Microsoft Is Removing Xbox One DRM

Arcygenical said:
Bahaha.

Red Herring much?
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Rizen said:
I think people were also worried about the fact that Microsoft patented a system to use the Kinect camera and face tracking to identify how many people were in the room, and potentially implement a form of content licensing based on viewers. I doubt they would ever actually do this, but it's still a somewhat disturbing thought.
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MS has tons of patents, they can target ads at you with Kinect I hear people bitching about that all the time then they sit down to use their gmail...with targeted ads.

Look I don't care if you really are scared of this stuff but then you better not have any smart phones with cameras, laptops or anything else. Better have opened up anyone's you might have and pulled out the microphones and cameras. Good luck making phone calls.

What I see here is nothing other than anti MS hate and double standards from people doing hypocritical things like crying about required connections over the internet.. Whining about DRM and used games then loading up a steam game.. You guys have already been putting up with this stuff for nearly 10 years and suddenly MS does it and you care? But google, apple, sony, no problem if they do it eh. And now people are giving sony a pass for requiring PS+ to play online.

There are only 2 legitimate reasons to not like the Xbox one now, 1 its an inferior system spec wise, 2 it costs $100 more. Every other issue you guys are already dealing with on your computers or other products and I don't hear any of you burning up the mobile forum going WHERE CAN I GET A PHONE WITH NO CAMERA?!?!?! don't want the gov'nor spying on me.
 
^ I think the huge NSA data center in Utah just blew your "conspiracy theories" out the ass.
Oh, did you also forget about PRISM.

As I said before, submit slave.
 
rudy said:
There are only 2 legitimate reasons to not like the Xbox one now, 1 its an inferior system spec wise, 2 it costs $100 more. Every other issue you guys are already dealing with on your computers or other products and I don't hear any of you burning up the mobile forum going WHERE CAN I GET A PHONE WITH NO CAMERA?!?!?! don't want the gov'nor spying on me.
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there are few more
you cant share games any more and you have to have the disk to play and no chance for steam level sales
i wanted a console that didnt need media .... and games that go on sale for 10 bucks
i WAS going to get XB1 now im not... ill just stick with PC and steam
 
This sucks. I wanted to see how hard Microsoft would fail with the Xbox One. Now they have a fighting chance.

DAMMIT. I have all this popcorn ready.
 
They'll use this to raise prices.

Anwho, take out Kinect, and maybe we got something here! Not that I hate Kinect, just don't like it being an absolute necessity.
 
How long will it be before Microsoft adds these "enhancements" back to the one?
 
pothb said:
They'll use this to raise prices.

Anwho, take out Kinect, and maybe we got something here! Not that I hate Kinect, just don't like it being an absolute necessity.
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Yeah, if they take out enough of the things that make it interesting or unique, the console will be much better. Oh wait, "specs!"

I'm reminded again that people hate change unless someone else commits to it despite the naysayers. It's too bad Microsoft didn't have the courage of their convictions. I suspect that had the original Xbox One actually been attached to people's TVs for a year, the advantages would have shined through the negativity.
 
There's no reason that microsoft can not stick to their changes and STILL offer this same service.

All they would need to do is have a way that people can have the option of either installing a game they buy and tying it to their account (making it not resalable) but getting the benefit of the family sharing plan, or chooes not to tie it to their account and having it be resalable like games are now.
 
this video that [H] posted, really outlines the situation MS had dug for themselves:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1767650

the interviewer says he's pretty sure that if MS wanted/needed to, they could disable DRM for any number of reasons, by essentially flipping a switch. MS representative Larry Nelson then practically gets in his face and says DID YOU PROGRAM THIS THING, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

and after the interview, AJ has a long monologue which really outlined all the question marks still left due to Microsoft's resistance to actually outlining everything.
 
I feel like half the problem was that Microsoft just wouldn't tell us everything. and many of their answers came in multiple variations. Had they clearly defined everything at E3, I don't think it would have garnered quite as much backlash. It seemed like everyday I was finding out something new about the Xbone. That is not an assuring situation.
 
They blew it by even implementing that idea into their Xbox One strategy in the first place. What's to stop them from re-implementing it at a later date? That's the big thing right there.
 
Not a console guy so not much vested, but to see this just makes me think: Titanic - All Aboard!
 
the drm policy wouldnt have effected me anyway. (i have net access, and i dont sell my games)

but this makes for an excellent example of how competition is good.
 
also, im a pc gamer with 90% of my games purchased on steam, ive already grown accustomed to that drm, and it usually has no bearing on my gameplay.
 
Of course, we now know they can change how their system is going to work at a moment's notice.
So now people will buy and XBOX One thinking things are going to be great.
Before you use the system, you'll have to agree to the Terms and Conditions.
In the terms and conditions, there will be the infamous text saying "By agreeing, you exclude yourself from any and all class action lawsuits against us."
Now they're protected from you.
Who says they won't change it back to their agressive DRM later?
You can' sue because you agreed.
Screwed.

Not saying that will happen, its just a theory.
 
I for one had no problem with the DRM. The fact that a software company only gets paid once while a game is shared by 5 to 10 gamers doesn't make sense to me. If some game developer creates a kickass title, I'd like to see them get paid for it to ensure their next title is just as good.
 
Between the Windows 8 disaster and this latest fiasco I'm starting to think Microsoft is really circling the drain. The company needs real leadership at the top.
 
ondaedg said:
I for one had no problem with the DRM. The fact that a software company only gets paid once while a game is shared by 5 to 10 gamers doesn't make sense to me. If some game developer creates a kickass title, I'd like to see them get paid for it to ensure their next title is just as good.
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Huh? It doesn't make sense? There's tons of products that are multi-use, some of them very good quality. It's just the simple fact of things, some items are one use, some are good for many uses. Games could potentially be either depending on who you ask, it's not really black and white which one they "should" be.

If they aren't transferable, they sure aren't worth the current full retail price IMO. Of course, I typically hold on to my games and also rarely pay full retail for them. So again, not black and white :p
 
polonyc2 said:
'significantly' being the key word...is the 7870 that much better then a 7790?
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Well, in a PC, it's about 50% high framerates from the couple of reviews I just googled 30 seconds ago. Depends if you call that "significant".
 
Well, at least Microsoft decided to listen to customer feedback, for once, because if they did go through with their DRM scheme they may as well lose most of their fans and community support.
 
polonyc2 said:
how is the Xbox One 'significantly weaker'?...the CPU is the same while the video card is a 7790 equivalent while the PS4 is a 7870
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Rumour has it the CPU is also clocked lower. The machine also has less than half the memory bandwidth even with it's large on die cache. Also the resources of the XBO are split between two VM's which means less grunt to go around on the game side and added impact (however small) from the hyper visor.
 
Tudz said:
Well, in a PC, it's about 50% high framerates from the couple of reviews I just googled 30 seconds ago. Depends if you call that "significant".
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Exactly. I've seen numbers ranging from 30% to 50%. There's a Forbes article out there quoting a developer at E3 stating that that PS4 is 40% faster. He goes on to state that there will be a noticeable difference in cross-platform titles from day one.
 
ondaedg said:
I for one had no problem with the DRM. The fact that a software company only gets paid once while a game is shared by 5 to 10 gamers doesn't make sense to me. If some game developer creates a kickass title, I'd like to see them get paid for it to ensure their next title is just as good.
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If a company make a kickass title, they wouldn't have to worry about used sales because anyone who wants it would get it on day one, and people would be playing the game for a long time. Look at titles like Halo and CoD, you have people lining up during midnight just to get it on day 1.

If the game is crappy, well, that's the problem. Even on PC, crappy games would mean most users will just wait till it hit 5 bucks on Steam sales which means more units sold but at a very low price (while on console it would mean less units sold, but at full price). The end result is the same.

Make a great game and it will sell more unit at full price everywhere.
 
Lunas said:
The RAM in the xbone is also slower gddr3 vs gddr5.
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Depends , the CPU is better of with low latency ram(DDR3) , the GPU can handle better bandwidth on GDDR5. You are forgetting that Xbox1 has ESram, which is there to buffer things.
 
polonyc2 said:
'significantly' being the key word...is the 7870 that much better then a 7790?
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I though it was more like 7770 compared to 7870 which is a massive 80% advantage right there. even if its 7790 like then that still puts the PS4 at 50% more graphics power.
 
It's obvious they screwed up but given their complete backtrack and removing (almost) everything that annoyed everyone, surely they deserve some credit?
 
After skipping on the PS3 this generation, I think I'm still going with PS4 next gen, maybe I'll check out the Xbone 180 when the price comes down, but that kinect thing being always on, always watching... seems like there's a horror movie idea in there somewhere.
 
The Donut said:
It's obvious they screwed up but given their complete backtrack and removing (almost) everything that annoyed everyone, surely they deserve some credit?
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The simple fact of the matter is that Microsoft has and continues to suck at marketing. The xbox one had some amazing ideas but they didn't communicate them clearly nor did they do a good job of explaining the tech behind them or what they were trying to do with the tech.

Even after doing a ton of reading in the beginning it was never clear what Microsoft was doing with their online checks, family share plan, and digital distribution. It took the E3 snafu, multiple reports to clear up the confusion.

You have Microsoft actually insulting people when asking questions, they got their neckbeards all twisted up and their PR was worse than Amy's Baking Company. Microsoft understands technology but nothing else. Even in the anonymous Xbox engineer article he goes off on the customer

Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.
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Sony didn't come out with this shit, they took what MS was giving the consumers who railed against their "vision" and Sony made MS their bitch repeatedly and MS just kept digging their hole deeper. Until MS had to recant their whole DRM scheme and eat crow in front of the whole gaming world all because their too inept to actually hire an effective communicator to present what the Xbox one was supposed to be. Instead a vast majority of people believe it is a spy box for the NSA and that MS hates the military.
 
worst decision ever.
shouldve left it like it was and took a chance.


now, theres no incentive for devs to create large, expensive, time invested master pieces considering their work will just get pirated to hell and back now that theres no DRM.

its all gonna bite us back in the end. be careful what you wish for is all i gotta say.
bring on the lackluster, shoddy, sub par releases, and lets continue the dry dummers.
 
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