FX 9590 what will be next to beat this one from AMD 2015?

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just wondering what will be coming out 8 core or more to go beyond what a fx9590 can overclock....?
 
2015? still nothing... 2015 AMD will be focused in Carrizo APUs and nothing more in the CPU market as far i know.. I also want something new and significantly better to replace my FX8350 machine but that waiting time will be long.. :(
 
There is a new X86 core coming in 2016 but it is unclear in what form (APU only?)?
In 2015 there might be stuff coming but for AM3+ there is only Piledriver listed on the roadmap.
 
2015 will see some of the same cpu's but with lower power consumption.
 
The stuff that we care about will ultimately be in the a form of an APU.
 
cageymaru said:
The stuff that we care about will ultimately be in the a form of an APU.
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It depends if they are able to get the software to make use of the gpu cores in a faster pace then what happened to cpu cores then yes, the APU will be the way to go.
 
From AMD? Nothing most likely. Our future purchases will mostly be with Intel it seems. AMD has all but abandoned our segment of the market while Intel keeps coming out with new stuff. None of it groundbreaking but still a little better each time. Hopefully I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise.
 
MacLeod said:
From AMD? Nothing most likely. Our future purchases will mostly be with Intel it seems. AMD has all but abandoned our segment of the market while Intel keeps coming out with new stuff. None of it groundbreaking but still a little better each time. Hopefully I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise.
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I very much doubt you need Intel :) for gaming at least :). With DX12 coming and Mantle seeing engines that are now running not really stressing the 8 core cpu at 2ghz why bother?

The gap (between batches that current engines use is near 40K) that developers have said could be around 100K batches for 2015. Using the Star Swarm demo as a reference is something that a 8 core Bulldozer can handle.

For software to make another leap where batches more then double tends to be really fast in a years time....
 
Best thing that Intel has released since the Bulldozer time period are their 6 cores. The 5820K is what I'm thinking about at the moment. The total system package still doesn't warrant the purchase price unless I'm using it to make money. I'm hoping that enough corporations buy into that ecosystem that the price of DDR4 comes down significantly. By that time rolls around AMD should have something new out and I can make my choice.

It's all about the GPU these days as we move to 4K gaming.
 
EagleOne said:
will the PILEDRIVER CRUSH THE fx9590?
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piledriver is the code of the cpu cores used in the 9590....

AMD ditched all the X86 core plans other than APU's to proceed with the new core set to come out in 2016 sometime Code name Skybridge.

There are a few rumors of a 6 core APU based on the excavator arch.

Bulldozer<Piledriver<Steamroller<Excavator Amd slides state they hope for 15% more performance in each iteration. Note that 15% is not IPC but total speed so it can be a combinations of improvements and clock speed.

AMD ditched the Streamroller FX cpus and the seemingly the Excavator FX cpus. These would have been the replacement for the 9590. I wish they came out with them but they canned them or never even had plans for them in the first place.
 
ebduncan said:
piledriver is the code of the cpu cores used in the 9590....

AMD ditched all the X86 core plans other than APU's to proceed with the new core set to come out in 2016 sometime Code name Skybridge.

There are a few rumors of a 6 core APU based on the excavator arch.

Bulldozer<Piledriver<Steamroller<Excavator Amd slides state they hope for 15% more performance in each iteration. Note that 15% is not IPC but total speed so it can be a combinations of improvements and clock speed.

AMD ditched the Streamroller FX cpus and the seemingly the Excavator FX cpus. These would have been the replacement for the 9590. I wish they came out with them but they canned them or never even had plans for them in the first place.
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ebduncan:

so think skybridge,,,,I can last until 2016 with my 9590 for now....thank you for this imfo.......do ya think its am3+ socket ??
:)
 
I say no way. The 6 core APU that is introduced in 2016 will not use AM3+ since that would not support the GPU or the DDR4 memory controller of the new CPU. I expect that the 2016 chips will have a new socket that is not compatible with current APUs or the FX cpus.
 
drescherjm said:
I say no way. The 6 core APU that is introduced in 2016 will not use AM3+ since that would not support the GPU or the DDR4 memory controller of the new CPU. I expect that the 2016 chips will have a new socket that is not compatible with current APUs or the FX cpus.
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yes DDR4 your right.....whole new ballgame start from scratch again
 
Araxie said:
what cooling are you using to keep that monster at 5.3ghz in the safe zone? have you made any test/bench yet?
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Excelent.. the higher i got my FX8350 was 5ghz fully stable with TEC cooling.. then i've returned to 4.8 with an kraken X60.. its doing a champion work..
 
Thank you Trimlock, I have some big bucks in the baby, runs really smooth, once you get a single stage phase.change Freon cooled I had it custom made, you don't have to worry about heat like 219watts from the 9590.

I will be good until I think 2016 before all the new AMD DDR4 and cpus and boards come out, the Gskill TidentX ram really kicks good that was the cream of the crop cream for my system, thanks, nice to meet you!
r u amd?
 
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ebduncan said:
piledriver is the code of the cpu cores used in the 9590....

AMD ditched all the X86 core plans other than APU's to proceed with the new core set to come out in 2016 sometime Code name Skybridge.

There are a few rumors of a 6 core APU based on the excavator arch.

Bulldozer<Piledriver<Steamroller<Excavator Amd slides state they hope for 15% more performance in each iteration. Note that 15% is not IPC but total speed so it can be a combinations of improvements and clock speed.

AMD ditched the Streamroller FX cpus and the seemingly the Excavator FX cpus. These would have been the replacement for the 9590. I wish they came out with them but they canned them or never even had plans for them in the first place.
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Couple small corrections:

Skybridge is the name of a framework, or family of products set to begin releasing in '15. One of the major facets of this framework is compatibility at the pin level (sockets.) People will be able to drop in ARM or x86 variants of the chips into the same socket depending on their needs. Win-win for everyone.

The upcoming ARMv8-based chip is codenamed K12 (after the mountain peak of the same name). The new x86 core is codenamed Zen.

Carrizo (Excavator APU) will ship with up to four cores max.

The original plans for the 15h family of CPU's was that from Piledriver and onwards, they would have 5 modules on the chip (MCM versions would have up to 20 cores max due to two die on a single package). This was planned for the canceled G2012 and C2012 sockets, and would have received Steamroller and Excavator successors as well. The mainstream desktop market would've received the 5-module chips on a new socket (AM4 with the 1090FX chipset). AM3+ was originally only meant for Zambezi and Piledriver would've debuted on FM2 alongside Trinity. For whatever reason, none of this panned out.
 
Is it possible skybridge will be made with ddr3/ddr4 controller, similar to how am3 cpus had ddr2/ddr3?
 
Robstar said:
Is it possible skybridge will be made with ddr3/ddr4 controller, similar to how am3 cpus had ddr2/ddr3?
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I think it is technically possible (although harder than DDR2/DDR3) however in 2016 DDR4 should be cheaper than DDR3 so I am not sure the value in doing so.
 
Bah..
I'll wait until Benchmark results are out before even buying a motherboard this time.
...probly 2 years in the future :mad:
They got me with the "Phenom 2 is good and Bulldozer is right around the corner"
Yes..I believed..
Now I do not.
It seems AMD has completely abandoned server due to teh Bulldozer suck.
K10 Opterons were pretty nice..
Consumer market chips were always derived from server chips.
I'm not sure what AMD is going to do,but I hope it's not too little too late.
They've been going down the wrong path for at least 2 years now.
 
Is it possible skybridge will be made with ddr3/ddr4 controller, similar to how am3 cpus had ddr2/ddr3?
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I don't have any details on that right now, but it's possible that the new stuff will be DDR4 only, which would make sense as prices will have stabilized by then.

I'll wait until Benchmark results are out before even buying a motherboard this time.
...probly 2 years in the future
They got me with the "Phenom 2 is good and Bulldozer is right around the corner"
Yes..I believed..
Now I do not.
It seems AMD has completely abandoned server due to teh Bulldozer suck.
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No one should ever buy a mobo for a processor when they are unsure of the performance it will have.

AMD is not abandoning servers, Warsaw and all the other parts in that channel will be replaced with better options. K12 is mainly targeting high-performance server segment and Zen will have it's place in server as well since they still believe x86 has a niche due to people who will be slow to adopt ARM.
 
NaroonGTX said:
I don't have any details on that right now, but it's possible that the new stuff will be DDR4 only, which would make sense as prices will have stabilized by then.



No one should ever buy a mobo for a processor when they are unsure of the performance it will have.

AMD is not abandoning servers, Warsaw and all the other parts in that channel will be replaced with better options. K12 is mainly targeting high-performance server segment and Zen will have it's place in server as well since they still believe x86 has a niche due to people who will be slow to adopt ARM.
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I bought mobo for a 965 BE (which there were reviews out on) with the hopes that the next architecture would be better.
It wasn't.
I believe that was in 2010. :confused:
 
Well if you bought it for the 965 BE, I don't see anything wrong with that.

About Bulldozer's perf: The engineers at the time did outright tell people that the single-thread perf would drop a bit compared to Phenom II/Barcelona, and that it would have higher overall performance (due to the additional two threads above Barcelona's six) which they were right about. Unfortunately, the enthusiast community swept that under the rug and tried to blindly say it would be an Intel killer.
 
NaroonGTX said:
Well if you bought it for the 965 BE, I don't see anything wrong with that.

About Bulldozer's perf: The engineers at the time did outright tell people that the single-thread perf would drop a bit compared to Phenom II/Barcelona, and that it would have higher overall performance (due to the additional two threads above Barcelona's six) which they were right about. Unfortunately, the enthusiast community swept that under the rug and tried to blindly say it would be an Intel killer.
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umm,Maybe the engineers did,but AMD marketing did NOT.
I am capable of dredging up old threads on 3-4 different forums. ;)
 
I'm aware of the marketing. But no one in their right mind should ever take PR's word over that of actual engineers.
 
schmuckley said:
umm,Maybe the engineers did,but AMD marketing did NOT.
I am capable of dredging up old threads on 3-4 different forums. ;)
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Reminds me of JF-AMD who posted on [H] :D

I bough X6 1055T with 890GX thinking that customer friendly AMD will allow me to upgrade to glorius next gen cpu that will get close to Nehalem. It seemed so obvious after all that was brand new chipset released less than year before Bulldozer.

Really I'm amazed how stupid I was at that time but it was very valuable lesson to never again take AMD fanboys seriously and never buy for promises of future.
 
i'm counting on the ddr3 and ddr4 and socket to be "backwards compatible" from the am3+ to new board and cpus coming out
 
ok thanks Araxie/dresherjm....by the way: APU can you explain this to me so I have a better understanding, as simple as possible I have fx9590
 
EagleOne said:
ok thanks Araxie/dresherjm....by the way: APU can you explain this to me so I have a better understanding, as simple as possible I have fx9590
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Accelerated Processing Unit.. and is just a CPU+GPU integrated in a single Die Chip.. AMD have so far the strongest APU out there as offer great GPU performance (in comparison to intel.. ). but also have nice features as Crossfire compatibility, so you can Crossfire for example an A-10 7850K with a R7 250 Discrete card to improve Graphic Performance with a low cost.. but the only problem with those APU are the super WEAK CPU counter part(again in comparison with intel but that's nothing strange), good graphic performance but mediocre CPU performance

This its the main Focus in AMD Right now and even PS4 and XBX1 use these APUs..
 
It will be a combination of a GPU and a CPU on the same package. AM3+ does not have any pins for the GPU or enough pins for DDR4 so its highly unlikely to support the new APU that comes out in 2016.
 
Araxie said:
Accelerated Processing Unit.. and is just a CPU+GPU integrated in a single Die Chip.. AMD have so far the strongest APU out there as offer great GPU performance (in comparison to intel.. ). but also have nice features as Crossfire compatibility, so you can Crossfire for example an A-10 7850K with a R7 250 Discrete card to improve Graphic Performance with a low cost.. but the only problem with those APU are the super WEAK CPU counter part(again in comparison with intel but that's nothing strange), good graphic performance but mediocre CPU performance

This its the main Focus in AMD Right now and even PS4 and XBX1 use these APUs..
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drescherjm said:
It will be a combination of a GPU and a CPU on the same package. AM3+ does not have any pins for the GPU or enough pins for DDR4 so its highly unlikely to support the new APU that comes out in 2016.
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Thank You Understand now.....so when the new apu/cpu come out you wont need video card?
 
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