was some clan from back in the day, i might be wrong though, i tried searching for it but got tired of waiting every 60 seconds.. so he might know the answer better than me, since it is about him after all...




also, is it true that there is NO performance drop with using a ram divider with them? or how much is there?
 
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