Google Rejects Fat Job Applicants?

[Weenis]

To add onto this, I have no problem with someone who is actually diagnosed with a medical condition that leads to their obesity. A failing thyroid gland, diabetes, etc etc. Though, many of these conditions are due to poor lifestyle choices.

Agreed there are conditions like this, 90% of people claim thyroid issues when they're just lazy shits. Many people have thyroid issues DUE to their obesity which make it a more serious issue that is harder to overcome.

Diabetes does not make you fat.

Those saying well some are predisposed to be harder to lose weight, you are full of shit. If you do not eat excessive calories and you burn off the ones you do eat, it is impossible to gain. People are not perpetual energy devices.

 

[Fantasyalive]

Who cares, fat people mean higher insurance rates and more health problems which means missing work etc.


I'm sorry but I don't think it's terribly wrong to discriminate against someone who consciously puts themselves into poor health.

My mom is currently working for company as a nurse that offers rebates on insurance if you sign up/go and follow her instructions on living a more healthy lifestyle. IE excercise program and eating more healthy. If you don't follow her instructions you lose out on insurance rebate and can't reapply for a full year.

 

[Weenis]

My mom is currently working for company as a nurse that offers rebates on insurance if you sign up/go and follow her instructions on living a more healthy lifestyle. IE excercise program and eating more healthy. If you don't follow her instructions you lose out on insurance rebate and can't reapply for a full year.

That's awesome, while I don't think people should need an incentive outside of their own personal well-being... if it is helping people become more healthy I'm all for it.

 

[Fan_Atic]

I know a lot of "Fat" people that are 10x more healthy with less medical problems than a lot of skinny people lol. Saying skinny is automatically more healthy than overweight is blatantly false. Course no one said whether or not these women were morbidly obese.

On another note it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of age. Yet health insurance gets extremely expensive the older you get and you are much more likely to have health issues at that point in your life even if you're "living and appearing healthy." So I doubt that argument can hold water. There is a reason you aren't asked questions about your health or any medical conditions during a job interview. It's none of the employers business if you are able to the do the job.

 

[weebling1]

This is not entirely true. A lot of people are predispositioned to having weight problems.

I am predisposed to jelly donuts, I call it 'the Elvis Syndrome'

 

[Solidstate89]

As a fat ass myself, all I can say is; fuck off.

Unless you actually have proof, shut the hell up. Stop feeling so entitled. Ever think you were maybe just too incompetent to be hired?

 

[Katalysis]

The united states government can deny you employment based on number of children and certain agencies can deny you service if you are not married.

Military can deny you employment if you have to many children, Air Force will not let unmarried pilots fly certain aircraft.

And I'm pretty sure you can be barred from military service still if you say you're gay.


Being fat should not be a protected right, period. If you want to be fat sure I don't care, as long as it does not hinder others.

Being gay doesn't come into factor with medical insurance or how often you might be sick.


Intentionally stuffing your fucking face because you lack will or are too lazy to exercise should garner you no special protections.

Go to the fucking gym.

We're not talking about the military, we are talking about a private employer. They cannot ask if you have a bunch of kids or are planning on having more, which is going to cause a bigger spike on health insurance premiums than being overweight ever would be, and how often you get sick sure as shit does--you think they might want to know if you have cancer in remission which might come back and cost a ton?

The obesity problem in America has a lot more issues than people just going to the gym. I'm not saying they deserve any special protection, but to say it's just them being hedonists is an over simplification.

 

[Weenis]

I know a lot of "Fat" people that are 10x more healthy with less medical problems than a lot of skinny people lol. Saying skinny is automatically more healthy than overweight is blatantly false. Course no one said whether or not these women were morbidly obese.

On another note it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of age. Yet health insurance gets extremely expensive the older you get and you are much more likely to have health issues at that point in your life even if you're "living and appearing healthy." So I doubt that argument can hold water. There is a reason you aren't asked questions about your health or any medical conditions during a job interview. It's none of the employers business if you are able to the do the job.

So you dispute that heart disease is the leading cause of death?

What the fuck do you think causes heart disease? Surely it's not going to the gym and eating healthy foods.

I'm not attacking fat people, but fuck you if you think being over weight doesn't put an unnecessary burden on others.

Fat people cause MY health care to be more expensive being a healthy and exercising individual that is not right.

 

[Mackowitz]

This^

1.) Hiring overweight people WILL drive up health insurance costs. If you - as an employer - provide health insurance this is worth considering.

2.) Overweight people are unhealthy people. Unhealthy people miss more work. You don't want an employee to miss work.

3.) If someone is undisciplined in taking care of their own body, it is not a stretch to assume that they might be undisciplined in tending to their work.

You are making some generalizations about overweight people. I am an overweight person by any definition of obesity (6'-0", 255 lbs). But looking at your three points:
(1) recently went to the doctor for a foot infection, needed some antibiotics (nothing to do with my weight). Before that I hadn't been to a doctor in 12 years. I'm not driving up my employers insurance rates.
(2) I have been working for 20+ years and have taken 1 sick day that I was actually sick. I have taken sick days when my kids are sick, but I don't miss work (I also don't get sick often)
(3) I'm very disciplined in tending to my work, just not as good about tending to how much I eat. Some could argue they work so hard and so many hours that they don't have time to pack a healthy lunch and eat fast food because it's quick.

There is nothing wrong with judging people based on their lifestyle choices.

Having children is a lifestyle choice, being married is a lifestyle choice. It could be argued that religion and sexual orientation are lifestyle choices. You can't discriminate based on any of those "lifestyle choices." It's illegal.

I agree with you on the slovenly people.

The obesity problem in America has a lot more issues than people just going to the gym. I'm not saying they deserve any special protection, but to say it's just them being hedonists is an over simplification.

100% agree with this.

 

[Weenis]

We're not talking about the military, we are talking about a private employer. They cannot ask if you have a bunch of kids or are planning on having more, which is going to cause a bigger spike on health insurance premiums than being overweight ever would be, and how often you get sick sure as shit does--you think they might want to know if you have cancer in remission which might come back and cost a ton?

The obesity problem in America has a lot more issues than people just going to the gym. I'm not saying they deserve any special protection, but to say it's just them being hedonists is an over simplification.

Being overweight means higher risk for a slew of health problems, PERIOD. It is not the same as having children, no one expects you to throw your children away.

It's not unreasonable to expect you to not be a lazy glutton to work at certain places. Military has physical fitness standards (although some branches have shitty standards), fire fighters have to have certain physical fitness standards, and so do police officers. FBI/CIA etc all have fitness standards.

I see no reason why private companies... PRIVATE FUCKING COMPANIES, should have restrictions on having standards on employee health.


Please provide me the reasoning why fat people should have immunity from being discriminated against.. other than "LOLOLOOLOL FREEDOM FRIES" or "I have the right to do whatever I want with my money"...

Because if you pull the latter, companies have the same right. Companies have ZERO obligation to hire someone.

 

[DoggyDaddi]

I have no sympathy, and NO patience for fat people. At work, I actually had a customer ask me to help her tie her shoes, as bending over and reaching past her gut required much effort.

I've witnessed on no less then 4 different occasions, a customer coughing or sneezing, and shitting their pants.

I see them stagger around like wounded livestock, unable to kneel down to pick up their dropped purse/wallet, and unable to get up from their chair after eating their food. They sit like giant squatting toads, and stagger about in a leaned back barely balanced position to offset the weight of their guts.

With all this, I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like, to feel all that weight slowly crushing down on your ever-gurgling insides, as you slowly age, your body sags, and your bones warp and twist under the endless burden. Seriously... fuck that.

People won't change if they don't HAVE to.. it's become the basis for human nature and modern society. If you want these people to take better care of themselves, you're going to have to take the choice away from them.

 

[Katalysis]

I'm not attacking fat people, but fuck you if you think being over weight doesn't put an unnecessary burden on others.

lmao

 

[Weenis]

You are making some generalizations about overweight people. I am an overweight person by any definition of obesity (6'-0", 255 lbs). But looking at your three points:
(1) recently went to the doctor for a foot infection, needed some antibiotics (nothing to do with my weight). Before that I hadn't been to a doctor in 12 years. I'm not driving up my employers insurance rates.
(2) I have been working for 20+ years and have taken 1 sick day that I was actually sick. I have taken sick days when my kids are sick, but I don't miss work (I also don't get sick often)
(3) I'm very disciplined in tending to my work, just not as good about tending to how much I eat. Some could argue they work so hard and so many hours that they don't have time to pack a healthy lunch and eat fast food because it's quick.



Having children is a lifestyle choice, being married is a lifestyle choice. It could be argued that religion and sexual orientation are lifestyle choices. You can't discriminate based on any of those "lifestyle choices." It's illegal.

I agree with you on the slovenly people.


100% agree with this.

You realize that makes you an exception though, right?

You also might not fall into the obese category at your size,depending on muscle mass. Though I would guess you're somewhere on the border.

 

[Elios]

Agreed there are conditions like this, 90% of people claim thyroid issues when they're just lazy shits. Many people have thyroid issues DUE to their obesity which make it a more serious issue that is harder to overcome.

Diabetes does not make you fat.

Those saying well some are predisposed to be harder to lose weight, you are full of shit. If you do not eat excessive calories and you burn off the ones you do eat, it is impossible to gain. People are not perpetual energy devices.

some meds can fuck with your body too
i was extremely active in high school and still gained a FUCK TON of weight because of the anti-depressants
i used to bike 10 miles a day for years still put on weight even when eating right
so im not sure

mind you im big to start with even if i lost the gut id still be over 200

 

[Fan_Atic]

So you dispute that heart disease is the leading cause of death?

What the fuck do you think causes heart disease? Surely it's not going to the gym and eating healthy foods.

I'm not attacking fat people, but fuck you if you think being over weight doesn't put an unnecessary burden on others.

Fat people cause MY health care to be more expensive being a healthy and exercising individual that is not right.

The guy sitting next me has a pot belly eats extremely healthy and rides his bike 20 miles to work everyday. If I looked at him I'd call him fat but I can tell that guy is probably a hell of a lot healthier than you or me.

How many young people of "appropriate weight" sucked down sugar filled energy drinks alcohol cigarettes and sh*t food but look healthy. How many young women are bulimic but look fine? Is any of that healthy? A person can look fat by societal standards and still be a lot healthier than someone you base is healthly just cause they weigh what you think they should weigh.

 

[Katalysis]

Being overweight means higher risk for a slew of health problems, PERIOD. It is not the same as having children, no one expects you to throw your children away.

It's not unreasonable to expect you to not be a lazy glutton to work at certain places. Military has physical fitness standards (although some branches have shitty standards), fire fighters have to have certain physical fitness standards, and so do police officers. FBI/CIA etc all have fitness standards.

I see no reason why private companies... PRIVATE FUCKING COMPANIES, should have restrictions on having standards on employee health.


Please provide me the reasoning why fat people should have immunity from being discriminated against.. other than "LOLOLOOLOL FREEDOM FRIES" or "I have the right to do whatever I want with my money"...

Because if you pull the latter, companies have the same right. Companies have ZERO obligation to hire someone.

Oh boy, where to begin.

Well, let's see--I said specifically that I did not think they should have any special immunity. It's in that box you quoted, which means I actually agreed with your basic point. The only difference was I didn't come off like a psycopath when I wrote it. However, I'll refute your post anyway since you are all up in arms about it for some reason.

1) Overweight people have a higher risk of health problems -- so do old people, women, certain racial groups, people from certain areas of the country, etc. Being overweight does lead to more health problems, but so do a lot of other things that are protected, which makes that argument pretty specious.

2) "no one expects you to throw your children away." -- Google might. Any company might. Fewer kids = more time in the office, more time for work, no dependents on the insurance plan, (lord help us if those kids get fat!) and any number of other reasons why a company would prefer, say, a single, childless man than a pregnant woman with 10 kids.

3) Military/fire department/police/whatever -- those require physical fitness as part of the job description. If Google has a position that requires you to go benchpress the Google Maps car, then the fat people (and skinny marathon running "healty" weaklings) can properly be excluded. You are confusing discriminating someone for not filling the job requirements with being fat.

4) "LOLOLOL Freedom Fries" -- I have no idea what you are trying to get at here other than hyperbole.

5) "Companies have ZERO obligation to hire someone." -- You are confusing a coporation's ability to hire no one with its ability to hire someone less qualified instead of someone in a protected class, which may result in legal liability against the corporation. You can't say "lol I have zero obligation to hire you, well education gay man who would be perfect for this job if you were not gay, so we'll hire this other moron instead."

 

[arigo]

I live with fat people that say all the same things about how they watch their diet and exercise, but they're deluded. When it comes down to it they eat whatever they want to, and they exercise half as much as they think they do despite running their dull mouths.

I'm sick of a country that has sympathy for gluttons. Google won't hire me either, and I'm not going to go cry about being discriminated against for not going to college, or not working for over 2 years.

 

[veterator]

If I had to pick a health problem that I would not hire someone if they didn't have it treated, I'd pick sleep apnea.

Lots of people have it, the majority do not get it treated because they are afraid it will hurt them on insurance. You get shitty quality sleep, it gets worse as you age. Causes heart conditions due to you spend all night spiking your blood pressure when the sleep apnea kicks in and then dropping back and repeating. Eventually all this starts to stress you out, they become absolute assholes in a lot of cases. Why would I want to work with a guy who is a bitter asshole all day long?

Second would be anything to do with bowel issues. I really don't want people farting all day long because they have a note from their doctor saying they have IBS or some other condition allowing to rip em off all day long. And because of said conditions, those fumes tend to be toxic. I would absolutely not want those people working where I might end up in a car or airplane next to them. Much rather have a fat guy whose sorry he's a little too big for his seat versus a guy whose melting your nose hairs and just waiting for you to tell him to quit that shit so he can cause a fuss.

Plus the majority of "jobs" are just getting people to work. If fat people don't know how to moderate themselves, then if you get a guy who likes his job..he's probably more likely to spend more hours (free hours if you got him on salary) doing the job because he can't moderate himself.

Plus you can get into the whole debate about people with kids versus no kids and how managers tend to overlook people who need to leave at 5 everyday for their kids versus people who want to leave at 5 everyday because they work to live instead of live to work.

 

[Weenis]

I live with fat people that say all the same things about how they watch their diet and exercise, but they're deluded. When it comes down to it they eat whatever they want to, and they exercise half as much as they think they do despite running their dull mouths.

Exactly, you wouldn't believe the shock of how many people I've put in place when they say they eat right or exercise.

I've flat out put a calorie number to some of the "exercises" some people think they do and watched their draw drop when I said the soda in your hand is more than your exercise so you just nullified it by the FIRST can you slogged down today, can 2 -3-4 or that one 40 ounce mega soda that everyplace sells kind of blows their whole "diet" out of the water.

 

[Dreaz]

These comments are slightly better than 4chan while modestly worse than reddit. Congratz on lowering the bar [H] members.

 

[NKDietrich]

I thought it was well known that if you're fat you have almost no chance of finding decent employment unless you completely outqualify everyone else applying.

 

[Weenis]

The guy sitting next me has a pot belly eats extremely healthy and rides his bike 20 miles to work everyday. If I looked at him I'd call him fat but I can tell that guy is probably a hell of a lot healthier than you or me.

How many young people of "appropriate weight" sucked down sugar filled energy drinks alcohol cigarettes and sh*t food but look healthy. How many young women are bulimic but look fine? Is any of that healthy? A person can look fat by societal standards and still be a lot healthier than someone you base is healthly just cause they weigh what you think they should weigh.

If he ate "extremely healthy" he wouldn't have a "pot belly", especially if he rides a bike 40 miles daily.

To put that into perspective though, assuming its a relatively difficult challenge 20 miles on a bike is about equivalent to 5 running.. so you're in ballpark of 550-600 calories for a 180lb person..

Insurance companies can raise rates if you smoke.....


I'm not talking about people who are 15-30lbs overweight.. I can understand that as that is what I would call moderately overweight. I'm talking about obese people. People who weigh 50-100+ pounds more than they should.


From the CDC's website:

Heart Disease is the Number One Cause of Death
About every 25 seconds, an American will have a coronary event.

 

[mnewxcv]

sometimes I wonder if this would be an issue if per say they were hiring bouncers and someone 6'2 110lbs comes in and applies and they choose someone who is 6'2 215lbs instead? Would that be a problem?

apples and oranges....



would help these people lose weight.

 

[Mackowitz]

You realize that makes you an exception though, right?

You also might not fall into the obese category at your size,depending on muscle mass. Though I would guess you're somewhere on the border.

I am in that area where my BMI of 35 doesn't tell the whole story. I lift weights at least 5 days a week - benchpress over 300 lbs and squat or deadlift over 400 lbs. I also run about 3 or 4 marathons a year. I definitely could lose 30-40 lbs, but I am healthy.

The guy sitting next me has a pot belly eats extremely healthy and rides his bike 20 miles to work everyday. If I looked at him I'd call him fat but I can tell that guy is probably a hell of a lot healthier than you or me.

How many young people of "appropriate weight" sucked down sugar filled energy drinks alcohol cigarettes and sh*t food but look healthy. How many young women are bulimic but look fine? Is any of that healthy? A person can look fat by societal standards and still be a lot healthier than someone you base is healthly just cause they weigh what you think they should weigh.

Great points.

 

[Mungojerrie]

Fortunately, I'm skinny. Hurray running!

 

[wizdum]

The lack of self control to maintain a healthy weight should send up red flags during the hiring process.

You people act as if its as simple as just not stuffing your face with food. It doesn't work that way, everyone's body is different. My friend eats a McDonalds nearly every day, doesn't work out, drinks at least 10 cans of soda a day, plus a couple of energy drinks, and works in an office. He's so skinny that he is often mistaken for a 15 year old.

I work for a construction company, busting my ass every day, eat healthy food for breakfast and lunch, only 1 or two diet sodas per day, avoid energy and sports drinks, and I try to go on a hike every two weeks. I weigh 240lbs.

Which person is the one with lack of self control?

 

[dr.kevin]

i can tolerate chubby people, but I don't like overly fat people. Luckily, I never encounter morbidly obese people.

recently, I went to a place where the fat secretary would sit in front of the computer, and nibble on snacks NONSTOP. holy shit. kill the habit. put the bag down! Have some self control and discipline.
Yeah, that tastes good, but it's making you fat. You were only supposed to eat a handful, but now you ate the whole bag. Fuck, put it down!

most fat people are in denial. They would be reluctant to keep a food/exercise diary because they're afraid of the truth.

 

[Xrave]

Maybe she should consider getting skinny to get a competitive advantage against all the fat people.

 

[Nokia]

Maybe she should consider getting skinny to get a competitive advantage against all the fat people.

would have to agree, plus I can only imagine that it would make googles insurance rates soar. Next time of getting that coke, she should opt for the salad and water.

 

[Term-X]

Forget the insurance rate hike, think about all the broken Segways and bicycles that they'd need to fix. Ok, so maybe I'm exaggerating - just the Segways then.

 

[sfsuphysics]

sometimes I wonder if this would be an issue if per say they were hiring bouncers and someone 6'2 110lbs comes in and applies and they choose someone who is 6'2 215lbs instead? Would that be a problem?

They can always skirt around legal issues the Las Vegas way by giving the job title of waitresses as models, in which they do need to keep a certain appearance. Ditto for bouncers I guess.


As to this story. how many Americans are classified as overweight or obese? Something like 50-60% or so? The fact that 7 out of 20 got escorted out, isn't discrimination of fat people but simply statistical probability!

 

[Ocellaris]

So you dispute that heart disease is the leading cause of death?

What the fuck do you think causes heart disease? Surely it's not going to the gym and eating healthy foods.

I'm not attacking fat people, but fuck you if you think being over weight doesn't put an unnecessary burden on others.

Fat people cause MY health care to be more expensive being a healthy and exercising individual that is not right.

Healthy people getting old and living for 95 years cost more in total than fat smoking alcoholics dieing in their 50s. The highest financial burden on the healthcare system is the eldery, not unhealthy young people. If you really want to save a buck, go hating on very old people pounding thousands of dollars in pills each month along with getting very expensive procedures and weekly doctor visits as they hold onto life.

 

[collegeboy69us]

Screw her

it's already been said over and over here, but if you run a business you are in the market to make money. And hiring a land manatee is going to cost you more in health care, more in missed time, and more in productivity.

It's PROVEN that fat people have health problems, be it heart/respiratory/etc. Topping it all off, if I hire you to move boxes, or deliver reports... if you weigh 300lbs wtf good are you to me?

This is the typical cry from all lazy people... if you don't get your way it simply MUST be because of my color/size/shape/look/gender. We as a country need to send a big fat (pun intended) fuck you to the obese. Why should you get the job over another qualified healthy person?

100 dollars says that when she got rejected for the job, she went home and inhaled an entire cake to feel better, instead of ... you know... going for a walk, doing some weights, or any form of physical activity.

 

[TwistedAegis]

Healthy people getting old and living for 95 years cost more in total than fat smoking alcoholics dieing in their 50s. The highest financial burden on the healthcare system is the eldery, not unhealthy young people. If you really want to save a buck, go hating on very old people pounding thousands of dollars in pills each month along with getting very expensive procedures and weekly doctor visits as they hold onto life.

The vast majority of healthcare spending occurs during the last 6 months of life. If only we as Americans weren't so scared of death, we could deal with it in a sane way, instead of spending $100,000 to give an 85 year old with cancer a hip replacement. If he can pay that out of his own pocket, good for him, otherwise it shouldn't be covered by public health insurance. Of course the high percentage of Christians and the fear of death seems to be a bit odd, IMO.

 

[NKDietrich]

Anyone else amused by the fact that apparently everyone here on a nerdly computer hardware forum is a chiseled god among men?

 

[NativeAlien]

Just wait, once Obamacare morphs into government owned healthcare, laws will appear forcing fitness.

You say this like it's a bad thing.

 

[sfsuphysics]

Healthy people getting old and living for 95 years cost more in total than fat smoking alcoholics dieing in their 50s. The highest financial burden on the healthcare system is the eldery, not unhealthy young people. If you really want to save a buck, go hating on very old people pounding thousands of dollars in pills each month along with getting very expensive procedures and weekly doctor visits as they hold onto life.

True, but fat smokers aren't dying in their 50s, with the wonders of modern pharmacy they're staying alive well into retirement age. Cholesterol problems? Not a problem anymore! We got a pill for you, just don't eat grapefruit "No problem I didn't each much fruit anyways!", high blood pressure? Shit pick a pill, ANY pill.

THEN the fat ones become much more costly than the healthy ones, because that's when their body does catch up to them. And the medical bills add up (for the pension plan, or medicare or whatever who's paying the bills). Healthy people living long lives very often don't need to go to the doctors much at all because they tend to continue with their healthy life styles and don't have problems

 

[CoolGuy96]

They put all the fat people in the same elevator? Sounds like a safety hazard.

LOL

 

[TwistedAegis]

Anyone else amused by the fact that apparently everyone here on a nerdly computer hardware forum is a chiseled god among men?

QFT. Computer god, fitness guru, legal expert and a firebrand in the sack. Just your average [H] forum goer.

 

[kcmastrpc]

This is not entirely true. A lot of people are predispositioned to having weight problems.

this is bullshit. my entire family is overweight, and so was i at one point. through self-control, excercise and being conscience about my diet i've gone from 290lbs to 160 and maintained it for over 10 years now.

i've even participated in several triathlons, cycling events, and marathons. i don't really care what anybody says - and most reputable doctors will agree, there is no such thing as a 'weight problem', it's a lifestyle problem - mostly overeating and laziness.