The only console game I've ever played in earnest...

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Wylee

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SSBM. Through and through.

Anyone else ever play SSBM in earnest, or if not, anyone else only ever get in to 1-2 console games without becoming a console-centric gamer?
 
I've never gotten the fascination with Smash Bros, always seemed like a complete mess when I've seen it being played/played it. In my experience it's very easy to button mash and still do as much damage as someone who knows what they are doing.

Street Fighter 4/SSF4 for me, I can see Mortal Kombat replacing it tho.
 
Tigerblade said:
I've never gotten the fascination with Smash Bros, always seemed like a complete mess when I've seen it being played/played it. In my experience it's very easy to button mash and still do as much damage as someone who knows what they are doing.

Street Fighter 4/SSF4 for me, I can see Mortal Kombat replacing it tho.
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You can button mash all day long against another button masher but go up against someone that know what their doing and you will get destroyed. Me and my friends used to play a lot and me and my one friend were about equal but were both much better than our other friends. I'm not even that great at the game myself but I have won 3vs1 matches against people that weren't as good.

I love Smash Bros but I've never owned the last 2 of them since besides it and a few other games I've never wanted a gamecube or Wii. Plus its not fun fighting the computer and my friend that I play the game with has always had them.
 
Back in the Gamecube day's I bought a Gamecube for only 3 games. Smash Brothers Melee, F-Zero GX and Paper Mario Thousand Year Door. Played all three then never bought another gamecube game.

I'm still not console centric but I have a lot of Wii games now.
 
I played the shit out of a ton of console games in my life, and same with PCs. But sadly, of late, I've only been playing the living crap out of the NHL games.
 
I'm a fan of the original version, the game cube ones have too many small items and twitch movements. The first one was more about timing and melee was more about reflexes.
 
I'd say about half or less of my friends that I know game frequently only finish maybe half or less of any game they play. I don't think this is uncommon at all , I think it has to do with balancing things like family life , social life and work. People just don't have the free time they use to anymore to devote to a decent game.

I'm sort of a completionist so I don't buy games unless I know I'll be able to devote the proper amount of time to finish the main story at least. However I don't go achievement hounding like some people I know , achievements really mean nothing in 99 percent of games.
 
I bought gamecube just for this game. One of the most fun fighting games I have played. Duels and 3-4 player FFA's were so good.

You can disable items which we usually did in duels and sometimes in FFA.
 
Yeah, I have done that before and I liked it. But I don't really feel the need to buy one for myself just to play Brawl.
 
Tigerblade said:
I've never gotten the fascination with Smash Bros, always seemed like a complete mess when I've seen it being played/played it. In my experience it's very easy to button mash and still do as much damage as someone who knows what they are doing.

Street Fighter 4/SSF4 for me, I can see Mortal Kombat replacing it tho.
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Actually if you played against someone good at SSBM there was almost no chance at beating them or even doing any kind of damage. It actually has a pretty high skill curve surprisingly.
 
Smash is a party game and should never be mentioned in the same sentence as even a joke fighter, let alone a legit one.

Smash is an even bigger shit stain on consoles than halo or cod could ever try to be.
 
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Actually if you played against someone good at SSBM there was almost no chance at beating them or even doing any kind of damage. It actually has a pretty high skill curve surprisingly.
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Definitely a very high tech fighter if you get in the advanced levels. Brawl is flawed but their are some great mods out for it. Brawl Minus is my favorite and you can load it without hacking your Wii as well just need an SD card.
 
sd11 said:
Smash is a party game and should never be mentioned in the same sentence as even a joke fighter, let alone a legit one.

Smash is an even bigger shit stain on consoles than halo or cod could ever try to be.
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Elitist much? Turn off weapons and try to learn the game and you will find that its a very good fighter. Yeah it has its flaws but most fighters do.
 
sd11 said:
Smash is a party game and should never be mentioned in the same sentence as even a joke fighter, let alone a legit one.

Smash is an even bigger shit stain on consoles than halo or cod could ever try to be.
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Millions would happily disagree with you .. strongly. Its an excellent and deep fighting game , it only requires someone with basic common sense to reach that conclusion.

"Oh its a Nintendo fighter so it must not be tactical at all and has zero depth" :rolleyes:
 
Hey TigerBlade! Hit me up on xbox live if you want to game in Super Street FIghter IV. Thats my bread and butter. Yeah dude, I am always looking for a good challenge.

Back on point. Thats what SSBM means. I havent really liked that game much, as my friends owned me on it very fast. I didnt think of it as a practical fighter. But anyhow? I was medicore at best!
 
KrAzYaZnFLiP808 said:
Hey TigerBlade! Hit me up on xbox live if you want to game in Super Street FIghter IV. Thats my bread and butter. Yeah dude, I am always looking for a good challenge.
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I'd like to get in on this too. SSF4 is really all i play now. Hit me up too!
 
Smash Brothers is BY FAR the best fighting game ever. I spent all four years of my college experiance playing SSB and SSBM probably about 80% of the time and other 20% dedicated to either StarCraft or some Final Fantasy game or a random other game - yeah I didn't do much school work.

Although I was super hyped for Brawl, and I love the additional characters, they really dropped the ball with it, online is unplayable and RANDOM TRIPPING??!! Thanks Nintendo for ruining Smash!

The original Smash was all about Ness and his epic throws + down kicks.
Melee fixed a lot of these "easy out" making the down kick really hard to do. Did a great job at balancing the characters save for the epic feats of the super fast char Shiek is still feared.
Brawl introduced tripping and over the top nurfing of the few monster abilities in the game Jigglipuff's sleep and Luigi's thunder punch in particular. Making them absolutely worthless. Which is sad because Jiggly was my go to in order to piss people off, but the consequences were great so it was a fair trade off. It was not broken.

If you want competitive play turn off items and play stock. you will see the how this game treats button mashers - All my friends refuse to play with me anymore because of the crazy juggling and ass handing I was capable of delivering. I haven't played it in while now though, I wish they would just fix brawl remove the tripping and fix online and revitalize the game. All my friends aren't 5 ft away from me anymore it's hard to get a 4v4 game on with a wife and kid now.

It's hard to play the original after Melee though the pace is soooo slow in comparison to the absolute frantic pace of Melee.

and one of my favorite things to do - play as game and watch run around avoiding everyone and just taunt the whole time. you make yourself a target but man is it fun to piss people off. :D

played so much we had nicknames for all the different costumes for all the characters.

sorry I was overcome with nostalgia.
 
KrAzYaZnFLiP808 said:
Hey TigerBlade! Hit me up on xbox live if you want to game in Super Street FIghter IV. Thats my bread and butter. Yeah dude, I am always looking for a good challenge.

Back on point. Thats what SSBM means. I havent really liked that game much, as my friends owned me on it very fast. I didnt think of it as a practical fighter. But anyhow? I was medicore at best!
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I've got it on the PS3 mate, prefer the pad for fighters......not that I can actually play it online at the mo tho lol

RE SSB I may have to get it again on Wii and put a bit more time into it then.
 
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sd11 said:
Smash is a party game and should never be mentioned in the same sentence as even a joke fighter, let alone a legit one.

Smash is an even bigger shit stain on consoles than halo or cod could ever try to be.
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Sounds like an ignorant/angry PC Gamer. SSBM had a HUGE competitive, almost cult following and there's an incredible amount of skill involved, I'd put it on the same technical level as Street Fighter.

I don't really give a shit what you say about CoD, but Halo also has a great competitive landscape. If you were to take any decent MLG player with a controller and pit them against you with a m/kb I'd give the edge to the controller player.

I love kb/m but Halo is designed to work well, as an FPS, with a controller and it does just that.
 
JoNo216 said:
Smash Brothers is BY FAR the best fighting game ever. I spent all four years of my college experiance playing SSB and SSBM probably about 80% of the time and other 20% dedicated to either StarCraft or some Final Fantasy game or a random other game - yeah I didn't do much school work.

Although I was super hyped for Brawl, and I love the additional characters, they really dropped the ball with it, online is unplayable and RANDOM TRIPPING??!! Thanks Nintendo for ruining Smash!

The original Smash was all about Ness and his epic throws + down kicks.
Melee fixed a lot of these "easy out" making the down kick really hard to do. Did a great job at balancing the characters save for the epic feats of the super fast char Shiek is still feared.
Brawl introduced tripping and over the top nurfing of the few monster abilities in the game Jigglipuff's sleep and Luigi's thunder punch in particular. Making them absolutely worthless. Which is sad because Jiggly was my go to in order to piss people off, but the consequences were great so it was a fair trade off. It was not broken.

If you want competitive play turn off items and play stock. you will see the how this game treats button mashers - All my friends refuse to play with me anymore because of the crazy juggling and ass handing I was capable of delivering. I haven't played it in while now though, I wish they would just fix brawl remove the tripping and fix online and revitalize the game. All my friends aren't 5 ft away from me anymore it's hard to get a 4v4 game on with a wife and kid now.

It's hard to play the original after Melee though the pace is soooo slow in comparison to the absolute frantic pace of Melee.

and one of my favorite things to do - play as game and watch run around avoiding everyone and just taunt the whole time. you make yourself a target but man is it fun to piss people off. :D

played so much we had nicknames for all the different costumes for all the characters.

sorry I was overcome with nostalgia.
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When I play SSB it is always on Brawl now because its newer but I really do wish they had just updated Melee with more characters. Tripping is the absolute worst addition ever and makes no sense. I've tried talking my friend into using the modified Brawl that removes that and makes the game more like Melee but he doesn't want to since then he would be used to that instead of the mainstream game.

Its funny how much they nerfed Sheik in Brawl. She was so great in Melee along with Fox, Falco, Jigglypuff, and Marth (though I never was to good with him). But in Brawl Sheik is lower mid tier because they took all of her killing power and I think they put more cool down time between her moves so shes left opened more. I think Fox got dropped a good bit to but I think Marth and Falco are still top 5 or so (not sure). It was funny how in Melee Sheiks down+B (turns her into Zelda who was near bottom tier) was her worst move (I've seen it listed as "Instantly lose match move") but in Brawl they made Sheik and Zelda about equal. Nerfing Sheik was fine but they went to far.
And they completely ruined Jiggly, I think shes bottom tier now. I used to love floated around dodging and then stringing a bunch of hits together. I used to annoy my friend so bad by using the highest pitched voice I could and going "Jiiiiiiiigggggggggggglllllllllllllyyyyyyy *hits him* PUFFFF!!!". You still can but I used to do that against his best but can't anymore because shes just not good enough to.
 
I never play regular smash anymore. However it is easy to run mods with a program like smash stack, I use it to load Brawl Minus and it's a blast to play. Honestly I love Melee but prefer Brawl Minus to Melee.
 
TheBlueChanell said:
Sounds like an ignorant/angry PC Gamer. SSBM had a HUGE competitive, almost cult following and there's an incredible amount of skill involved, I'd put it on the same technical level as Street Fighter.

I don't really give a shit what you say about CoD, but Halo also has a great competitive landscape. If you were to take any decent MLG player with a controller and pit them against you with a m/kb I'd give the edge to the controller player.

I love kb/m but Halo is designed to work well, as an FPS, with a controller and it does just that.
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Yeah, I think he was a little harsh as well. Smash is pretty epic really. It may not get the same amount of tourney love as SSF4/MvC /ect. but whatever it's still fucking awesome.
 
Nice to see I'm not the only one.

As to the Halo talk: halo's alright but feels too floaty--like brawl does. Meh.

I personally don't get as much satisfaction from playing shooters on console, because it feels like everyone's playing with the mutual disadvantage of being limited to thumbs.

Cheers though. I'm down to play anyone at ssbm that comes through my area--especially people better than my self. I don't play much anymore, but the odd game is quite nice, and I can still play pretty well once I'm warm.

SSBM: where else can you shuffle foxes?
 
When I played ssbm, I would only allow pokeballs, on the pokemon arena, and play against 3 cpu characters on max difficulty. Most fun I've ever had in any game. It is not the same with brawl, the game doesn't allow as many pokeballs on the playing field at once.
 
I've been nearly PC exclusive for years now. The last console games I was dedicated to playing were GTA San Andreas and Tony Hawk 4. I got a 360 pretty much for GTA4 and Tekken6 but those games were a disappointment and stopped playing them after a few weeks. My 360 now serves as only a media streaming box.
 
eon said:
I've been nearly PC exclusive for years now. The last console games I was dedicated to playing were GTA San Andreas and Tony Hawk 4. I got a 360 pretty much for GTA4 and Tekken6 but those games were a disappointment and stopped playing them after a few weeks. My 360 now serves as only a media streaming box.
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PC is inferior when it comes to high level competition in fighting games (SF, Smash, Tekken), because of consoles being able to support multiple simultaneous users (meaning no issues of latency), but I agree that PC superior in just about everything else, especially when different modes of input (such as joysticks etc) are utilized. It's also nice in the case of consoles having an extremely low initial required investment, but the other side of that is an utter lack of versatility.

I, for example, spent a total of 80$ on my smash bros rig which included a 40" crt, a gamecube, the game, and two high quality controllers. That's a lot easier on the wallet, and takes up less space, considering that to play a fighting game via computers without latency being an issue, it would require two computers hooked up via lan in addition to some good controllers, as keyboard input is not exact enough for the gradient based input integral to most modern fighters, and a pair of low latency monitors.

Insofar as shooters, there's no competition between controllers and kb/mouse.
 
Wylee said:
PC is inferior when it comes to high level competition in fighting games (SF, Smash, Tekken), because of consoles being able to support multiple simultaneous users (meaning no issues of latency), but I agree that PC superior in just about everything else, especially when different modes of input (such as joysticks etc) are utilized. It's also nice in the case of consoles having an extremely low initial required investment, but the other side of that is an utter lack of versatility.

I, for example, spent a total of 80$ on my smash bros rig which included a 40" crt, a gamecube, the game, and two high quality controllers. That's a lot easier on the wallet, and takes up less space, considering that to play a fighting game via computers without latency being an issue, it would require two computers hooked up via lan in addition to some good controllers, as keyboard input is not exact enough for the gradient based input integral to most modern fighters, and a pair of low latency monitors.

Insofar as shooters, there's no competition between controllers and kb/mouse.
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I've only played a few fighters on a PC but they supported same machine multi-player.
 
dario03 said:
I've only played a few fighters on a PC but they supported same machine multi-player.
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Do you happen to remember what they were? I'm in the process of upgrading my PC extensively, and I'd love to have a good fighting game to play on it with my friends on it once I get a new monitor.
 
Wylee said:
Do you happen to remember what they were? I'm in the process of upgrading my PC extensively, and I'd love to have a good fighting game to play on it with my friends on it once I get a new monitor.
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Like I said I've only played a few (fighters have always been the weakspot for PC games)

But IIRC these had local multiplayer and I would think most fighters would

Street Fighter 4 (is the best one I've played, SSF4 Arcade edition is coming out June 28th)
Melty Blood (friend of mine really liked this, I didn't get into it to much but it was pretty good)
BlazBlue (I thought this was ok but there is a newer version on consoles, possibly could come out for PC since I think its actually been hacked onto it)
Guilty Gear XX Reload (I've never actually played the PC version of this and again theres newer versions on consoles but I thought it was pretty good, its made by the same people as BlazBlue which is newer)
Mugen (You might of heard of this game, its been around forever and is basically just a game engine that people make characters for. Good to let you fight with tons of characters from all kinds of media especially anime and other games. However I'm not sure at how balanced it would be and requires more setup).
 
Thanks. That's exactly the kind of list I was looking for.

SF4: I haven't played it much, but I did play some earlier SSF and it was really really good. about as balanced as a chronic masturbator's physique, but still great. I had no idea that there was a PC version.
Melty Blood: Never heard of it. Checking it out.
BlazBlue: damn! Again, no idea it was PC-portable. I've watched gameplay and it looks really good. My kind of game for sure.
Guilty Gear: I'll definitely check it out if it's made by the BlazBlue dev team.
Mugen: Lol. yeah, I've seen game play. It doesn't look like my shtick.
 
dario03 said:
When I play SSB it is always on Brawl now because its newer but I really do wish they had just updated Melee with more characters. Tripping is the absolute worst addition ever and makes no sense. I've tried talking my friend into using the modified Brawl that removes that and makes the game more like Melee but he doesn't want to since then he would be used to that instead of the mainstream game.

Its funny how much they nerfed Sheik in Brawl. She was so great in Melee along with Fox, Falco, Jigglypuff, and Marth (though I never was to good with him). But in Brawl Sheik is lower mid tier because they took all of her killing power and I think they put more cool down time between her moves so shes left opened more. I think Fox got dropped a good bit to but I think Marth and Falco are still top 5 or so (not sure). It was funny how in Melee Sheiks down+B (turns her into Zelda who was near bottom tier) was her worst move (I've seen it listed as "Instantly lose match move") but in Brawl they made Sheik and Zelda about equal. Nerfing Sheik was fine but they went to far.
And they completely ruined Jiggly, I think shes bottom tier now. I used to love floated around dodging and then stringing a bunch of hits together. I used to annoy my friend so bad by using the highest pitched voice I could and going "Jiiiiiiiigggggggggggglllllllllllllyyyyyyy *hits him* PUFFFF!!!". You still can but I used to do that against his best but can't anymore because shes just not good enough to.
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How do you play without tripping? is it some emulation hack?
 
JoNo216 said:
How do you play without tripping? is it some emulation hack?
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I haven't tried any of them but I believe theres a couple different modded versions that you can run with a sd card trick. Brawl+ and Brawl- are the ones I've heard of. They both change a lot of things though, and I don't know if theres one that just removes tripping.
 
dario03 said:
I haven't tried any of them but I believe theres a couple different modded versions that you can run with a sd card trick. Brawl+ and Brawl- are the ones I've heard of. They both change a lot of things though, and I don't know if theres one that just removes tripping.
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You have to mod the OS of your wii, iirc, and then install a special module of code to your brawl startup files or maybe even store a version of the game locally. I played it for a while at a buddy's house one time. He was trying to convince me that it was worth switching over, but there seemed (to me at least) to be almost no point in switching over. Nothing to be gained except for a different character set, or so it seemed, and that's not really a gain given the metaknight fiasco.

Regardless though, Melee feels worlds better to me in general. The combos are delicious. The physics in melee feel the best out of the three games, imo, and things like soft shielding, wavedashing/landing, the intricate DI, the read-centric chaingrabbing, the huge risk/reward, and tons of other things just make it a much more satisfying game than Brawl or SSB64, with my personal order being SSBM>SSB64>almost anything>SSBB. SSBB feels like a party game. Melee feels like a martial art.
 
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