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That is a hideous wound channel / cavity.. ouch! Especially with direct contact.

Would be curious to see what it would look like if a few layers of clothing over the ballistic gel.
 
What was the purpose of shooting through the drywall? To show that yes you still can kill your family if you're shooting at an intruder who runs in front of a bedroom wall?

Also he'll destroy ipads, iphones, xboxes, but he resuses the same ballastics gel?
 
The main wound channel is about equal to a .22. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w
While the petals didn't penetrate very far. If the bullet would have stayed together, those petals would have cut the entire length of the main wound channel, like a normal hollow point. A hollow point that comes apart is considered a failure.

The only thing the ammo does do well, is penetrate kevlar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQt3He4K5L8
 
BladeVenom said:
The main wound channel is about equal to a .22. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w
While the petals didn't penetrate very far. If the bullet would have stayed together, those petals would have cut the entire length of the main wound channel, like a normal hollow point. A hollow point that comes apart is considered a failure.

The only thing the ammo does do well, is penetrate kevlar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQt3He4K5L8
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Not sure I buy that. A fragmenting bullet can cut through a lot of blood vessels as it splinters out, and who knows it might have prevented the 9mm from shooting out the other side of the gel. *shrugs*

After all, the wax shotgun slugs are all the rage now since they go in as one solid mass and then splinter apart, ensuring all the energy is transferred without overpenetration.
 
BladeVenom said:
The main wound channel is about equal to a .22. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w
While the petals didn't penetrate very far. If the bullet would have stayed together, those petals would have cut the entire length of the main wound channel, like a normal hollow point. A hollow point that comes apart is considered a failure.

The only thing the ammo does do well, is penetrate kevlar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQt3He4K5L8
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A IIIA vest is basically made for slow moving lead core 9mm rounds or smaller pistol rounds. To stop rifle or a round that is all metal you generally need a plate infront of the vest... I was surprised it almost made it through though!

And ouch. I'll have to youtube HP rounds to see how this really compares, it's basically a fancy hollow point round after all. Gotta think though... Shoot a fat guy... A lot of those fragments won't make it in too far. :)
 
Being completely illegal under the Geneva Convention for military use, as inhumane, is this really something we need flooding the streets of the USA?

Mercury filled bullets are illegal, everywhere, and have similar behavior.
 
Wier said:
More gun bullshit on a tech site, just what we want. :rolleyes:
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You don't have to watch the vids or read the comments. :rolleyes:

How is it not "tech"?

You have a super high fps camera, and new bullet "tech".

If you don't like this site, go somewhere else.
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Being completely illegal under the Geneva Convention for military use, as inhumane, is this really something we need flooding the streets of the USA?

Mercury filled bullets are illegal, everywhere, and have similar behavior.
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The goal of each side in a war is to WIN, not slightly injure the enemy so they can come back and kill you later.

You wuss out in a war and you lose.
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Being completely illegal under the Geneva Convention for military use, as inhumane, is this really something we need flooding the streets of the USA?

Mercury filled bullets are illegal, everywhere, and have similar behavior.
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Hollow Points? Big deal. They are ideal for hostage situations (lower penetration), and some rounds are designed to tumble regardless (5.56x45 NATO and 5.45x39). They will also do more damage and likely kill someone quicker than regular ball ammo resulting in a less painful death.

But that is not okay. But somehow buckshot is. Or having someone burn to death inside of a burning vehicle knocked out by a 120mm shell. I can see chemical weapons being banned, but hollow points? Seems a bit silly to me.
 
The Geneva conventions were made a long time ago.....back when mustard gas came out of grenades, and shotguns were used for clearing trenches.

Hollow points fill with fluid when they hit a target and create a nasty mushroom shaped displacement of fluid moving at speeds fast enough to shred soft tissue. You can see this bubble when the round first strikes the gel on the RIP stuff....It's massive.. Hollow points use your own fluids against you....

Shootingthebull says these rounds aren't much more powerful than a .22.....And I have to agree with him, in the aftermath. The initial impact is a different story though.....That being said, I NEVER believe the hype, and this is no exception.

"Flooding our streets". If they did, it would only result in criminals being shot with crazy shreddy bullets. This country experiences nearly 4 times the shootings in the form of defensive gun uses than criminal uses. Aside from that, this is a tech site, and that video sports a VERY expensive camera, and guns....which whether you like it or not.....are still TECH. Stop being a pansy.
 
Looks like the worst hollow point ever. Designed to fail every time...nice. I'd rather have an FMJ with a chance to penetrate to something important.
 
Crixus said:
Under 30. Like your IQ.
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You give him much credit.

Looks like its not better than a hollowpoint.
It could be worse...they could be marketing another frangable...
 
Patriot said:
You give him much credit.

Looks like its not better than a hollowpoint.
It could be worse...they could be marketing another frangable...
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These look expensive to make and I feel their real value comes in bulk use, which makes them more expensive.
 
Wier said:
More gun bullshit on a tech site, just what we want. :rolleyes:
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Some of us don't mind some guns with our tech......
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I Steve needs to stop posting these vids and just replace them with hot nerdy women wearing glasses shooting guns instead.:D
 
I have never been interested in guns enough to go out and buy one or go shooting, but I do like seeing videos like this. I actually found watching the mechanics of the gun firing to be more interesting than the bullet though.
 
A couple things regarding the Geneva Conventions argument, the most important in my mind is in Common Article 2:
The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation "accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions.
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Guess who this leaves out *cough*terrorism*cough*.



Additionally, the Conventions do not specifically identify authorized/unauthorized munitions in war, only that it is considered a grave breach of the convention to:

willfully cause a great suffering or serious injury to body or health.
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This seems a bit backwards to me as killing someone is a pretty serious injury to your health, lol....but I understand what they mean. So is the use of these rounds a violation, most probably as a single shot that isn't at the least center mass will just maim the shit out of someone and cause a slow painful death.



Also, while the US has signed all the treaties related to the Geneva Conventions, a couple of the added 'Protocols' have not been ratified by the US making them non-binding. The most notable of them is Protocol I which has some interesting highlights:

Article 42 outlaw attacks on pilots and aircrews who are parachuting from an aircraft in distress
Articles 51 and 54 outlaw indiscriminate attacks on civilian populations...
Article 35 bans weapons that "cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering"...
Article 85 states that it is a war crime to use one of the protective emblems recognized by the Geneva Conventions to deceive the opposing forces.
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The various firearm forums' response to rip ammo has been pretty negative. It looks cool on camera though.
 
sfsuphysics said:
What was the purpose of shooting through the drywall? To show that yes you still can kill your family if you're shooting at an intruder who runs in front of a bedroom wall?

Also he'll destroy ipads, iphones, xboxes, but he resuses the same ballastics gel?
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That s#!ts expensive! :D
 
Like I said in the Guns subforum thread about this crap, overblown marketing and a gimmick. A new twist on ammo! ;)
 
cyclone3d said:
Cats are outside pets.

I can see the use of a bullet for a cat when it comes inside wizzes on your computer though. :p
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You don't belong this deep in the internet if you don't have a cat or have at least created two cat related memes. Back to the bunny slopes for you!
 
Commander FAT said:
That RIP ammo is one of the absolute worst ideas ever. It's a gun hating prosecutor's wet dream.
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Yup. Just like Black Talons. My CCP instructor was an attorney (ex MP and 15 year LEO) and he educated us heavily on the legal ramifications of a legit shoot. Juries look at videos like that and defense attorneys cringe.
 
xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Being completely illegal under the Geneva Convention for military use, as inhumane, is this really something we need flooding the streets of the USA?

Mercury filled bullets are illegal, everywhere, and have similar behavior.
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You do know hollow point bullets are against Geneva Convention too, right? Just because it is against the convention doesn't mean squat for the civilian market.
 
wizzi01 said:
You do know hollow point bullets are against Geneva Convention too, right?
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That's retarded. There's even certain game that you can't hunt without expanding bullets, as its considered more humane to have a more instant kill. I wonder what their logic could have been.

LIES! Just googled:
Myth 1: Hollow-point ammunition was outlawed by the Geneva Convention.

Fact: The Geneva Convention, which was actually a series of conferences held in Geneva, Switzerland, between 1863 and 1864, had absolutely nothing to do with expanding (or hollow-point) ammunition. The Geneva Convention dealt with the formation of the International Red Cross, among other things. One of its primary concerns was the treatment of prisoners of war (POWs) and the overall uniform medical care of wounded soldiers.

Myth 2: Hollow-point rounds (“dumdums”) are outlawed by international law.

Fact: Expanding bullets have never been outlawed by international law in any war or conflict that the U.S. has participated in. The issue of expanding bullets was briefly addressed at the International Peace Conference held at The Hague in the Netherlands in both 1889 and 1907. However, the U.S. never ratified the twelve-paragraph document (Declaration IV, 3) that dealt with expanding bullets. In fact, fewer than 25 countries actually signed that declaration, and that declaration has never been enforced since its ratification on July 29, 1899.
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xX_Jack_Carver_Xx said:
Being completely illegal under the Geneva Convention for military use, as inhumane, is this really something we need flooding the streets of the USA?

Mercury filled bullets are illegal, everywhere, and have similar behavior.
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Nothing in your post is factual. How do you guys come up with this shit?
 
Ducman69 said:
That's retarded. There's even certain game that you can't hunt without expanding bullets, as its considered more humane to have a more instant kill. I wonder what their logic could have been.

LIES! Just googled:
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Well look at the article 35 that was pointed out earlier.
 
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