So who will win the performance crown?

S

Stoly

Supreme [H]ardness
Joined
Jul 26, 2005
Messages
6,713
The R9 290X wins over Titan in several games and by a respectable lead in 4k resolutions.

780Ti is on the horizon and may get back the crown, but I don't think its going to be a clear win.

But even IF the 780Ti wins over the R9 290X, it surely can't beat it on price.

I'm just grateful we are getting better than Titan performance for almost half the price.
 
its simply too fast to talk about that.. just few games was tested with the 290X and was with the reference model, im sincerely hoping to see non reference models with aftermarket coolers.. in many senses the 780TI with the [H] Confirmed specs will beat out the Titan out of the box. but that was something that the regular 780 done in the past with factory overclocked models so are many things still to see, the real king will wear the crown not yet but in the future with more models in the market.
 
I agree, no clear winner. NV will be faster at low resolutions, however I doubt it will win at eyefinity and 4k, the lead is pretty strong by the 290x. It might trade blows in the end.

The ti may in fact actually win, since it's the fully enabled 580 successor finally being released so I believe the chip itself has (was it 5-10%?) more to offer, then they will clock it up a bit, and throw on 7 GHz ram. However with that said, I am 75% sure $700 is too much for the lead it has, if any.
 
I'm waiting for the 290 myself as there is limit that most will go for performance and $400-450 is about it for me.. so I could care less about the 780GTX Ti and the $700 price tag that Nvidia just doesn't want to give up for some reason.
 
Stoly said:
The R9 290X wins over Titan in several games and by a respectable lead in 4k resolutions.

780Ti is on the horizon and may get back the crown, but I don't think its going to be a clear win.

But even IF the 780Ti wins over the R9 290X, it surely can't beat it on price.

I'm just grateful we are getting better than Titan performance for almost half the price.
Click to expand...

no one cares about 4k now...it'll be relevant in maybe 3 years

780Ti not a clear win?...it'll be the same win that the 290x had over the Titan

the 290x with aftermarket cooling will be around $600-650...not a huge difference from 780Ti launch prices
 
The Titan isn't really a gaming card, it's between their gaming line and their professional quadro cards. Double point precision and all those CUDA cores don't help in games, but they do help will professional applications that can take advantage of it.
 
well technically 7990 is still the fastest single card around and cost less that 290x and 780ti
if it wasn't for the 400W+ at full load and CF:p
 
PcZac said:
The Titan isn't really a gaming card, it's between their gaming line and their professional quadro cards. Double point precision and all those CUDA cores don't help in games, but they do help will professional applications that can take advantage of it.
Click to expand...

Of course it is. The GK110 is the exact same chip used in the 780 and 780Ti. The fact that you can enable all its FP64 cores doesn't affect its gaming capabilities at all.
 
At 1600p and below an OC 780Ti will probably beat an OC 290X, over that the 290X will win. There's too much of a gap for Nvidia to cover with just a card refresh.
 
At 700$, i'm pretty sure the 780ti will win the performance crown. I don't know if this will change at 4k resolution or whatever, though - the 290X seems to be very strong at super high resolutions. Then again, that resolution is a niche of a niche, so....

In any case it doesn't really matter since both of these cards are in different price brackets. So even if 780ti wins handily (and I expect it to at 1080p-1600p), I don't see a reason to cry foul or gloat over it because it does cost substantially more than both the 290X and GTX 780.
 
Stoly said:
Of course it is. The GK110 is the exact same chip used in the 780 and 780Ti. The fact that you can enable all its FP64 cores doesn't affect its gaming capabilities at all.
Click to expand...

For gaming, it was never meant to be the best gaming card, in terms of price for performance. There's always several posts in these threads saying "THIS CARD IS BETTER THAN A $1,000 TITAN, NVIDIA IS OVERPRICED" That's who my post was directed at.
 
PcZac said:
For gaming, it was never meant to be the best gaming card, in terms of price for performance. There's always several posts in these threads saying "THIS CARD IS BETTER THAN A $1,000 TITAN, NVIDIA IS OVERPRICED" That's who my post was directed at.
Click to expand...

Well, the R9 290X is faster than titan at close to half price, so Titan IS overpriced more so today than ever, so what's your point?
 
Stoly said:
Well, the R9 290X is faster than titan at close to half price, so Titan IS overpriced more so today than ever, so what's your point?
Click to expand...

It's not overpriced if you want a professional level card with 6 gigs of vram, more cuda cores, and double precision. It's a special use card, it shouldn't be compared to gaming cards in terms of cost per performance.
 
PcZac said:
It's not overpriced if you want a professional level card with 6 gigs of vram, more cuda cores, and double precision. It's a special use card, it shouldn't be compared to gaming cards in terms of cost per performance.
Click to expand...

Well than NV's marketing dept did a piss poor job because it's listed as a desktop graphics card on the egg, not a professional card. When you look at it like that, at least through the retailer side of it online, it's telling me it's a gaming card.
 
Venomous said:
Well than NV's marketing dept did a piss poor job because it's listed as a desktop graphics card on the egg, not a professional card. When you look at it like that, at least through the retailer side of it online, it's telling me it's a gaming card.
Click to expand...

Since the Presentation and launch of the card, Nvidia had marketed the GTX TITAN as "Bring the power of the Super Computers to your home" TITAN its a professional Card with Great gaming capabilities and its ridiculous cheap to be a entry level Professional card..
 
Stoly said:
The R9 290X wins over Titan in several games and by a respectable lead in 4k resolutions.

780Ti is on the horizon and may get back the crown, but I don't think its going to be a clear win.

But even IF the 780Ti wins over the R9 290X, it surely can't beat it on price.

I'm just grateful we are getting better than Titan performance for almost half the price.
Click to expand...

dont care actually.
I buy the card that suits my value/price performance and its never Nvidia.
 
I'll stick to the whole, you pay what you get for attitude. I've learned by being involved in the gaming scene for many years that AMD cards suffer big time with quality control and general issues with games. I can't even tell you how many games I've seen where there are special sticky topics or patches just for AMD cards. Never had an issue at all with NV. A couple frames here and there isn't worth the inefficiency, unreliable hardware/software, and frequent issues in new games that come out.
 
XSNiper said:
I'll stick to the whole, you pay what you get for attitude. I've learned by being involved in the gaming scene for many years that AMD cards suffer big time with quality control and general issues with games. I can't even tell you how many games I've seen where there are special sticky topics or patches just for AMD cards. Never had an issue at all with NV. A couple frames here and there isn't worth the inefficiency, unreliable hardware/software, and frequent issues in new games that come out.
Click to expand...

I think AMD is turning that corner... When the Radeon first came out, they had their share of issues due to drivers. A few generations later they finally got their shit together. I think when AMD made the purchase it really shook everything up. The dust is now settling and AMD is finally coming back a lot stronger than anyone predicted.
 
Venomous said:
I think AMD is turning that corner... When the Radeon first came out, they had their share of issues due to drivers. A few generations later they finally got their shit together. I think when AMD made the purchase it really shook everything up. The dust is now settling and AMD is finally coming back a lot stronger than anyone predicted.
Click to expand...

I really wish I could see it, all I'm seeing is issues with coil whine, heat, loud fans, several iterations of Beta drivers to get the latest games to work right...this has been going on for YEARS.
 
Araxie said:
its simply too fast to talk about that.. just few games was tested with the 290X and was with the reference model, im sincerely hoping to see non reference models with aftermarket coolers.. in many senses the 780TI with the [H] Confirmed specs will beat out the Titan out of the box. but that was something that the regular 780 done in the past with factory overclocked models so are many things still to see, the real king will wear the crown not yet but in the future with more models in the market.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, I must of missed where the [H] confirmed specs for the 780TI, could you go ahead and link that article or post to me.
 
Wait until the 290x's with 3d party cooling show up. Then we'll see the true story.
 
Venomous said:
I think AMD is turning that corner... When the Radeon first came out, they had their share of issues due to drivers. A few generations later they finally got their shit together. I think when AMD made the purchase it really shook everything up. The dust is now settling and AMD is finally coming back a lot stronger than anyone predicted.
Click to expand...

I tried to think this way. My friend wanted a new PC this weekend, so we went out and bought him parts to build it. For the price he wanted, AMD was the way to go. We got a 990FX board and an 8320 for a great price, and when we went to look at graphics cards the R9-270X was priced well below comparable Nvidia cards, and being a prior ATi fan he wanted it so we grabbed it. 14 hours and one store return later we did not have a working graphics card. Apparently it is happening sometimes with the new drivers for the R9 series for the card to simply stop working once the driver is loaded. 270X-290X, people have been having the same issue. We returned the second card for an Nvidia GTX 760 that was on sale, lo and behold he immediately can play his games instead of staying up all night troubleshooting and re-installing multiple different copies of windows.

I was patiently waiting for the 290 cards to come but this experience put me back into a GTX 780 for $499, price/performance be damned. At least it works when I plug it in.
 
LigTasm said:
I tried to think this way. My friend wanted a new PC this weekend, so we went out and bought him parts to build it. For the price he wanted, AMD was the way to go. We got a 990FX board and an 8320 for a great price, and when we went to look at graphics cards the R9-270X was priced well below comparable Nvidia cards, and being a prior ATi fan he wanted it so we grabbed it. 14 hours and one store return later we did not have a working graphics card. Apparently it is happening sometimes with the new drivers for the R9 series for the card to simply stop working once the driver is loaded. 270X-290X, people have been having the same issue. We returned the second card for an Nvidia GTX 760 that was on sale, lo and behold he immediately can play his games instead of staying up all night troubleshooting and re-installing multiple different copies of windows.

I was patiently waiting for the 290 cards to come but this experience put me back into a GTX 780 for $499, price/performance be damned. At least it works when I plug it in.
Click to expand...

Yes... both sides have DOA cards. That sucks but don't act like this is somehow unusual.
Also, don't act like that is somehow driver related...
 
I have thus far never had issues with DOA on either side. However, game related problems are more frequent (or I should say were more frequent) when I was using a 7970 based solution (in mid 2012) than I have experienced with nVidia to date.

It was a similar story for 4870, 5850, 5870 and 6950 that were in my rig prior to the 7970.
 
polonyc2 said:
no one cares about 4k now...it'll be relevant in maybe 3 years

780Ti not a clear win?...it'll be the same win that the 290x had over the Titan

the 290x with aftermarket cooling will be around $600-650...not a huge difference from 780Ti launch prices
Click to expand...

I agree.

The sad thing is that NVIDIA is still able to use their chip from last year to maintain the lead. We need serious competition from AMD. Hawaii is disappointing to say the least.
 
polonyc2 said:
no one cares about 4k now...it'll be relevant in maybe 3 years

780Ti not a clear win?...it'll be the same win that the 290x had over the Titan

the 290x with aftermarket cooling will be around $600-650...not a huge difference from 780Ti launch prices
Click to expand...

Can you show me the launch price of the 780ti and the performance benchmarks please? I must have missed the launch and the reviews.

Oh, wait, you are basing your information on leaked slides. Have you learned nothing? Look at how wrong the leaked info was about the 290x, in both price and performance. Or what about the Titan, how all the leaked slides had it faster than a 690.

We won't know what the price or performance will be until launch.
 
PRIME1 said:
I agree.

The sad thing is that NVIDIA is still able to use their chip from last year to maintain the lead. We need serious competition from AMD. Hawaii is disappointing to say the least.
Click to expand...

nvidia does not have the lead. R9 290X in uber mode beat the Titan by an avg of 3 - 4% at 1440p which is where these cards are required most.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...iews/63742-amd-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-review.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/R9_290X_OC/26.html

wait for tomorrow's R9 290 launch. indications are there is a performance bump for R9 290X. so by thursday we will see if Nvidia takes back the crown decisively or shares it. the way I see it Nvidia cannot win the GPU crown decisively because the perf lead at high res 4k and eyefinity is significant in AMD's favour. Nvidia will have to get used to not having the fastest GPU in the world for the next 9 -12 months.
 
LordEC911 said:
Yes... both sides have DOA cards. That sucks but don't act like this is somehow unusual.
Also, don't act like that is somehow driver related...
Click to expand...

Right, so the cards working 100% until the driver loads, in three different version of windows (in three different machines I might add), and working fine in linux is not driver related. DOA stand for dead on arrival, not dead when 13.11 beta 8 loads. This launch doesn't have as many issues as the Nvidia 700 series did with drivers at least.
 
PRIME1 said:
I agree.

The sad thing is that NVIDIA is still able to use their chip from last year to maintain the lead. We need serious competition from AMD. Hawaii is disappointing to say the least.
Click to expand...

If you could go ahead and link an article showing any Nvidia card that beats the R290x that would be great.

LigTasm said:
Right, so the cards working 100% until the driver loads, in three different version of windows (in three different machines I might add), and working fine in linux is not driver related. DOA stand for dead on arrival, not dead when 13.11 beta 8 loads. This launch doesn't have as many issues as the Nvidia 700 series did with drivers at least.
Click to expand...

Why were you using beta drivers? There is a reason the are called "beta," but hey, go ahead and keep blaming AMD for your own ineptitude.
 
LigTasm said:
Right, so the cards working 100% until the driver loads, in three different version of windows (in three different machines I might add), and working fine in linux is not driver related. DOA stand for dead on arrival, not dead when 13.11 beta 8 loads. This launch doesn't have as many issues as the Nvidia 700 series did with drivers at least.
Click to expand...

So it does work... You stated, paraphrasin, "it never worked."

How is the card working 100% before you install a driver?
 
polonyc2 said:
no one cares about 4k now...it'll be relevant in maybe 3 years

780Ti not a clear win?...it'll be the same win that the 290x had over the Titan

the 290x with aftermarket cooling will be around $600-650...not a huge difference from 780Ti launch prices
Click to expand...

All of us "no ones" that run eyefinity sure do care about 4k and beyond. Just because it isn't mainstream doesn't mean that there is no one using it. :rolleyes:
 
veedubfreak said:
All of us "no ones" that run eyefinity sure do care about 4k and beyond. Just because it isn't mainstream doesn't mean that there is no one using it. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

I agree, I don't get why people assume that 4k + resolutions aren't relevant. I currently run a resolution higher than 4k.
 
darkstarcow said:
Why were you using beta drivers? There is a reason the are called "beta," but hey, go ahead and keep blaming AMD for your own ineptitude.
Click to expand...

Since I didn't want to type the entire story out as this really isn't the place, we originally tried it on windows 8.1 (before you jump on me saying its an 8.1 issue, we tried 8 and 7 as well) which automatically loads the drivers on the first boot. Any drivers that were compatible on the AMD website had the same results, as well as the drivers on both discs that came with the cards.

LordEC911 said:
So it does work... You stated, paraphrasin, "it never worked."

How is the card working 100% before you install a driver?
Click to expand...

Both cards (two different 270X models) worked from POST to the windows loading screen. They also worked under Mint with the open source drivers. They did not work once any AMD drivers were loaded. The likelyhood of both of those having a hadware fault that causes the same issue is probably pretty low.

I use both companies and I normally only recommend AMD cards to people who want to build a machine, I don't give a shit either way. I was just responding to something saying that AMD is out of the woods with their drivers already, there are still problems around. I also pointed out that Nvidia had a lot harder time at the 700 series launch. Take it however you want, I still have more red cards in my house than the single green one.
 
What's with these AMD salesman, trying to pawn off 4k monitors as a meaningful benchmark. No one besides maybe two people I can see getting one, Vega and maybe one more person. For 3500 dollars, a person could buy 10 27" Korean Ips/pls monitors and have enough left over for videocard.

Just because AMD gave review sites a free 4k monitor to test the card, does not mean they are going to be accessible in the near future.
 
tajoh111 said:
What's with these AMD salesman, trying to pawn off 4k monitors as a meaningful benchmark. No one besides maybe two people I can see getting one, Vega and maybe one more person. For 3500 dollars, a person could buy 10 27" Korean Ips/pls monitors and have enough left over for videocard.

Just because AMD gave review sites a free 4k monitor to test the card, does not mean they are going to be accessible in the near future.
Click to expand...

and are you going to run those 10 monitors on seperate cards?
 
The Denver Broncos. :D Oops, not that performance crown. :) Does not matter but it is kind of fun nonetheless to see what happens.
 
nvidia is going to win, otherwise they wouldnt be able to charge $699.

as for $K, who cares, a few years it might matter, for now, it's a big who cares.


It's kinda troubling to me, that nivdia can take a chip it made a year ago and get better performance, that's also most likely going to be quieter and cooler.

does not bode well for the future consumer prices
 
wont be able ? thy can put any price thy want, hence there are overpriced cards
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top