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Like many others, I've never found it hard deleting the other library.
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ugh...iTunes: Worst software *EVER*
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Like many others, I've never found it hard deleting the other library.
Not sure if the apple tech was lying to me, but this seems WAY too dubious for words:
I was calling in to diagnose a problem with my iPhone, and I had mentioned that on two separate occasions, my 50GB music collection would go completely nuts. I'm a little OCD when it comes to ripping, tagging, etc, so I know everything was in there perfectly, but one morning I'd try to play a song and it's now 8 seconds long and a 500k file. About 25% of my library corrupted, and when I mentioned it to the tech, he said it's a "VERY rare itunes bug on windows". Seems plausible, except that it hit me twice at that point, and a third time since then.
I was calling in to diagnose a problem with my iPhone, and I had mentioned that on two separate occasions, my 50GB music collection would go completely nuts. I'm a little OCD when it comes to ripping, tagging, etc, so I know everything was in there perfectly, but one morning I'd try to play a song and it's now 8 seconds long and a 500k file. About 25% of my library corrupted, and when I mentioned it to the tech, he said it's a "VERY rare itunes bug on windows". Seems plausible, except that it hit me twice at that point, and a third time since then.
Specifically, CrimandEvil and valve1138, what was "fail" and "clueless" about what I wrote? Might as well go troll some emo kid on facebook if you don't have anything to say about the specific points in my post.
Many of the gripes you have are based on incorrect information.
Funny how you can't name one specific thing that is based on incorrect information. * infinity. And I did ask if I was wrong or if there were any solutions, which you've provided none of other than blanket "clueless and wrong" nonsense. I know for a fact not everything I wrote is wrong though, so please point out exactly what is incorrect.
* infinity. And I did ask if I was wrong or if there were any solutions, which you've provided none of other than blanket "clueless and wrong" nonsense. I know for a fact not everything I wrote is wrong though, so please point out exactly what is incorrect.CrimandEvil
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Funny how you can't name one specific thing that is based on incorrect information.
I don't have that kind of time to waste but I'll just do a real quick one:
There's a folder, in your iTunes music folder, that is specifically for adding new music to iTunes. It's called "Automatically Add to iTunes."
First off, I have no fucking clue why you are putting blue ray rips on your phone which has a tiny size HDD in it. Second of all, you right click on the damn movie (and it has to be MP4 formatted from what I can tell) and then you can edit the info there, just like you can with a music file.
There. That was two things, happy now? The point is, this isn't brain surgery.
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There's a folder, in your iTunes music folder, that is specifically for adding new music to iTunes. It's called "Automatically Add to iTunes."
Hey Crim... is there anything like this for the video section? I've also had issues with the whole "media management" potion of iTunes... coming from using the Zune software.
I store all my audio/video in shares on a WHS box, accessed by both the Zune software and the iTunes software. With the Zune, all I have to do is add additional folders to the settings (for video/audio/etc.) and anytime I drop a new song or video into one of those directories, the Zune software automatically updates within a few minutes.
I'm looking for this same functionality from iTunes for both audio and vdeo. Several people have recommended using MediaMonkey for audio management instead, but that doesn't solve the video issues. In fact, my videos are probably the thing that changes the most as I convert recorded TV to MP4 format to take with me to watch on my iPhone at work.
Currently, I've been using additional programs (like iTunes Folder Watch), but of course that is another software purchase.
Just curious since people tend to pounce on anyone saying the media management on iTunes is subpar around here. I had really hoped my iPhone3GS would be my answer to a "all-in-one" device, but I find myself going back to my old "crap brown" 30 GB Zune mainly for video management....
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Yes the tetherin to iTunes and general usage restrictions have made me hate my iPhone. The hardware is still amazing, and I don't regret having it, but it's like a chronic cramp that drives you mad over time. I definetely will not be sticking with apple in the future, unless ... I don't know I guess I just hate apple as a company. Maybe if they release an oled version and I'm able to sell this one for a ludicrous price.
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Yeah it's definetely not the device I want it to be. The hardware is there, the OS is good, but Apple just makes enough wrong moves that makes me feel like I'm borrowing a device from them. I don't feel like I own this thing. Want tv out? 50 dollar cable. Want to plug into your laptop and transfer some media? Get ready to lose all your music. Need to get an app from your account? Better not authorize more than a couple computers. Break any of the rules and face iJail.
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Some of what's been in said I agree with but some, WTH?? Need an app in your account but not installed? Download it on your phone.
I've have mine setup that I can sync my phone to any of the five PCs authorised to play iTunes music. They all share the same library so I can plug my phone into any of them and get a 100% sync. Seriously. This isn't rocket science.
As for Farscape, I really have no idea. Mine is loaded with music so I don't really have space for videos (and I think it's just a dumb idea to do so since the iPhone has such a tiny HDD, but that's me). There's a WHS add on that lets you stream media to an iPhone, I suggest doing that instead. It worked well enough for me until my WHS's mobo decided to die.
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Well, to each his own right I just don't listen to a lot of music. I probably have about 3 GB of music on my 16GB phone right now. The rest is podcasts, audiobooks, an video (podcasts and audiobooks for my 1-1/2 hour commute to work). Music gets boring on the drive to and from work....For the videos, after compressing with h264 in MP4 format to fit the screen size, an hour episode (recorded in HD) takes up about 450 MB with pretty damn good quality for the screen size. 1/2 hour sitcom episodes take up about 200 MB. So, even on the smaller 16GB 3GS I can still get quite a few videos (currently have about 15 hour-long shows, 3 movies, and about 6 sitcom episodes).
Streaming doesn't do me any good because I need the video when I am away from my WHS
Oh well, I'll just continue using 3rd party apps or manually adding new videos to the software. But in my opinion, that makes their software "kludgy" compared to more "friendly" software like the Zune software (though it has it's own issues... namely audiobooks).
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Some of what's been in said I agree with but some, WTH?? Need an app in your account but not installed? Download it on your phone.
I've have mine setup that I can sync my phone to any of the five PCs authorised to play iTunes music. They all share the same library so I can plug my phone into any of them and get a 100% sync. Seriously. This isn't rocket science.
As for Farscape, I really have no idea. Mine is loaded with music so I don't really have space for videos (and I think it's just a dumb idea to do so since the iPhone has such a tiny HDD, but that's me). There's a WHS add on that lets you stream media to an iPhone, I suggest doing that instead. It worked well enough for me until my WHS's mobo decided to die.
Yeah you have to register your iTunes with each computer. I'm sorry but that's unacceptable. I have a lot of friends, and if I feel like synching on their comps, I don't want to have to be careful about how many machines I've synched with in the past. It's completely ridiculous that I have to do anything other than connect my iPhone and go to iTunes.com App store (using firefox) an drag and drop files, or run executables. There's no excuse for this kind of infringement on good fath use.
My friends with iPhones are generally very careful about plugging in their iPdevice to any computer other than theirs because it's very easy to completely screw up your device. The solution isn't to improve iTunes, it's to stop forcing us to use proprietary DRM filled software. I paid 400 dollars for this phone. For that money I need to be given access to everythig it can do, and with the greatest consideration for my time. That's something Apple is not doing, and it is a mistake.
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I don't have that kind of time to waste but I'll just do a real quick one:
There's a folder, in your iTunes music folder, that is specifically for adding new music to iTunes. It's called "Automatically Add to iTunes."
First off, I have no fucking clue why you are putting blue ray rips on your phone which has a tiny size HDD in it. Second of all, you right click on the damn movie (and it has to be MP4 formatted from what I can tell) and then you can edit the info there, just like you can with a music file.
There. That was two things, happy now? The point is, this isn't brain surgery.
Ok, I missed the genre editing, my bad, I usually edit all my song genres in WMP, and I expected itunes to work like the WMP method (right click in genre, select edit - which makes sense), and I'm grateful you pointed that out, thanks.
However, the "automatically add to itunes" folder idea is a pale comparison with what WMP does, if you add music (or in my case, symbolic links to your music) to the auto folder, itunes will add it to the library each time you start itunes, (resulting in duplicates, sigh.) and that's it. Yea, that's really no more useful than just adding the music to library every time, since you still have to do itunes specific things for each piece of music you add, instead of just adding it to your music folder or deleting it from your music folder and having it automatically update the library like WMP does.
Also, no I am not 'happy' - why would I be happy if someone addressed 2 complaints out 5, and 1 of those was a lame half-assed method that is not useable or what I meant? But anyway, searching google I do see a program that 'watches' directories and updates itunes, but having to use a 3rd party program for this is not good.
Oh and I put blu-rays on my iphone because I can... Besides they're _down converts_ as I already said, so only 700MBs each and I have plenty of room with the 32GB iphone.
So no, my mind is not changed, itunes is still pretty lame and slow.
Itunes works like crap on a mac as well. Crapple never thought i'd connect my iphone to my *other* mac laptop after my main one began to fail. This of course wiped out my $4000 library of music. Crapple also never thought my household would have more than one model of ipod that we wished to sync with a single mac. What days of frustration that was. Crapple also never thought i'd attempt to connect my son's ipod to my office computer or my son attempting to connect to his friend's computer - which again - wiped out his $200+ library of media.
Last xmas i received a kewl sony ericson phone/mp3/camera which ***amazingly*** can be connected to any kind of computer running any kind of OS and works with any kind of file manager. All i have to do is *copy* and *paste* my songs/movies into the phone. The phone **automatically** recognizes the files and plays them whenever i want. WHAT A NOVEL IDEA! No proprietary software - no synching problems of any kind - no headaches or hoops about who uses what device on what computer - no error messages saying that my library cant be accessed ****NOW*** because it was created with a newer version and no more stupid hour-long conversions of mp4 video because its format is not recognized. What a load of crap. I've since discovered that MANY non-crapple products ***amazingly**** perform this well. My son now has a kickass Nokia and my sister has a slick samsung. All 3 of our non-crapple devices can fill the room with undistorted sound at max volume from their tiny-ass speakers and they don't even care if the media is non-legit. This revelation in non-crapple devices was almost euphoric. I'm never going back - EVER!
Last xmas i received a kewl sony ericson phone/mp3/camera which ***amazingly*** can be connected to any kind of computer running any kind of OS and works with any kind of file manager. All i have to do is *copy* and *paste* my songs/movies into the phone. The phone **automatically** recognizes the files and plays them whenever i want. WHAT A NOVEL IDEA! No proprietary software - no synching problems of any kind - no headaches or hoops about who uses what device on what computer - no error messages saying that my library cant be accessed ****NOW*** because it was created with a newer version and no more stupid hour-long conversions of mp4 video because its format is not recognized. What a load of crap. I've since discovered that MANY non-crapple products ***amazingly**** perform this well. My son now has a kickass Nokia and my sister has a slick samsung. All 3 of our non-crapple devices can fill the room with undistorted sound at max volume from their tiny-ass speakers and they don't even care if the media is non-legit. This revelation in non-crapple devices was almost euphoric. I'm never going back - EVER!
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This is exactly the kind of synching issue I was responding to that maroon about. People who think that synching restrictions, authorizations, auto-wipe, and all the other bullshit Apple puts you through to use their products is ok are absolute maroons. Sheeple exist on this earth to defend their herders. I understand that and yet it still frustrates me sometimes.
I tried switching from Itunes to Winamp + ipod synching plugin, and my database was corrupted twice. First because winamp tried to access my ipod and Itunes novel encryption made the database unaccessable, and the second time because Itunes detected that someone tried to access their database and deemed it 12GB worth of "Other" files. Fuck you Apple. Fuck you, I am so glad this will be the last product of yours I ever use.
Oh and last but not least. APPLE I DON'T WANT BONJOUR, QUICKTIME, ITUNES & QUICKTIME UPDATE POPUPS OR ANY OTHER FUCKING THING OTHER THAN WHAT I CHOSE TO INSTALL ON MY COMPUTER. I DON'T NEED MOBILE DEVICE SUPPORT IF IM ALREADY RUNNING YOUR IPOD DETECTION SERVICE. I DON'T NEED THE ABILITY TO USE YOUR FUCKING APPLETV PRODUCT. I DON'T HAVE ONE. FUCK YOU!
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Apple controls thing the way they do because the can, and they feel it provides a better experience. How many households have more than 5 computers? Not many. What are the actual 'fair use' laws? Your only supposed to use your music within your household. It is purchased for your private use, not to share among friends.
If you dont like how apple does things, thats fine, just dont use apple and you dont have to deal with it. iTunes doesn't work the way you want it to? Fine, go sell your iPod and use a Zune. Apple attempts to provide a completely integrated experience for ease and quality of use, and if you are using Apple's products as intended, then, hey, guess what, they work wonderfully. Rip with iTunes, buy with iTunes, your all set, no duplicate music to deal with, and oh, guess what, it works wonderfully. Dont want to do that? Want to get your music from other sources, Ok, just use the 'add to itunes' function. Not like it is that difficult.
The software works very well for its intended purpose. Again, if you dont like that purpose, dont use it, or the iPod for that matter, because apparently, it doesn't fit your needs as well as you think. Go buy a zune, or another of the massive number of portable media players out there. Quit bitching and saying stupid shit about Apple.
If you dont like how apple does things, thats fine, just dont use apple and you dont have to deal with it. iTunes doesn't work the way you want it to? Fine, go sell your iPod and use a Zune. Apple attempts to provide a completely integrated experience for ease and quality of use, and if you are using Apple's products as intended, then, hey, guess what, they work wonderfully. Rip with iTunes, buy with iTunes, your all set, no duplicate music to deal with, and oh, guess what, it works wonderfully. Dont want to do that? Want to get your music from other sources, Ok, just use the 'add to itunes' function. Not like it is that difficult.
The software works very well for its intended purpose. Again, if you dont like that purpose, dont use it, or the iPod for that matter, because apparently, it doesn't fit your needs as well as you think. Go buy a zune, or another of the massive number of portable media players out there. Quit bitching and saying stupid shit about Apple.
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I'm sorry what? I'm supposed to use my music ON MY DEVICE. It doesn't matter if I wish to access the file system on 10 million PC's. The average person may encounter many computers each day. This is a ridiculous restriction, further complicated by the fact that I have to re-sync my entire database of songs with each computer, meaning if I wish to add 1 song to my iPod, via anything other than iTunes on said iPod, I have to erase every single piece of music on my ipod, or make sure that whatever computer I'm using it on has the EXACT SAME file list as my home base pc. You seriously want to argue that this benefits the user and isn't a HUGE pain in the ass? Oh and Apple... PROPER NOUNS ARE CAPITALIZED FIRST LETTER, NOT SECOND. Fuck you Apple for messing with world's grammatical standards. Yet another grievance I can add to my hate list
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Again, how many computers do you own that you store your music on? I highly doubt it is more than 5. If it isn't music you or a member of your family purchased, there is no reason for you to be syncing your ipod with that library, now is there? The restriction isn't unrealistic, your just not happy that you cant use your friends music, when you have no right to in the first place.
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I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to sync their iPhone/iPod to someone else's computer unless it's to steal music.
My computer has my stuff on it. Duh. I've plugged my phone into someone else's PC many times to charge it but never once have I thought "fuck Apple. I should be about to sync this to anyone else's PC so I can steal some music!!!"
My computer has my stuff on it. Duh. I've plugged my phone into someone else's PC many times to charge it but never once have I thought "fuck Apple. I should be about to sync this to anyone else's PC so I can steal some music!!!"
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I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to sync their iPhone/iPod to someone else's computer unless it's to steal music.
My computer has my stuff on it. Duh. I've plugged my phone into someone else's PC many times to charge it but never once have I thought "fuck Apple. I should be about to sync this to anyone else's PC so I can steal some music!!!"
You don't have a choice. If you want to add 1 song you need to resync your entire library. If Apple was so concerned with piracy you think they'd make it so you wouldn't have to steal the entire library at once right?
And PS that kind of bland generalization is how they get away with this. Instead of thinking "I WANT TO STEAL EVERYTHING THEY HAVE" when you plug your ipod into another users pc, how about you think, "MAN WHILE I'M USING THIS PC I'LL FIND SOME SONGS I WANT TO BUY!" And then you'll have the option of doing that using a keyboard instead of on a 3.5 inch touchscreen. Crazy right?
And am I reading into this too much, or is a guy named "Crime and Evil" associating every unmonitored use with crime? Ironic no?
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Once again, both of you are missing the point. Even if the PC DOESN'T store any music, you still cannot use it to add songs to your ipod, or to edit your ipod library, without ERASING EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Your database is only accessible on 1 machine at a time, no matter your intentions. Treating every customer that wants freedom of use as a pirate is retarded jrdonnaruma and the other guy. I've run into this issue at my home, and it pisses me the fuck off. I have 2 pc's, and their playlists are different. In order to get the right music on my ipod, I have to browse through the other computer's list, and either download those files to a flash disk, or transfer them to my computer upstairs via network. Not what I'd call user friendly.
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Wow. You even fail at reading too. Crim as in crimson.
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Why the hell would you be trying to sync your phone to a machine with no music?!
Uh, okay then how do you explain the fact that my database is on a whole FIVE PC's?!? Of course you filthy muggle!! It's magic!! lmao
Your setup isn't very user friendly then. Centeralise it.... oh wait. I forgot your actually talking about wanting to steal other's music.
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If you want to add one song, there is a nifty function called 'add to library'. You dont need to resync the entire library, just add the one song to it.
They make it so you cant take any music that isnt yours without losing all of your music on the device, not just the entire library, but all the music.
And why do you have two sets of music on two pcs in the same house? Thats just inefficient in sense of the word. And, on that note.. havent you heard of a nifty feature called Homeshare? I would check it out if i was you.
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Don't bother. The guy clearly just wants to steal other's music. Otherwise his "issue" wouldn't be an issue.
Hey! I have a real issue with Apple and their iPhone. How about Apple cuts the crap and lets the consumer decide what compatible cell network we want to use with it?!? Oh wait, this isn't an issue for me since I run my iPhone on Tmobile. lol
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lol, I agree with that one, Crim. I wish we could use it on Verizon or Sprint (I know I know, wrong technology in the chips..) But we can look forward to the 4G iphone and the lack of a ATT+Apple contract.
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This isn't true. You cannot add to any library unless that library is synched with the device. Maybe you can add individual iTunes store purchases, but that would be it. Meaning if you want to download media from Amazon? Can't. Other services? Can't. Legitimetely purchased CD's? Can't. There's no excuse for that.
Again the assumption that any music that you want to transfer to your device, while using anything other than the computer you normally sync your ipod with is pointless. It's impossible to prove, and is just an attempt to red-herring the argument. The fact that you're even arguing this shows how much Apple's done to brainwash you. There are clearly a number of situations where it would be beneficial to the user not to have to go through this process. How about if you have a laptop and a desktop? I'm getting a laptop for school in a few days. I can't do anything other than charge my iphone with it. Thanks apple.
And again: Your itunes library is completely locked unless you sync with the computer. That means you literally cannot do anything other than buy media from Itunes. This is a use-restricting feature, and has nothing to do with "stealing music".
The funny thing is that I'm POSITIVE that both of you have music on your device that you did not purchase. There is almost no one that I know that has bought every song they have on their device. So please don't muddy the waters with that argument; no one is going to believe that every piece of media on your device is your own. Having an unlocked device clearly enables you to do much more than "steal other people's music" so why don't you focus on that? It's a feature lockout whether you're a pirate or not.
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Don't bother. The guy clearly just wants to steal other's music. Otherwise his "issue" wouldn't be an issue.
Hey! I have a real issue with Apple and their iPhone. How about Apple cuts the crap and lets the consumer decide what compatible cell network we want to use with it?!? Oh wait, this isn't an issue for me since I run my iPhone on Tmobile. lol
Crime, I've said all I have to say to you. Your point is pointless. Apple loves to feature restrict its hardware, and tie it down 100% to their software. That's not ok. If you want to claim that you have no illicit software on your device that's fine. It's almost definetely a lie, and regardless, dismissing what I'm saying, claiming that I've admitted to "piracy" by wanting the ability to use my device how I desire is just slander. It's an ad hominem dismissal. I don't see anything to talk about since that's what you stick with.
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I never said my iPhone didn't have anything illegal on it (for fucks sake! I've already said I run it on Tmobile. lmao). Your argument is just plain fucking dumb. Why the hell would want to sync their phone to someone else's PC?! Straight up plain dumb and useless. That is unless you're taking music from their library.
Only reason. You're bitching about a "feature" that no one would use unless they're taking music from a PC that they don't own. Even then there's plenty of software out there that will recover music from an iPod/iPhone which is something that I've had to use before.
AND IT'S FUCKING CRIM you filthy muggle. lol
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AND YET I CAN ADD MUSIC FROM OTHER PLACES THEN ITUNES TO ITUNES!! Oh, wait. THAT'S CAUSE IT'S MAGIC you silly muggle!!
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I never said my iPhone didn't have anything illegal on it (for fucks sake! I've already said I run it on Tmobile. lmao). Your argument is just plain fucking dumb. Why the hell would want to sync their phone to someone else's PC?! Straight up plain dumb and useless. That is unless you're taking music from their library.
You're bitching about a "feature" that no one would use unless they're taking music from a PC that they don't own. Even then there's plenty of software out there that will recover music from an iPod/iPhone which is something that I've had to use before.
AND IT'S FUCKING CRIM you filthy muggle.
Crim, before you start insulting other posters, you might want to read what you're replying to.
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Well, you know one more person who has no music on his computer that he doesn't own outright. Every piece of media I have is legal in every way. Anyway, I see what your talking about now. When you say library, i think library on the computer, not the device. Your talking about adding a single song to the device.
Well, itunes does do that, actually, it doesn't resync the entire library if you change only a single song on the list. It just adds or removes the songs you changed. (And I just tested that on my iphone before posting, to make sure I'm accurate).
CDs you can add to your itunes library, amazon songs to0
, as long as they are not DRMed in an proper format. of course you cant add CDs directly to the device no portable media player can do that, or amazon songs, (might be able to on iphone/ipod touch though).
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AND YET I CAN ADD MUSIC FROM OTHER PLACES THEN ITUNES TO ITUNES!! Oh, wait. THAT'S CAUSE IT'S MAGIC you silly muggle!!
Really you putz? http://www.andrewgrant.org/2008/03/30/how-to-sync-an-iphone-with-two-or-more-computers.html
more: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10142345-233.html
You can't do it without erasing your library initially. If you try to manually manage music, you will be asked to erase and resynch your library.
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Really you fucking retard? http://www.andrewgrant.org/2008/03/30/how-to-sync-an-iphone-with-two-or-more-computers.html
WARNING! I AM A LITTLE DRUNK NOW! lol
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That's actually how my PCs are setup. All music is in a networked drive so it's easy to get too.
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Right, that's a good solution if you use a network drive.
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And you should be. No reason not too. Well, maybe a few reasons but they're all completely moronic.
MAKE DATA FREE, WRAP YOUR TOOL! LOL
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Well, maybe I'm missing something. I've tried to do this with my device, and if I try to set my Itunes on this PC to manually manage it asks me to erase my iPhone and resync. Yeah and when I meant library I meant whatever list of files you have on your device, not the library of the computer you're using. That's actually the problem, because on my pc I have my normal library, normal ID3 tags edited, etc. On this pc, which is my family's, there's some other media I want to transfer over, but cannot. Again, it sounds like theres a way to do this that I'm missing. If there is it is a recent feature. I'm seeing people saying that it came around with Itunes 9, but I still don't see how to work it.
If it does work, its still pathetic that it took Apple 2 years into the product line's life to add such a basic feature, a feature we've had since the 32MB Rio.
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I'm going to start working on some wine. I'm clearly out of my league right now. What are u drinking?