NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Final Specs & Pricing Revealed

I havent seen any mention of overclocking. If the 4x0 are as hot as they say, what does that do for overclocking? Match ATI's 5k series vs the GTX 4X0 series overclocking potential and it seems like the differences aren't as big as nVidia would want them to be.

Could it be (assuming average potentail overclock)
480(no overclock) > 5870(no overclock)
but
5870(overclock) > 480(overclock)??
 
Q-BZ said:
When is the 5890 expected to surface more or less?

How do ATI cards like the 5870 or even 5970 run heat/power/energy wise vs. what we're talking about here with the GTX 480 if all of this holds? Are they all space heaters pretty much?
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TDP
5850 - 151w
5870 - 181w
470 - 225w
5970 - 294w
480 - 295w

In terms of power and heat yo ucan see for yourself

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3679&p=16

Best bang for your buck seems to be 2 5850s if the leaks in this thread hold true.

Your looking at 302w TDP spread over 2 boards and coolers nad 5970 performance at $600 (or less if you can find a sale.)

The 480 will be 295w with performance closer to the 5870 at $500 bucks.

Two 5870s or 480s would be the best performance. But your looking at 600w TDP For two 480s and 362w TDP for the 5870s.

Personaly for me I can't justify the costs for that on my monthly bill. I really want a 5850 2gig for $300. I'd be happy (less would be great too)

It will use about 20watts more power than my 4850 but offer about double the performance.
 
With the rumored poor availability for the first few months, won't these prices be best-case-scenario only?
 
well regardless those are still just assumed prices. I'm sure once it's side by side with with the 5 series we'll see some competitive price drops and even some nice rebates.
 
I'm excited for the fermi release. If anything I hope it sparks a price war, even a small one, so I can pick up a 2nd 5870 for cheap(er).
 
Am I the only one that thinks this is a bastardized chip that was entirely designed around the 28nm node and had to be spun out early (with a LOT of attendant problems) at 40nm? This chip, maybe not identically, will likely be seen at the next node and I expect it to be a LOT better from a power, speed, and yield perspective. Adopters will be subsidizing what I feel the chip should have been in the first place.

Seems like there was a failed architecture in between the fermi and the GT200 chipset that was designed to run at the 40nm node.
 
Pricing seems about right where I was expecting them, of course we have to add in the price gouging though. People will pay $550 for the GTX 480, so I am expecting them to be at that price and being sold out.

Glad I grabbed my XFX HD5870 XXX for $368 after cashback, since there's zero mention of fermi having any sort of HD audio playback which is mandatory for me :)
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
I havent seen any mention of overclocking. If the 4x0 are as hot as they say, what does that do for overclocking? Match ATI's 5k series vs the GTX 4X0 series overclocking potential and it seems like the differences aren't as big as nVidia would want them to be.

Could it be (assuming average potentail overclock)
480(no overclock) > 5870(no overclock)
but
5870(overclock) > 480(overclock)??
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That is precisely my concern. I would never buy a card without paying close attention to its overclocking average. The 5870s are already well known to overclock well, increasing my core voltage I could get up to 1070mhz on the core when it was in a single loop with my i7 920.
Now the 480s are rumored to need all the power they can get just to be stable at advertised speeds, just look at those power numbers for a single gpu. Who knows if this thing will even get an extra 50mhz, and upping the juice and heat to go further is concerning. Also what will this do to the life expectancy of this card? Will it be like an Xbox360 and see a huge number of dead cards?
Also the XFX 5870 can be found often for ~350 at TigerDirect with cashback. The 480 is going to have to overclock well to justify its ~$100 premium if you factor in CB for it also, because an average overclock on a 5870 should bring it very close to even performance with a 480 if the numbers we've seen are accurate.
Maybe it will dominate in DX11 with tessellation, but that is pretty limited at this time and ATI will probably have something better in the not to distant future for an equal or lesser price and won't consume ridiculous amounts of power.
 
Q-BZ said:
When is the 5890 expected to surface more or less?

How do ATI cards like the 5870 or even 5970 run heat/power/energy wise vs. what we're talking about here with the GTX 480 if all of this holds? Are they all space heaters pretty much?
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Best space heater ever was the Voodoo3. You could cook breakfast and play UT in Glide at the same time. Good times... anyways.

Even my 5970 never sees over 60C with the fan set at 50% while playing a game. I can drive it up into the low 60s with furmark, but I don't play furmark as often as I used to (yes that's a joke). I run it stock due to my "meager" 1920x1080 rez, but even at 850x1200 I only ever saw 66C using furmark. When gaming the exhaust air from the card is just noticably warmer then ambient.

That's in an Antec 900 with no side fan installed and all the others at medium. A bonus is it doesn't even seem to tax my 3+ year old OCZ GameXstream 700w, just needed a molex to 8pin adapter.

My GTX285 OCFU runs much warmer in the same rig, unless I crank the fan to annoying levels. I'd guess it has to do with it having to pump all that heat through a single die. I know it's already OC'd, but I think the point is still valid. From the looks of it even this will be considered cool running in comparison.

This smells of the GTX2XX launch all over again (too hot, too hungry, too much), just with slightly less crazy prices at launch. Hopefully I'm wrong, I wanna see 5970 prices go down now that Xfire and Eyefinity are supposed to play nice. Won't start monitor/PSU shopping till I see the benchies.
 
shaolin95 said:
Scary that you have to ask since most of you act like you were experts in all Nvidia....
Ever heard of Cuda, Physx and that little thing 3d Vision (the world is going 3d finally in case you havent noticed).
And yes now you can insert the usual silly comments on how those are useless, gimmicks, etc....as anything your card does not have MUST be a gimmick right? ;)
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Gimmick?

3D Vision? By the time that has any relevance in games, the GTX 480 will be long gone.

Where is CUDA being used?

PhysX, so far, doesn't seem to do a whole lot (GRAW used it but I never really noticed that much of a difference).

Buying a GTX 480 card for all of these "features" is sort of silly since most of them aren't even really that prevalent in games and won't be (if at all) for a while to come.
 
SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND:
This is a new chip not a re-hash, I didn't see AMD do so great with the 2000 or 3000 series, which was tweaked for the 4000 and 5000 series. Late, power hog or otherwise, revision 2 and 3 will shine, not to mention how it will drive the competition. Just be glad we've got companies continuing to make new GPUs! There's only two real players here... if either falls of their game we (consumer) are screwed. I may not buy one but I'm damn glad it's coming.
 
Is it me or is, should these numbers prove true, this turning out similar to the 2xx series vs 4xxx series? With the obvious differences being that Nv is 6 months later to market instead of Ati showing up a month later like last time.
 
Derfnofred said:
Am I the only one that thinks this is a bastardized chip that was entirely designed around the 28nm node and had to be spun out early (with a LOT of attendant problems) at 40nm? This chip, maybe not identically, will likely be seen at the next node and I expect it to be a LOT better from a power, speed, and yield perspective. Adopters will be subsidizing what I feel the chip should have been in the first place.

Seems like there was a failed architecture in between the fermi and the GT200 chipset that was designed to run at the 40nm node.
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It may be true , but what happens to the cypress on 28nm ? It will become even smaller and alot better in power , speed and yield perspective .
 
295w for a single chip...madness!

I really don't need another space heater

4870x2 was a good damn space heater even when it consumed 270w. I have enough with space heater graphic cards.




295w for a single card...no
 
295W? Ouch, literally. Not very impressed with the price/performance/heat ratios right now. They might want to throw in a good deal on a pocket nuclear power plant for anyone bold enough to try to toss 2 or more of these in a box. *cough* global warming *cough* LOL
 
Someone help me here... isn't Cypress a refined 1900XTX chip like the 8800 series was a refined 6800 chip?

Difference between a new chip and a tweaked chip is, tweaked has a lifespan, I can't see AMD pulling but one new "revision" out and still be competitive.
 
WIth the long delay, the hype, the large increase in transistors, and the large increase in power consumption, I really expected at least 50% performance over a 5870.

I guess my expectations were unreasonable, but this seems like a seriously inefficeitnt GPU to only get 10% more performance than a 5870. Also, what kind of heatsink magic are they working to dissipate that much heat? Seems like a 3-slot desig should have been considered.

I anxiously await the reviews, but have lowered my expectations. Seems like potential for a FX 5xxx generation.

EDIT: I also expected a card more like $600 - $700 so the value may not be much worse than a 5870 (if you ignore your electric bill).
 
piscian18 said:
Ugh, you're getting way too pessimistic.
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How exactly is talking about information we know to be good pessimistic? Am I sorry, but if you want to run "Eyefinity" on Fermi high end, that gives you 600 watts of power needed for the video cards alone. :( Throw in another 200 for system components, and we are at 800 REQUIRED, and we do not suggest you run you system PSU at full load for long periods of time.
 
I think I am just gonna wait for a one of those 2GB 5870's (or is the name gonna be 5890?).

$100 - $150 more to go from 60-66 fps (at most) and yeid more heat + a nice increase in my PG&E bill? Ugh...
 
pasta4u said:
It may be true , but what happens to the cypress on 28nm ? It will become even smaller and alot better in power , speed and yield perspective .
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Some chips scale better than others. Obviously given the general simplicity (i.e. parallelism) of graphics chips, they do scale generally pretty well. For example--how much better is a 55nm GTS250 than a 65nm GTX 9800+ (or whatever it's called). Same card more or less--just a respin at a smaller die size.

That is not to say that AMD will not again beat nVidia to the 28nm node like they did at 40nm, nor to say that they won't leverage such advantage to make a giant killer 6000 series. I was speaking entirely from a chip-makers perspective: comparing a potential 28nm fermi against the present 40nm one.

Frankly, I don't care who makes what card nor who's the fastest. I'm just a huge semiconductor processing/computer architecture nerd who doesn't have time to really play games. If anything, openCL and CUDA are more interesting to me.
 
they're doing an ati. releasing a card for much lower than they intended to because they have to. truly makes picking up 5870's at launch for $380 look like a bargain.
 
toddw said:
SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND:
This is a new chip not a re-hash, I didn't see AMD do so great with the 2000 or 3000 series, which was tweaked for the 4000 and 5000 series. Late, power hog or otherwise, revision 2 and 3 will shine, not to mention how it will drive the competition. Just be glad we've got companies continuing to make new GPUs! There's only two real players here... if either falls of their game we (consumer) are screwed. I may not buy one but I'm damn glad it's coming.
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dude, did you just say "Just be glad we've got companies continuing to make new GPUs!"
i hope you weren't referring to nvidia.

8800 = 9800 = 250

210 = 310

would you like more examples?
 
I'd asked a question on page 4 and a bunch of folks answered me on page 5: Thanks for those answers guys! :)

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1035456236&postcount=157

^^ This was something thrown at me in another thread that really made my jaw drop. I'm running a 750 watt PSU and if I read that post and the answers I got on page 5...what can I get away with here within reason? Seems like more than I thought.

Advice appreciated although I don't want to derail the thread so if that's how it is, feel free to drop me a PM if nothing else. :)
 
WorldExclusive said:
Kyle, I can't see you recommending this card to your readers. $400(not including mark-up)295W TDP for 5-10% increase in performance. There are 5870s OC that can beat that for $100 less, $150 less if you buy from the forums and 188W TDP. This card shouldn't get no higher than Bronze in your review or a flat out fail. People will try to convince themselves all the time that is worth it, but in their heart they know it's not. ATI officially won this battle.
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We don't have a Bronze....only Gold and Silver. I think Bronze is for making advertisers happy and confusing the readers. My 2 cents.

We will use the card in real world gaming tests and put together our 2 cents on overall value....as that is what is always about.
 
I have yet to see a real benchmark showing this 10% number is real.
For all I know it could be slower or faster, I dont know, and unless you have some real inside info I think your all going to be sad no matter what the out come is.
 
Shark974 said:
Of course it isn't bad, you're never going to see a video card priced outrageously vs the competition because nobody would buy it.

Nvidia didn't decide on these prices, the performance did. In fact, one can easily better predict the performance of a card by knowing it's price than any technical specs.

Anyway, given that the ATI cards are priced higher than their initial MSRP already (remember $259 5850?) I'm sure ATI is pretty thrilled with this. At these prices there's no pressure at all on 5800 pricing. If anything, I think 470 may be priced a tad high. It sits halfway between 5850 and 5870, when 5870 is about 20% faster than 5850, while it's claimed 470 is "5-10%" faster. 470 would need to be 10% faster to justify $349.

But, Nvidia probably thinks their cards are worth a slight premium due to Physx and all that jazz. And at least initially with likely pent up demand from Nvidia fanboys, they're probably right.

Edit: 499 for 480 is pretty steep though.

Overall this is pretty much still an "ouch" for Nvidia. The 5890 will probably at least equal the 480 easily by these numbers, for much less than 499.

The clocks screwed Nvidia.
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why would the 5890 be much less then 499, the current 5870 is $399 =p
 
This sure sounds like the release of the 2900XT. Too much power for not enough performance.
 
And this is A3. Imagine how bad the first two revisions must have been.

The driver team at NVIDIA better pull some performance out of their hat. 10% isnt going to cut it. Cant wait for some real H-style benchmarks after so much speculation and leaks.
 
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