He said that the 40-50% ratio was not at all unreasonable. That was what I didn't agree with and comment on why would I quote the rest? We were talking about 40-50% of all games, not just the ones this guy has bought over the years. If we take all the games I have bought we will get a very different picture since the only id based game I have is Doom3 and I have quite a few games on my shelf.DocFaustus said:
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so whats the deal now? ati is the best now?
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People are also forgetting Bioware. Their engines are MUCH more Nvidia friendly. And it seems they've liscened out the NWN engine to a few developers. Plus their next big game after Dragon Age with be based on the UR3 engine, which from Sweeny's words sounded like it ran better on the NV40s. Of course most of us will probabley have upgraded from then, I myself only plan on keeping this GT until the NV50 hits [which seems like late 2005, early 2006].
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Where are you looking? I haven't seen the XTs going for $450 [well they were but they're not in stock right now].
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4082662?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
GT for $350. In stock. That's over a $100 less than a XT. This really is a no brainer.
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4082662?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
GT for $350. In stock. That's over a $100 less than a XT. This really is a no brainer.
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As the owner of both an x800 Pro VIVO and a BFG 6800GT OC...
no contest, the 6800GT is a much better card.
no contest, the 6800GT is a much better card.
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I call it a draw with the elite cards, and a slight nudge towards Nvidia, with their middle high end cards (6800GT) being the best.
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Moloch said:Well it's factory overclocked
I'm just talking about the ability to play Quake3 without game freezes every minute!
Found a good article here:
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reports/pbfreeze/index.html
hah, I am not the only one with this problem!
I agree that 6800GT is the best middle high-end card (and the card with best performance/price IMO) but in the high-end I would say the X800XTPE is in front of the Ultra. Check this review using relatively new drivers . The X800XTPE is leading in every single test at high-res (16x12 with AA+AF) except for Doom3 and CS:S. I would not call that a draw...haroldmeyer said:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/sapphire_radeon_x800_xt_agp_review/default.asp
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tree_ said:
lol, you do relize all next gen cards get like 100fps in that game right..?
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I don't see a winner this round........but that's a bad thing. But I do believe that nVidia is the loser, simply because of one thing: nVidia constantly beat out ATi, coutering every move with something better. Then the R300 came out, and set the world on fire. The 9700 Pro marked ATi as a huge competitor, possibly even an anhialator, of nVidia in the gaming market(ATi already owned the multimedia market as far as vCards go, and will for some time). nVidia released a crappy product to compete with the R300, compete being a very loose term. Now, I believe it should be nVidia's turn to be victorious over ATi, simply because of its unanimous defeat last round. Without a clear winner this round, there is nothing to scare the companies into creating truly wicked products, so I believe they will get lazy. Will nexgen cards be better then these? by far......but not as much as they could be.
In the business world, its a different story. ATi has a massive stake in the OEM market with its x300 and 600 products, facing, honestly, more competition from s3 and XGI then nVidia(at least for the lower end products). And ATi's 92xx cards are becoming the next GF 4 MX cards........
In the business world, its a different story. ATi has a massive stake in the OEM market with its x300 and 600 products, facing, honestly, more competition from s3 and XGI then nVidia(at least for the lower end products). And ATi's 92xx cards are becoming the next GF 4 MX cards........
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I wouldn't go by firing squads benchmarks, the pro is beating the xt in some of those tests as in the gt beating the ultra and they use the levels that ATi has a general lead in UT 2004 and Far Cry.
Plus the fact aa and af can be increased in driver optimizations. From the 61.77 drivers nV has increased about 5-10 fps on average with high aa and af on, so I would expect them to get even closer. These cards should be very close.
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rancor said:
61.77's blow major @$$! God the diff between the 66.70's and 61.77s is night and day on my system.
You still play that ancient game?Hornswoggler said:I'm just talking about the ability to play Quake3 without game freezes every minute!
Found a good article here:
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reports/pbfreeze/index.html
hah, I am not the only one with this problem!
Well its a software issue according to article right?
Cant blame for that, specially when nvidia says it can reproduce it.
They are using 65.76 in this review, thats why I said they used relatively new drivers. All other reviews I have seen use 61.77. Anyway the X800XTPE comes on top in all reviews I have read so far (even if its not by much) so I believe its fair to say it is the faster of the two.rancor said:
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yes but the pro doesn't beat the xt or the gt doesn't beat the ultra pure and simple, and why can't they use a UT level like Metalurgy or Far Cry level like Research, instead of Pier. There are alot of naging errors in all of their benchmarks if you pay close attention.
Funny they use Pier to show off PS 3 shaders and the Pier really doesn't use any PS 3 shaders
. They have been doing this for the last 3 months, so its not an uncommon thing for them, Seems like they are so lazy they don't want to change thier test methods and also cut and paste from older reviews they did.None at all?rancor said:yes but the pro doesn't beat the xt or the gt doesn't beat the ultra pure and simple, and why can't they use a UT level like Metalurgy or Far Cry level like Research, instead of Pier. There are alot of naging errors in all of their benchmarks if you pay close attention.
Funny they use Pier to show off PS 3 shaders and the Pier really doesn't use any PS 3 shaders
Not even to speed things up..
Wow.
First nv comparing SM3 to SM 1, and now this?
How many SM3 shaders are there in the whole game compared to SM2 and 1?
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the ps 3 shader actaully they only used one in the 1.2 patch that was released and quickly taken back was the multi point light sources. Which in out door areas there is only ONE light source. So of course it has to no real effect outdoors.
Moloch said:So it's just bragging rights huh
No because all Far cry's indoor levels have more then one light where thats 50% of the game so you have to take that into concideration too.
You can't just take 1 portion of any game and test it, you have to test different aspects to give a valid benchmark.
But it wouldn't be valid, you have to test the whole game, because some levels run faster on diffrent cards, why not show the big picture, with every level?rancor said:well ya can't really play the game, it has to be a time demo of some sort, cpu limited won't be much fun it test out the cards
Doom3 took me a week to beat casually, as do most FPS, it's not too much to ask, just play with godmode on.