Sell me on windows 10....

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I was feeling pretty let down by AMD with the vega release so I've decided not to do a full system upgrade til Zen 2 comes out. I can decide what I want to do from there.
My 4790k, 16gb ram, and Fury Nano are just fine for now.
SO, I picked up a 1tb MSATA and am about to do a fresh install.

I'm really wanting to throw windows 7 ultimate back on.
But windows 10 is pretty much gonna be it for the foreseeable future so maybe I should take that path..
IF I install 10 it'll either be Pro or Enterprise.
I have considered LTSB since there is a nice Lite version on TPB with a lot of stuff not just turned off, but removed...
I've used that guys Lite version of 7 and really liked it.

I just don't like 10.. lol. SO Can I be sold on it?
 
I'm not gonna sell you on it, I think it's a terrible OS. Gamers aside, I think that a great many people that claim they use Windows because it runs all the applications they need are really claiming "I'm in my comfort zone and can't be arsed trying anything else".

macOS Sierra craps all over Windows in my opinion, although even macOS is becoming more and more locked down to the App Store. Where do you plan on getting Enterprise from?
 
BulletDust said:
I'm not gonna sell you on it, I think it's a terrible OS. Gamers aside, I think that a great many people that claim they use Windows because it runs all the applications they need are really claiming "I'm in my comfort zone and can't be arsed trying anything else".

macOS Sierra craps all over Windows in my opinion, although even macOS is becoming more and more locked down to the App Store. Where do you plan on getting Enterprise from?
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TPB=The Pirate Bay
 
Mods don't take kindly to discussing 'creatively acquiring' software, so keep that in mind folks…

Also, doesn't want 10 because of telemetry, but is open to using a modded OS, ok then :confused:
 
OP, if you don't like Windows 10, don't load it. Simple as that. People in here keep bashing Windows [insert # here] for whatever reason. Use what YOU want to use. Sounds like you are second guessing yourself and that never seems to go over well when making choices. If you honestly need people to sell you on it then you probably won't be content with it.
 
Modern OS with support for modern hardware that Windows 7 does not have.

Windows 7 no longer receives feature updates and will soon no longer receive security updates.

Once activated, Windows 10 will continue receiving feature updates for many years to come so you are always up to date.

Easy to reinstall without dealing with activation/product key issues. ie reinstalls without a key.

Easy to obtain installation media.

The further you fall behind with upgrading the harder it may be to get use to the new design. Jump on board early, before 7 ends updates, so it's easier long-term to adjust (it's not going away).

Most of the modern apps can be easily removed if you do not like the bloat.

The new Start Menu is significantly easier to customize and has a lot more options available than the old one.

If you only have Home, many of the pro/ent anti-telemetry/Windows Update concerns can still be tweaked with registry settings or with programs like Winaero.
 
TrailRunner said:
Mods don't take kindly to discussing 'creatively acquiring' software, so keep that in mind folks…

Also, doesn't want 10 because of telemetry, but is open to using a modded OS, ok then :confused:
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I LOVED the lite versions of 7 I've used on stuff over the years. Never had problems with them. Got them from TPB and used them on turd laptops i tend to acquire. Microsoft got their money for those machine...
Enterprise LTSB is the only lite version I can find floating the net right now...

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Modern OS with support for modern hardware that Windows 7 does not have.

Windows 7 no longer receives feature updates and will soon no longer receive security updates.

Once activated, Windows 10 will continue receiving feature updates for many years to come so you are always up to date.

Easy to reinstall without dealing with activation/product key issues. ie reinstalls without a key.

Easy to obtain installation media.

The further you fall behind with upgrading the harder it may be to get use to the new design. Jump on board early, before 7 ends updates, so it's easier long-term to adjust (it's not going away).

Most of the modern apps can be easily removed if you do not like the bloat.

The new Start Menu is significantly easier to customize and has a lot more options available than the old one.

If you only have Home, many of the pro/ent anti-telemetry/Windows Update concerns can still be tweaked with registry settings or with programs like Winaero.
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Thanks for actually answering.
Here's what I'm looking for.
I just want secure windows xp x64 lol.

This is why I'm looking at modded versions of 10
I don't want to disable the stuff that sucks just so an update can re-enable it... I want it GONE lol.

Guess I need to dig around and see how capable mods and such are for windows 10.


Maybe I can do something like this...
Get rid of all the metro trash, Cortana, ETC.
Get what I want set up on this old machine so when the time comes to upgrade, I'll know what to do...
 
10 is definitely like the chick you brought home after a few too many..
Stoly said:
TPB=The Pirate Bay
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bigdogchris said:
Modern OS with support for modern hardware that Windows 7 does not have.

Windows 7 no longer receives feature updates and will soon no longer receive security updates.

Once activated, Windows 10 will continue receiving feature updates for many years to come so you are always up to date.

Easy to reinstall without dealing with activation/product key issues. ie reinstalls without a key.

Easy to obtain installation media.

The further you fall behind with upgrading the harder it may be to get use to the new design. Jump on board early, before 7 ends updates, so it's easier long-term to adjust (it's not going away).

Most of the modern apps can be easily removed if you do not like the bloat.

The new Start Menu is significantly easier to customize and has a lot more options available than the old one.

If you only have Home, many of the pro/ent anti-telemetry/Windows Update concerns can still be tweaked with registry settings or with programs like Winaero.
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Good effort, its at least tolerable but it sounds like he won't care about the joys of keyless activation that has made my life easier because I can't go around installing "TPB" sourced windows.

Just throw it into a VM with virtualbox and you won't even have to overwrite your previous os.

There is some to like but to put it bluntly, the issues it has mostly stemming from updates has prompted me to play with linux more than I have in the past..
 
phantommaggot said:
I have considered LTSB since there is a nice Lite version on TPB with a lot of stuff not just turned off, but removed...
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Just so you know, discussion of software piracy around here is a bannable offense so, consider that if you're thinking about discussing TPB and potentially using it as a source for copyrighted software - yes it was already noted bu repetition is the Mother of all skill so, learn from it. ;)

Windows 10 LTSB is not available to casual or even typical consumers, it's a commercial product and you can't buy individual licenses so unless you work in a position that grants you a license for personal use, it's pretty much guaranteed it'll have to be pirated to be put to use. Sure a very small - and I do mean very very small - number of people have legitimate rights and licensing to use LTSB but even so the overwhelming majority of people using LTSB at this moment in time (say 97% just for kicks) aren't doing it legally.

Having said that, Windows 10 sucks, so why bother in the first place? :D

tl;dr Not just "NO" but "Fuck no." :)
 
Tiberian said:
Just so you know, discussion of software piracy around here is a bannable offense so, consider that if you're thinking about discussing TPB and potentially using it as a source for copyrighted software - yes it was already noted bu repetition is the Mother of all skill so, learn from it. ;)

Windows 10 LTSB is not available to casual or even typical consumers, it's a commercial product and you can't buy individual licenses so unless you work in a position that grants you a license for personal use, it's pretty much guaranteed it'll have to be pirated to be put to use. Sure a very small - and I do mean very very small - number of people have legitimate rights and licensing to use LTSB but even so the overwhelming majority of people using LTSB at this moment in time (say 97% just for kicks) aren't doing it legally.

Having said that, Windows 10 sucks, so why bother in the first place? :D

tl;dr Not just "NO" but "Fuck no." :)
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Love it, well said!
 
Windows 10 is hot garbage. Stay away.

Try Linux Mint. Linux on the desktop is better than Windows 10 and it's the only viable upgrade path from 7 at this point. Might as well get the switch over with.
 
Well, you can't "get rid of Cortana" because that's the actual search service name now. I'm not sure if Search has ever been removable. What you can do is disable Cortana/search from having Internet access which is what the main issue is. Normal searching has always been in Windows.

Regarding LTSB stuff, once you install Windows just manually uninstall all of the modern UI apps. LTSB is basically Windows 10 without most apps and no feature upgrades.

I definitely recommend staying on the normal branch of 10 for home home, just remove the apps you don't want. The feature upgrades is what helps keep you up to date OS wise. They are incremental version upgrades that make slight changes to slowly bring you along. Going with the true LTSB is sorta like wanting to stick with XP. You don't get use to the slight changes over time. When you finally do move to the newer version its a big change.
 
why it will keep track of everything so you don't have to.
It can remember all your passwords and keep them nice and safe on their servers.
I believe that some of the spyware (excuse me user assistance) will even report all your data, be it email, documents and any other files it sees fit right to microsoft for safe keeping and share it with whoever pays them money.
Its great




I definitely recommend staying on the normal branch of 10 for home home, just remove the apps you don't want. The feature upgrades is what helps keep you up to date OS wise. They are incremental version upgrades that make slight changes to slowly bring you along. Going with the true LTSB is sorta like wanting to stick with XP. You don't get use to the slight changes over time. When you finally do move to the newer version its a big change.


You are wrong about this.
Its a proven fact that turn off, disable features, does not prevent them from being activated again in the future.
MS controls it and they will return them back on every chance they can. NOT having them in the first place is the only way now but they can and will be installed in patches updates or any way that MS sees fit to get what they want.

90%+ of the os users don't know, don't care, and/or are just stupid.

look at stupid and see what they think......DUH
and you will understand that they gradumoated hi skoul
 
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Given how widespread Vulcan support is getting (and that it offers almost ALL of the benefits of DirectX 12 for WIn7) I see no point to 10 and have already removed it from the only machine I ever had it on.
 
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Jump on board early, before 7 ends updates, so it's easier long-term to adjust (it's not going away).
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Windows 7 isn't going away either.

In the last 12 months it's only lost 0.5% marketshare and remains at 46.63%, while Windows 10 is stalled at 29.26%. And that's not even factoring the millions of new Win7 users just added in China due to the PUBG phenomenon. Win7 is becoming the XP effect times ten.

And nobody cares about January 2020 and "updates ending so better hurry and get on 10" - MS will be forced to continue patching because the installbase will still be insane.
 
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@OP another big vote for MSMG Toolkit. It's the only reason I'm tolerating "10 Pro Lite" on my PC instead of trusty 8.1 + StartIsBack.

MSMG Toolkit allows you to rip out all the bloatware by the roots before they can take hold - from the installation files. Because trying to remove it post installation of the regular ISO (Cortana, Edge, Store, Xbox Game bullshit, the default cellphone apps and games) involves HOURS of registry and powershell surgery, and they can still sneak back in after a forced update.

Theres a how-to video for MSMG Toolkit at Majorgeeks.

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it's probably not better then W7 but it's the best Windows OS right now...Windows 7 is getting older and closer to extinction every day...the people that complain about W10 telemetry must not know that W7 also has it to a lesser degree and MS is releasing more telemetry updates for it all the time...eventually you're going to have to switch so it's better to get used to it now...
 
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it's probably not better then W7 but it's the best Windows OS right now...Windows 7 is getting older and closer to extinction every day...the people that complain about W10 telemetry must not know that W7 also has it to a lesser degree and MS is releasing more telemetry updates for it all the time...eventually you're going to have to switch so it's better to get used to it now...
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So....Just submit to your corporate overlords.
 
If you are a gamer and don’t want to worry about running an unsupported OS, you have two choices:

1 - Windows 10 and deal with everything that comes with it.

2 - Linux and come to terms that a majority of the most popular titles right now just don’t work in Linux.
 
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with previous versions of Windows consumers could afford to just skip a release like Vista or ME (Millennium Edition) because most likely a better improved OS would most likely follow...but with W10 it seems MS is changing the way it delivers an OS so there might not be a Windows 11 anytime soon...so sticking with W7 or W8 is not as viable of an option long term
 
Look at it this way:

- Windows 95 came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows 98/98SE as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows Millennium Edition aka Windows ME came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows XP as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows Vista came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows 7 as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows 8 came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows 8.1 as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows 10 came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, over 2 years after release it still has a lot of issues for a lot of people, introduced the concept of a rolling release OS to Windows users that's still causing problems, and...

So we're waiting for the fix for Windows 10 and I'm not putting any faith in Microsoft's ability to do it anytime soon if ever.

Also, I didn't stick Windows 2000 Professional in there because it was never designed or meant to be a consumer level OS, it was the upgrade for Windows NT4 basically which itself was never designed or meant for consumers. A lot of us computer people did use Win2K, of course, and still love it to this day but it stood apart from the consumer OSes by a fairly wide margin.
 
There is no windows 11. There is no “fix”. We are going to be getting new “features” added to windows 10 every 6 months. Ones like augmented reality that nobody wants. This is the reality of Microsoft’s new model and they have been very clear and open about their new business model.
 
Tiberian said:
Look at it this way:

- Windows 95 came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows 98/98SE as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows Millennium Edition aka Windows ME came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows XP as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows Vista came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows 7 as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows 8 came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, it was improved upon and then later Microsoft released Windows 8.1 as the follow up which ended up being more popular

- Windows 10 came out, had a lot of issues for a lot of people, over 2 years after release it still has a lot of issues for a lot of people, introduced the concept of a rolling release OS to Windows users that's still causing problems, and...

So we're waiting for the fix for Windows 10 and I'm not putting any faith in Microsoft's ability to do it anytime soon if ever.

Also, I didn't stick Windows 2000 Professional in there because it was never designed or meant to be a consumer level OS, it was the upgrade for Windows NT4 basically which itself was never designed or meant for consumers. A lot of us computer people did use Win2K, of course, and still love it to this day but it stood apart from the consumer OSes by a fairly wide margin.
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I never really had an issue with 95, in fact it was a major milestone in comparison to Windows 3.1. Windows 98(SE) was just like the evolution of Windows 95 with more hardware support.
 
AltTabbins said:
If you are a gamer and don’t to worry about running an unsupported OS, you have two choices:

1 - Windows 10 and deal with everything that comes with it.

2 - Linux and come to terms that a majority of the most popular titles right now just don’t work in Linux.
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Linux + playstation / XBone is the best combination in reality. W10 is not worth the hassle.
 
DPI said:
Windows 7 isn't going away either.

In the last 12 months it's only lost 0.5% marketshare and remains at 46.63%, while Windows 10 is stalled at 29.26%. And that's not even factoring the millions of new Win7 users just added in China due to the PUBG phenomenon. Win7 is becoming the XP effect times ten.

And nobody cares about January 2020 and "updates ending so better hurry and get on 10" - MS will be forced to continue patching because the installbase will still be insane.
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Lack of support for modern hardware. Enough said.

B00nie said:
The 'feature updates' are the thing why W10 is mostly hated for.
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Microsoft, rightly, is trying to get away from people who stubbornly stay on old version of Windows because they refuse to accept change. By intermittently making changes to Windows, it may help some people get use to the changes as time goes on rather than waiting for one big change all at once when a new version ships 3-5 years later.
 
Then there are those of us who have been rolling out Windows 10 across their organizations and have no issues with it. It's a great OS that runs very well, especially on modern hardware. It's the focal point of OS support for hardware manufacturers.

Linux isn't an option for everyone, and it's getting ridiculous watching certain people ignore the OP's questions and try to shove Linux down their throats.

Why not stick to what the OPs in these threads ask? In this case, the real selling point is when you go back to something older and realize how much snappier and responsive Windows 10 is. My team and I can't wait until we're 100% Windows 10 on the client side.
 
DeaconFrost said:
Linux isn't an option for everyone, and it's getting ridiculous watching certain people ignore the OP's questions and try to shove Linux down their throats.
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Give a man a fish and he stays satisfied for one day. Teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself and his family forever.
 
B00nie said:
Give a man a fish and he stays satisfied for one day. Teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself and his family forever.
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More like walking into a steakhouse, asking if the ribeye is any good, and the waiter ignores you and tells you to eat fish. In fact the waiter doesn't even seem to be helping anyone, hes just walking from table.. to table.. to table.. to table.. to table, saying the same thing.. "You really should eat fish.. you know, its the year of fish. Even if you hated fish before, you should really eat it now because its so much better than fish was last year".
 
Uh... Microsoft Windows... it's not "choice". However, sometimes you might be able skip a gen. It depends. If the gen is universally known as "bad", it will end fairly quickly and so skipping is not terribly hard. However, Microsoft doesn't consider 10 to be "bad"... so IMHO, eventually you will be forced to run 10 (and good chance it will be before "11" comes out).

"Sell you on 10"?... at best you "skip" (but forced to get the successor), but typically you are "forced". There really isn't much choice.
 
B00nie said:
Give a man a fish and he stays satisfied for one day. Teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself and his family forever.
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Linux is not an option for all users. Simple concept. Help people instead of force-feeding your opinions.
 
Well, if you have a legitimate Windows 7 Ultimate license key, just install Windows 10 using that Windows 7 key - It will net you a free copy of Windows 10 Professional AND you won't need to enter your product key anymore for future Windows 10 installs on that same hardware. Hell, you can do that to lock down your free copy of Win10 now and immediate go back to 7 for the time being if you like...


As far as Win10 being "sold" to you - that is a decision you will need to make for yourself. My only system that I kept off 10 has recently been upgraded to 10 - Win7 was needed for Windows Media Center with my HDHomeRun Cacble Card unit, but the HDHomeRun plugins for Kodi and Plex have removed my need to stay back there. Personally I find Win10 a lot easier to maintain for general family/living room TV use than 7 was. YMMV.
 
B00nie said:
Give a man a fish and he stays satisfied for one day. Teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself and his family forever.
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So what about all the software I need for work that doesn't work in Linux? What about the games I want to play that don't work in Linux? How about not being able to get Dolby ATMOS or DTS-HD audio to stream properly in Linux? (or audio being a very shitty prospect in general if you're doing more than just streaming MP3s)?....

I have an Arch Linux box that runs my 32TB file server (ZFS) and it's great, but trying to shove Linux as the be all, end all solution for everything gets really old and smells of zealotry. Simmer down.
 
B00nie said:
How about stopping force feeding windows. Now that's an idea.
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Since the OP was asking about moving from one version of Windows to another, it isn't "force feeding Windows" - it's answering his bleeping question. Get a clue, please.
 
AltTabbins said:
There is no windows 11. There is no “fix”. We are going to be getting new “features” added to windows 10 every 6 months. Ones like augmented reality that nobody wants. This is the reality of Microsoft’s new model and they have been very clear and open about their new business model.
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There's no Windows 11 until there is. Companies change their mind. 10 has a stink on it now because they waited too long to provide a telemetry opt out and provide better control over updates.

10 marketshare is stalled at around 29%, with only a 4% gain in almost a year. Meanwhile 7 lost only half a percent share in the same timeframe, and holds steady at around 46%. That's off the charts bad for a new flagship OS.

I wouldn't be surprised if they rebrand and we just get "Windows" - no version numbers so they can't be held accountable to a bad one.
 
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