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faster nvidia cards!? what for? we already got ati x850s! true?
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BossNoodleKaboodle
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Its clocked higher and ATI's driver optimizations don't let it do trilinear filtering AND it doesn't support PS 3.0, so why bother buying the old technology ATI pushes as new? Get a 6800U and kick its all all over the place with upcoming games.
BossNoodleKaboodle said:
I see you have raised the bar for how much bullshit can be packed in one post.
3dmark 05 doesn't agree with the 6800U kicking it all over
Neither does far cry, or any other benchmark.
Can I quote you in the years to come when the X850 is still faster than the 6800 ultra?
Nvidia STILL can't match the fsaa quality of the 9700 pro for christs sake.
Speaking of old technology
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Fedex5000 said:
Flame bait and you should be banned
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Fedex5000 said:
Just because new cards are released doesn't mean your current card can't run the latest games. The old 9800 pros and junk can still run today's games (although not as well as the newest cards). That's the thing about business, consumers are always on the minds of the CEO's.
Might as well respond directly to this phlegm bait.
So you're saying that no matter what happens this year, next year, or 10 years down the road...the 850 line will always be faster? Get a grip.
Uh...where the hell have you been? Has your head been in the sand? What video card out there is THAT obsolete just a "couple of months later"? If you've done your homework (which you have not) you'll notice that three and four year old video cards are still capable of playing 'today's games'. Thus...your shiny new 850 will play your Disney games for years to come.
Thus...you have been flamed.
Fedex5000 said:
So you're saying that no matter what happens this year, next year, or 10 years down the road...the 850 line will always be faster? Get a grip.
Fedex5000 said:
Uh...where the hell have you been? Has your head been in the sand? What video card out there is THAT obsolete just a "couple of months later"? If you've done your homework (which you have not) you'll notice that three and four year old video cards are still capable of playing 'today's games'. Thus...your shiny new 850 will play your Disney games for years to come.
Thus...you have been flamed.
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Moloch said:
I see you have raised the bar for how much bullshit can be packed in one post.
3dmark 05 doesn't agree with the 6800U kicking it all over
Neither does far cry, or any other benchmark.
Can I quote you in the years to come when the X850 is still faster than the 6800 ultra?
Nvidia STILL can't match the fsaa quality of the 9700 pro for christs sake.
Speaking of old technology
I think you just beat me.
have a look. http://techreport.com/etc/2004q2/filtering/index.x?pg=1
From the TR article:
What to make of all this?
Whatever the merits of ATI's adaptive trilinear filtering algorithm, ATI appears to have intentionally deceived members of the press, and by extension, the public, by claiming to use "full" trilinear filtering "all of the time" and recommending the use of colored mip map tools in order to verify this claim. Encouraging reviewers to make comparisons to NVIDIA products with NVIDIA's similar trilinear optimizations turned off compounded the offense. Any points ATI has scored on NVIDIA over the past couple of years as NVIDIA has been caught in driver "optimizations" and the like are, in my book, wiped out.
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Moloch said:
I see you have raised the bar for how much bullshit can be packed in one post.
3dmark 05 doesn't agree with the 6800U kicking it all over
Neither does far cry, or any other benchmark.
Can I quote you in the years to come when the X850 is still faster than the 6800 ultra?
Nvidia STILL can't match the fsaa quality of the 9700 pro for christs sake.
Speaking of old technology
You dont really need much AA at higher resolutions like 1600x1200 and at lower resolutions 8xS beats anything ATI supports for FSAA.
I have both a X850XT PE and a SLI 6800 GT system and I can easily say that I like the way all my games look on the SLI system better. That is just my opinion. I would recommend that anyone who is on the fence about going SLI should try to find somewhere they can test it out to see how great it is in person. As far as the X850XT PE goes...well it is good at Far Cry and CS:S and HL2, but so is my SLI machine infact my SLI machine is alot faster.
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Fedex5000 said:
My Geforce2 played everything quite nicely till The very latest crop of games came out (D3, HL2, Far Cry, etc.) Still pulling duty in my sons computer cuz he doesn't play any of those games.
If it's gonna be obsolete in a couple months, it already is.
i've got a GF4 Ti 4200 that i can still tear it up in CS:S with (albiet at low settings / 1024x768), but doesn't look half bad and runs on average well above 60 fps. i agree with most here, just cause new hardware comes out doesn't mean your brand new stuff is old.......unless you're one of those rich kids that can't stand having last gen stuff. (no offense to any of those here ). A 6800GT is gonna be able to run stuff very well for 2, maybe 3 years down the road if you don't mind lower settings as time goes on.
). A 6800GT is gonna be able to run stuff very well for 2, maybe 3 years down the road if you don't mind lower settings as time goes on.
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Astra said:
Not even as fast as a 6800GT for about the same price.
I can solve all this i guess......Here is my system:
AMD FX-55 @ 3.0 w/ XP-120
2X512 OCZ Platinum Rev.2 @ 550 1T
DFI Ultra-D @ 275 fsb
X850XT @ 550/1150
Ect, ect,........
Now, to the point of all this.....i have had BOTH top of the line cards. I recently sold my 6800GT that i flashed to 425/1150. And now i have the ATI X850 XT overclocked to 550/1150. Now, having both cards, with the same set-up, playing the same games, i can now say with confadence that ATI is the better card at the moment period. It plays my games faster, with better picture quality, at higher settings. The ONLY game that Nvidia is better at is.....you guessed it, Doom3. And personally, i didnt like it at all. Not bad, i just didnt like it. ATI gets better scores, uses less CPU in games, and beats Nvidia at every other game. And i have ALOT of games, new and old. I also want to say that i feel that ATI is now the better choice for OpenGL as well. It just plays the games better, better picture, faster, and im able to use higher levels of AA and AF. I also want to say that ATI has WAY BETTER drivers, they are all WHQL certified and come out once a month. Nvidia on the other hand has very few WHQL and you have to be a "beta whore" to get anywhere....not the way i wanna go, its the main reason i switched. I HATE nvidia drivers. As for performance, they are very close, and the 6800GT is a great card because anyone can overclock it to past Ultra specs and save the money. Note that the 6800GT i had was a PCIe card. Well, thats my 2 cents and i know someones gonna get pissy over it, but its how i feel. Long live the king!!
AMD FX-55 @ 3.0 w/ XP-120
2X512 OCZ Platinum Rev.2 @ 550 1T
DFI Ultra-D @ 275 fsb
X850XT @ 550/1150
Ect, ect,........
Now, to the point of all this.....i have had BOTH top of the line cards. I recently sold my 6800GT that i flashed to 425/1150. And now i have the ATI X850 XT overclocked to 550/1150. Now, having both cards, with the same set-up, playing the same games, i can now say with confadence that ATI is the better card at the moment period. It plays my games faster, with better picture quality, at higher settings. The ONLY game that Nvidia is better at is.....you guessed it, Doom3. And personally, i didnt like it at all. Not bad, i just didnt like it. ATI gets better scores, uses less CPU in games, and beats Nvidia at every other game. And i have ALOT of games, new and old. I also want to say that i feel that ATI is now the better choice for OpenGL as well. It just plays the games better, better picture, faster, and im able to use higher levels of AA and AF. I also want to say that ATI has WAY BETTER drivers, they are all WHQL certified and come out once a month. Nvidia on the other hand has very few WHQL and you have to be a "beta whore" to get anywhere....not the way i wanna go, its the main reason i switched. I HATE nvidia drivers. As for performance, they are very close, and the 6800GT is a great card because anyone can overclock it to past Ultra specs and save the money. Note that the 6800GT i had was a PCIe card. Well, thats my 2 cents and i know someones gonna get pissy over it, but its how i feel. Long live the king!!
Whos post?
For DX9 yes they are much better but in Open GL Nvidia Cards kick Atis ass.
Even still with Open GL making only 10% of the market its a bad reason to go on alone.
Plus the one OpenGL games that pushes the GPU in any way is DOOM3 and even it doesnt play bad on the X800's by any means.
Old fucking news.BossNoodleKaboodle said:
I dont care if ati lied about filterting, there optimized filtering looks better than nvidias, and thats all I care about.
That's a rather broad statement.burningrave101 said:
Maybe in dark games, but in bright games you still need AA.
8Xs also happens to be slow as molassas, and makes games blurry.
Moloch said:
And what were the !!!!!!s screaming when nVidia got caught with it first? No doubt you were singing a different tune then. When nVidia got caught, it's cheat, when it turned out ATI was doing it the whole time too, they replaced the word 'cheat' with 'feature'. When it also turned out that ATI was misleading the press, it seems you conveniently overlooked it.
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LOL don't forget ATI's catalyst control pannel. Click AI on high and all it does is set the quality to crap to up the FPS. I guess ATI is good if you want high frame rates and don't care about image quality much. Trickle down tech is what consumer computing is all about, and Nvidia PWNS ATI in the workstation cards, and as far as creating new technologies, so naturally their actual GPU cores are more advanced. ATI is even backing out of the consumer market according to the latest news. They couldn't hardly get any of their cards out to market on time, so they may be going the way of 3dfx. Too bad 3dfx isn't still around instead, as they were innovative as well as Nvidia.
BossNoodleKaboodle said:
Please don't post FUD like this. ATI is in no danger of going the way of 3dfx. The enthusiast/gamer market is miniscule compared to the OEM market, and ATI is going strong there.
The above post is just as bad as the first post in the thread.
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Moloch said:
ATI's optimizations do not look better then nVidia's. The optimizations account for AF quality not AA. There is a noticeable difference in AF quality with ATI cards in DX9 games if you enable it in the CP or in-game. It looks better enabled in-game because its been less optimized for performance. From the reviews i've read for the NV40's, nVidia's AF quality is as good or better then ATI's.
And even in bright games you dont normally need much AA at 1600x1200 or higher. It helps yes but if your actually playing the game instead of running around staring at things like a retard you'll never notice the difference.
8xS is very playable in alot of games if your playing at lower resolutions and it does not make the game look blurry. It provides better AA quality than anything ATI supports because of SuperSampling.
I play Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind at 1600x1200 w/ 8xS because the game is more CPU limited so there isn't much of a hit from using 8xS and the AA quality is much better.
BossNoodleKaboodle said:
Wow, this is the biggest piece of Nvidia !!!!!!ism I have ever seen. First of all, it's been stated that ATI actually does have great image quality (rivaling Nvidia in some cases). Now, dont get me wrong, Nvidia is a great card maker, and they produce some fantastic stuff, if you want some newer features (SM 3.o, other things I've forgotten) then get an Nvidia, I do agree they are a bit more future proof then ATI, but if you want downright performance and quality, ATIs single cards can't be beat
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