x850 is official, now what nvidia?

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tsuehpsyde

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Now after months of wondering and knowing, the x850 has been announced and will be available soon. I can't imagine nVidia sitting by and doing nothing, but this re-vamp is such a joke imo that there's no real reason for nvidia to care, other than maybe releasing the vaporware knows as the UEE in mass? Idunno, thoughts?

P.S. I like the "Now with Dual-DVI and Dual-Slot cooling As Seen On NV (kinda like As Seen On TV ). lol, yes bad pun i know...just deal with it :D
 
tsuehpsyde said:
Now after months of wondering and knowing, the x850 has been announced and will be available soon. I can't imagine nVidia sitting by and doing nothing, but this re-vamp is such a joke imo that there's no real reason for nvidia to care, other than maybe releasing the vaporware knows as the UEE in mass? Idunno, thoughts?

P.S. I like the "Now with Dual-DVI and Dual-Slot cooling As Seen On NV (kinda like As Seen On TV ). lol, yes bad pun i know...just deal with it :D
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Yeah, last generation ATi had the field covered and was owning nVIDIA pretty badly but now... I'm no fan of either company, I'll take my dollar where I can get a good performing chip at a good price. At the moment it looks like ATi has had an ego inflation and nVIDIA is looking pretty good.
 
Who cares what their coming out with? Are you gonna buy it or raise you're post count some more when they release a press statement.
 
I don't think NV really needs to respond to it, and don't think they will. It's not for performance, it's for availability.
 
Agreed, agp availablilty is killing ATI.

As far as value for the money, if your comfortable overclocking the 6800gt is providing by far the best bang-for-the-buck.

If your not then you have more to consider.

All in all this launch seems to be more of a cost saving nature than anything else. The slight clock speed ramp up is just icing on the cake
 
Dillusion said:
Who cares what their coming out with? Are you gonna buy it or raise you're post count some more when they release a press statement.
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#1. Already have a 6800U, don't need anything else at the moment, and don't care for slight core increases.

#2. I'm not trying to raise any post counts, I'm looking for a discussion about the 2 main companies that make video cards in the video card forum.

God forbid someone start a thread for a discussion :rolleyes:
 
No offense, but a press release for a top of the line ATI card is pretty meaningless.

The x800XT PE (and 6800U) launch and availability was a fiasco . Until there are any available for purchase, it doesn't even exist as far as I'm concerned. Same goes for whatever nvidia announces.
 
pxc said:
No offense, but a press release for a top of the line ATI card is pretty meaningless.

The x800XT PE (and 6800U) launch and availability was a fiasco . Until there are any available for purchase, it doesn't even exist as far as I'm concerned. Same goes for whatever nvidia announces.
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More than a press release, reviews are all over. But I do agree with you about waiting until it's in stores ;)
 
joecuddles said:
More than a press release, reviews are all over. But I do agree with you about waiting until it's in stores ;)
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i should have also said press cards.
 
Sounds like the 9800XT to me. Remember? 5 times the heat and $100 more for a 2% performance gain over the 9800 Pro.

The best thing about the X850 is that it *might* improve availability and price for the X800XT.

As for Nvidia, I think they're going to do absolutely nothing at the moment. The top-dog spot is still owned by their 6800 Ultra (and shared by the close-behind GT) simply due to the lack of availability of the ATI XT/PE cards. And so long as they are comfortable there, they have a good opportunity to sell in the mid-range where the real money is anyway.

Now that Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 are out and it appears that the 6800Ultra/GT and X800XT are all up to the task, that we're going to be in a holding pattern for a while (not considering the SLI implications, but that is defeinitely a fringe technology for now).

Anyway, the big question is what is the next performance driver going to be? Will it be the next Unreal Engine? Is something going to take us by surprise like Far Cry did?

In my opinion, the next thing gamers are going to start demanding is online play that equals the performance of the top-end single player experiences. Even in the games we all love, there are ones we love to hate for their network code. Battlefield 2 looks somewhat interesting on the graphics side of things. I hope the gameplay doesn't suffer because the intial release of BF:V seemed to draw a correlation between better looking graphics (over BF:1942) and lousy network performance (Ho Chi Minh temple anyone?)

I guess that until our networks are running based on quantum entanglement theory and game servers are dedicating multi-teraflops per user, that we're always going to be stuck with some stupid server sitting somewhere on the internet marginally closer to our opponents trying to arbitrate what just happened 1/10th of a second ago.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm happy wth my 6800GT for now and probably won't care too much about what happens in the video card market for the next few months....
 
being ati is using .11 micro on low k and having absolutely wretched yields the respin will get them better yields.

BUT

nvidia is using .13 w/ no fancy pants low k on their high end.

so whats ati to do when nvidia goes from .13 to .11 for hight end. (note the 6600 is on .11micron)

its going to be a slaughter, imho.
with the jump to lower micron the chips will be cooler and thus can run mhz faster.

and nvidia mzh are MUCH more powerful that ati mhz.

all i can say is that ati has next generation to catch up...
 
tsuehpsyde said:
#1. Already have a 6800U, don't need anything else at the moment, and don't care for slight core increases.

#2. I'm not trying to raise any post counts, I'm looking for a discussion about the 2 main companies that make video cards in the video card forum.

God forbid someone start a thread for a discussion :rolleyes:
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Not trying to be mean, I am, and I'm sure you are, tired of the 'new people' starting pointless dumb threads to do nothing but start a fight/raise post count/restate the obvious/kill time/prove a point without using the search button :)

and are we forgetting that the x850 series will be PCI-E only?
 
Dillusion said:
Who cares what their coming out with? Are you gonna buy it or raise you're post count some more when they release a press statement.
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Nope, not going to buy it. Am going to postcount++. Am going to say that this 'launch' is insignificant & they probably would've been better off keeping the same speeds/name & just announcing a new production method & lowering prices. A handful of MHz isn't going to give them that much more performance or help increase marketshare - a price cut would.

I'm also waiting for the !!!!!!ds that, 6mo ago, were talking about how "NV SUX" and "ATI 4EVAR" to turn colors and start talking about how ATI's dropped the ball & should get out of the business.
 
yeah i realised i diddn't post PCI-E only, but I already pointed out the most overlooked thing (dual dvi) which made me laugh, plus the dual-slot cooling makes me laugh to...whereas PCI-E only just makes me angry lol.

I'm not in the ATi market so the card itself doesn't bother or affect me, I'm just concerned about nVidia's stance...not that it matters ENTIRELY since I have their top card (not including vaporware UEE), just like to keep an eye on things...plus know when my ego gets to diffuse :p

also...

geekcomputing said:
being ati is using .11 micro on low k and having absolutely wretched yields the respin will get them better yields.
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this MAY have changed, but yes, this is not the case. .13 microN is still being used.
 
tsuehpsyde said:
x850 is official, now what nvidia?
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fix there drivers? looking at brents review of the 850 nvidia have some rendering errors to look into.
 
are the new ATI cards going to be pci-e only or will they realease a agp card aswell.
 
shiffero said:
are the new ATI cards going to be pci-e only or will they realease a agp card aswell.
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Ugh. As if it isn't splattered ALL OVER THIS THREAD and EVERYWHERE else enough, here you go :

PCI-E ONLY.
 
Not sure if ATi decided PCI-E only because they wanna help KILL AGP, or just don't want their cards on Athlon64's just yet :p lol, stupidness aside, sad to see AGP go the way of the dinosaurs so goddamn fast....just glad I picked up a fast AGP card while they're still makin them. By the time I build again PCI-E 32x will probably be out (and the extra bandwidth will be just as useless as the 16x's is now)...who knows. I'm all for new tech, but not when it's not needed, or close to being needed.
 
I wanna see the new ATi cards up against SLI'd nVidia cards. Brent? Where are you in our dire time of need?

*activates the Brent-signal to let it shine on the clouds and alert Brent, where ever he may be*

The results should be interesting. :D
 
Ozymandias said:
I wanna see the new ATi cards up against SLI'd nVidia cards. Brent? Where are you in our dire time of need?

*activates the Brent-signal to let it shine on the clouds and alert Brent, where ever he may be*

The results should be interesting. :D
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Uh, most people with flashed Pros are already running past x850 speeds... why would you want to see a comparison?
 
eh, 2x6800U in SLi is going to pwn any single card of the same or close to generation...no need for a comparison there.
 
tsuehpsyde said:
eh, 2x6800U in SLi is going to pwn any single card of the same or close to generation...no need for a comparison there.
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If you check the benches (D3 aside), even my card is under 10 FPS behind two 6800U's as far as min / average FPS. It's not as great as you'd (or I'd) think, as everyone is realizing. This is coming from the standpoint of just using two 6800U's off the bat, not talking about upgrade paths or anything.
 
Now what? I dont think they really NEED to do much of anything.

This is NOTHING but a MINOR clock speed increase for ATI, oh and a move to PCI-E only (yea smart move), it wont even be here in time for xmas.
Where is the SM3.0? Where is there a single inovative new feature? Where is thier answer to SLI?

I am sure NV has something nearly ready to launch any time now.

And let us not forget:
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joecuddles said:
R520, Q1-2 2005. That's where :p
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Q2-3 more likely.. since this can't won't even hit retail shelves probably untill Late Q4 of this year or early Q1 of next...

And this card doesn't really mean much. Right now nvidia has to work on their drivers, and getting official ones that take advantage of the 6x00 series because we already know that in pure speed, they win most the time.
 
pci-e only? Who the hell makes this kind of decision when half the damn market can't even get a pci-e slot with their CPU even if they wanted to. Not too mention it is the half of the cpus that excel at gaming. Granted, they will most likely be readily available by the time the x850 is actually out, but you are still looking at the vast majority of the market still using AGP.
 
joecuddles said:
If you check the benches (D3 aside), even my card is under 10 FPS behind two 6800U's as far as min / average FPS. It's not as great as you'd (or I'd) think, as everyone is realizing. This is coming from the standpoint of just using two 6800U's off the bat, not talking about upgrade paths or anything.
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hah ok stop looking at 1024x760 resolutions and look more at 1600x1200... 10fps my ***!!!!
 
I dun get why people say Doom3 side.. it'd be the same as someone saying Half Life 2 aside for nvidia. Both cards have leads in those games, and both following companies are catching up quickly. Other then that, the thing is still split 50/50... I stand by my post that because nVidia has the faw power in the 6x00 series.. they need drivers to work with >.< They need a new freaking driver staff.. or hire more instead of stretching their forces across motherboards, video cards, soundstorm, games...
 
aZn_plyR said:
hah ok stop looking at 1024x760 resolutions and look more at 1600x1200... 10fps my ***!!!!
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http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1101166418UKq6GDeX4c_4_6.gif

$1600 CAD (for me) to upgrade from my card to an SLI setup with Ultras to gain me 2xAA (woopdee) and 4 FPS. Woo! Oh, and by the looks of it I would lose no Minimum FPS.

Rejoice! The 6800U SLi numbers were dissapointing, extremely, in my opinion. I was hoping for much more. Hopefully once the drivers mature all will be going faster.
 
joecuddles said:
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1101166418UKq6GDeX4c_4_6.gif

$1600 CAD (for me) to upgrade from my card to an SLI setup with Ultras to gain me 2xAA (woopdee) and 4 FPS. Woo! Oh, and by the looks of it I would lose no Minimum FPS.

Rejoice! The 6800U SLi numbers were dissapointing, extremely, in my opinion. I was hoping for much more. Hopefully once the drivers mature all will be going faster.
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I agree, and I hope newer drivers improve things a bit.
 
I think ati made a stupid move. There is really no point in releasing a "new" video card, when the performance increase is most likely unnoticable. I think a smarter move would have been to just add another version of the x800. I personally dont think nvidia will do much. But whatever, I dont really care, ill stick with my 9600XT ;) .
 
joecuddles said:
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1101166418UKq6GDeX4c_4_6.gif

$1600 CAD (for me) to upgrade from my card to an SLI setup with Ultras to gain me 2xAA (woopdee) and 4 FPS. Woo! Oh, and by the looks of it I would lose no Minimum FPS.

Rejoice! The 6800U SLi numbers were dissapointing, extremely, in my opinion. I was hoping for much more. Hopefully once the drivers mature all will be going faster.
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Drivers, 2x vs 4x in FC makes a difference (they do playable levels) and was it AFR or SFR, I dun remember.
 
nvidia is coming out with a 6850ultra which uses a 500/1300 core and memory


i wish!!! heheheeheh
 
DropTech said:
Drivers, 2x vs 4x in FC makes a difference (they do playable levels) and was it AFR or SFR, I dun remember.
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omg it's called CPU LIMITED sheez u guys... if that was ran at 1600x1200 instead of 1024x760 or whatever.. u'll see almost if not more than twice the performance......
 
o wait nvm it is at 1600x1200.. but really from other sites the performance is almost if not twice....... something is weird with the way hardocp set-up thier results.. hard to read.. hehe
 
All SLI benches are w/ Pentium4's (I believe, since AMD doesn't have a chipset for it yet)...once I see A64 s939 w/ 6800U SLI, then I'll believe the #'s I see. :p I don't think it'll be exactly 2x6800U power, but it should be well over 50% of the extra card.
 
heh, reguardless of whether it makes 'us' or 'you' angry/dissapointed, just remmeber we are only less than 10% of ATi's market.
 
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