Best 19" Gaming LCD?

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StarWolf

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Since I worked 120 hours in the last 2 weeks I think I can afford an upgrade to a 19" LCD. What's a good one for gaming under $400? Right now I'm looking at the ImageQuest L90D+ $379, the BenQ FP931 $343, the ACER AL1914smd $339, and the ACER AL1912b $305.

I've seen people praising the ImageQuest L90D+. Any BenQ or ACER owners here? And is there really any noticeable improvement in gaming using the DVI?
 
I currently have the L90D+ and have also used an FP931 and can tell you that the L90D+ is a hell of a lot better than the Benq. The biggest difference being color reproduction. The Benq's (FP931 and 937s) suck at it whereas the Hyundai is very good. I can't speak for the Acers though as I have never used them.
 
One of my friends has ImageQuest L90D+. It is very good monitor but when i put my VP912B next to his unit it looks a bit better in my eyes. Anyway you cant get wrong with Hyundai L90D+. It also gained extremely good feedback if you browse around forums.
 
Make sure NOT to get the L90D but the L90D+ (the "plus" is important).
 
FX55 said:
One of my friends has ImageQuest L90D+. It is very good monitor but when i put my VP912B next to his unit it looks a bit better in my eyes. Anyway you cant get wrong with Hyundai L90D+. It also gained extremely good feedback if you browse around forums.
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I payed less for my new Dell 2005FPW than that 19" Viewsonic LCD. Its totally not worth that price tag.

The Hyundai L90D+ is the best gaming LCD for the price. I have one and i really like it.
 
burningrave101 said:
The Hyundai L90D+ is the best gaming LCD for the price. I have one and i really like it.
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burningrave, do you use the DVI when gaming? Is the 60Hz refresh a problem?
 
I use the DVI with gaming and it's not a problem. The term "refresh rate" is somewhat different than what you're used to in CRT monitors. The picture on an LCD display does not really "refresh" like a CRT. Can't explain it, but I'm sure someone with the technical expertise can chime in on this.
 
StarWolf said:
burningrave, do you use the DVI when gaming? Is the 60Hz refresh a problem?
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I have it on Analog cause my video card only has one DVI port and my 2005FPW is using it. There isn't much difference in quality between analog and DVI on this LCD though.

As far as the refresh rate goes you can bump it up if you want to. I have mine set at 75Hz but its on analog. I had it on 75Hz with DVI as well. Just uncheck the box that hides the extra refresh rate selections that aren't officially supported by the drivers.

From what i understand an LCD doesn't refresh so it doesn't have a max refresh rate it can handle although i wouldn't try running it over like 120Hz probably. Its the DVI bandwidth limitation on current video cards that keeps users from selecting higher refresh rates with LCD's that use 1600x1200 and higher resolutions.

I linked to an article at Tomshardware in the sticky for this section that explains how DVI works and the limitations.
 
what about the NEC 1970GX :p Frys has it for $549

19" Opticlear
8ms response time
700:1 contrast ratio
400 cd/m2
 
NEC 1970GX is the best gaming lcd bar none im typing right now from it, while I look at this beautiful lcd. The colors are outstanding its good looking all black sweetness and has a excellent stand and flexiblity. I owned the 712n and this one is like night and day from it. I bought mine from Fry's, being an employee and seeing that we just got some new units in from nec I had to buy it with my discount it came out to 509+taxes. Best decission i have made yet it blows away anything from sony, viewsonic, samsung. Just to give you guys a heads up checking Fry's inventory system we have a limited quanity at hand so get them while there still there. Last time I checked most stores had an average of 4-8 units.
 
i have a Sony SDM-HS95P/S

has a 12ms responce time and native res of 1280x1024 and i run it at 75hz on DVI with my 9800XT.

Very clear crispt picture and awsome brightness adjustability. its called Xbrite i think.

Not a single bit of ghosting ever, but i do have one stuck pixel in the upper right corner that is so close to the egde i never even see it in games or movies etc. I can see it on my desktop tho. It doesnt bother me at all.

It cost me 599$
 
Are there any reviews or pics of that NEC one out there? I couldn't seem to find any.
 
Bigjohns97 said:
burninggrave : are you saying you can run a 100hz refresh rate on an lcd?
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I'm saying that from what i understand there is no refresh rate limit on LCD's, its entirely up to the bandwidth your video card can provide on the DVI port. If your running 1280x1024 you should be able to select up to like 180Hz although i would never use anything over maybe 120Hz just to be on the safe side.

If your running 1680x1050 like i am on my Dell 2005FPW then all your going to get is 60Hz.

I e-mailed Hyundai asking them about the max refresh rates and if it hurts LCD's to run them at really high refresh rates they dont officially support and i never got an answer back. I'm guessing that it doesn't but who knows.
 
OK, I'm this close *holds finger and thumb 1/4" apart* to buying the LD90+ from ChiefValue who has it for $361 and free shipping until 3/31. The only thing that makes me hesitate is this user review.

"Bad: Had a stuck blue pixel near the middle of the screen that is very noticeable. Color range is quite abit less then a good crt not as noticable with games, but it is very noticable with photos. Video playback is poor.

Conclusion: Very nice for game playing, but if you want to do things like photo editing or video playback. I recommend a high quality CRT instead."

I do a lot of Photoshop work, mainly for friends. Would any of you that has it and uses PS, or video, agree with his review?
 
then the ld90+ is not for you

i have 2 that was bought just for gaming and they work great

but the dithering can be seen in photographs movies and just about all art ... and yes even in games

this dithering is not horrid by any means but it is there so if dithering is going to be a problem for you then stay away from 6 bit panels all together and ignore all those that say there is no differnce

because in reality there is .... to get some idea of what im talking about ..

terminator 2 openeing scene future battle the mist in the background is dithered ...

sunrise pictures and blue skies are noticably dithered

the windows xp64bit wallpaper is noticably dithered .

the sky in need for speed underground is noticeably dithered

space scenes in games showing nebula and space dust are noticeably dithered.

so the dithering is there now all you have to do is decide ... do you want the ultra fast response times ? or do want true color display ?

thats is your decision

i chose response time because the machine they were being paired with is a gaming machine .....
 
last i remember hearing, all LCDs had a "refresh rate" of 60hz...maybe things have changed since they first introduced them...

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG! just working off of logic here. :p

the only way i can think this is different is because in CRT's they use an electron beam to scan/paint the image on the screen...this is a constant process for as long as the monitor is on, just so you can keep the image lit up - lower refresh rates produce flicker due to the painted parts of the screen starting to fade, then being repainted....and that's why everyone is all crazy about high refresh rates...

on an lcd, you've got all the pixels (can't remember if there's a more technical term for the individual elements that emit light..) that can have one of two values...on or off...no repainting needed. the only thing that would change when displaying a moving picture would be which pixels are turned on, and which are off - so a fixed "refresh rate" makes sense here, as your light source is constant...and the only reason i can think they'd refer to it as refresh rate is that when the lcds first came out & had to use the analogue inputs, they still had to use the 60hz sample rate...of course, there's all sorts of fun stuff like interlaced and progressive scan displays (which i'm not going to get in to) which possibly could benefit from more bandwidth (being able to paint more of the picture/larger screen resolutions at once..? - i also never really looked in to the actual differences between how the signal is processed when you compare VGA to DVI...so that could probably give more insight as well)

okay. i think i just confused myself with that last part. hopefully that helps out, and if i did get anything wrong, hopefully it's minor and can be built upon X_x hahaha
 
chaos4u said:
thats is your decision
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Hmm .. thanks. I guess I could try a dual CRT and LD90+ setup. Run my 19" CRT in analog for graphics and the LD90+ in DVI for gaming. That should work shouldn't it?
 
it will work and work well

although as far as asthestics go it may be a bit odd looking ...

you could do a a high quality 8 bit panel and a ld90+ but that would be costly ... just prepare your self for the quality differnce between the crt and l90d+
 
Unless you're moving your monitor, have too little desk space, or have eye strain with CRTs....you probably don't need an LCD. I'm gonna be moving my monitor around all time so I chose the L90D+. Even after owning this monitor, I wish I could have stayed with CRT because the price/performance is awesome, but loading 60 pound brick into the front seat of a honda civic coupe is far from fun every couple weeks.
 
chaos4u said:
although as far as asthestics go it may be a bit odd looking ...
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That's ok. I'm using a 6 foot fold out table as my computer desk so asthestics aren't a real priority. :D

The only reason I started looking at monitors was I'm not sure if this old 19" KDS I have is on it's last legs. It's been doing some strange "blinking" lately. I've also been looking at some 21" refurbished CRT's for a lot less $$. I may just have to go with that.
 
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