Prosecutors Seeking Prison Time In MySpace Case

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The prosecutors in the case against the lady posing as a teenage boy on MySpace to harass a 13 year old girl (that later committed suicide) are asking for three years in prison. What do you think? Is three years enough? Too much?

A Missouri mother should serve three years in prison for her role in a MySpace hoax on a 13-year-old neighbor who committed suicide, federal prosecutors said in court documents filed Wednesday in Los Angeles. Assistant U.S. Atty. Mark Krause outlined the government's position while requesting the maximum sentence for Lori Drew.
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I say it's WAY too much. While yah hazing a 13 year old girl is pretty fricking low, that's all it was. If this girl was really feeling that upset maybe she should have stopped using MySpace, I'm curious to find out exactly what was said to this girl that made her off herself. Was it ultra harsh and damaging? Or was this just some little emo girl who failed her first test with dealing with the bad things that will happen to you in life.
 
Sadistic mental abuse of a child. Someone else's child. Resulting in the death of that child...
3 years in prison is fine if they beat her to within an inch of her life each week.
 
thats a tough one. I don't think that she should get any jail time (or at least not that much)... I'm sure it wasn't planned. However, making an example out of her probably isnt a bad idea. It will make others think twice before doing stupid shit like that
 
3 Years? lol.

The repeated drunk driver that killed 4 kids here the other day will not even be getting that much.
 
The mother deserves no time.

All she did was pretend to be a boy and dump the girl and harassed her a bit. Harassment online is no reason to kill yourself, especially when you're that young. The mother didn't kill the girl, the girl killed herself and that was a conscious decision she made over some teenage drama.

I'd like to think that a girl could handle being broken up with her e-boyfriend and some harsh words exchanged over myspace. Either she was a very weak person, or she might have had various other problems that bothered her in her life.
 
Must have been a super serial online relationship that meant a lot. I mean they didn't even meet, that's like super important.
 
It's one thing when it's a 13 year old posing as a secret admirer. It's another when it's a 40 year old woman,
 
sfsuphysics said:
Was it ultra harsh and damaging? Or was this just some little emo girl who failed her first test with dealing with the bad things that will happen to you in life.
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+1. It's kind of different depending wether the kid was just overly sensitive to some teasing, or if this person was actually encouraging them to commit suicide. Either way, I don't see how in the worst case this person (even as much of a douche they are) could be receiving much more than a basic manslaughter charge.
 
They're just digital words, how she could let something like that get the best of her to take her own life is ridiculous. It's the internet, there's no reason to take it so seriously, especially at that young. If the mother had said go kill yourself and i'll give you the gun to do it that'd be a bit different, but the girl went out of her way to take her own life.
 
She impersonated a boy, gained the girls trust over time, formed an intimate bond with the girl... then tried to completely destroy her self esteem and hurt her as much as possible. Totally responsible adult behavior. I am sure you guys do that every weekend. Doing that to a distressed, hormonal, teenage girl out of some sort of evil need to make others hurt, that is totally ok. No chance any harm will be done to the girl for your amusement...
 
In this situation it wasn't like 2 adults were bickering on the forums. This is a clear case of a adult purposely causing serious emotional stress on a child. The girl was 13, barely a teenager. I think it's completely sick that a an adult would knowingly do that to a child, whether it resulted in death or not. At that age, a kid is a hormonal time bomb. This similar to being bullied, except in this case, it was an adult bully, and death was the result.
 
3 years is fine. While I'm sure she didn't mean to kill the girl, she still died because of it, albiet pretty stupid as that is. The 40 year old woman is sick, absolutely sick, to malliciously and maticiously harm a 13 year old teenager.
 
caddy said:
In this situation it wasn't like 2 adults were bickering on the forums. This is a clear case of a adult purposely causing serious emotional stress on a child. The girl was 13, barely a teenager. I think it's completely sick that a an adult would knowingly do that to a child, whether it resulted in death or not. At that age, a kid is a hormonal time bomb. This similar to being bullied, except in this case, it was an adult bully, and death was the result.
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couldn't of said it any better
 
The girl that killed herself was 13. I don't own a myspace account, but I imagine the age to sign up is not 13 and that she broke terms of service by doing so. There's so many other actions the girl could have taken when she was upset they were calling her names, but instead she chose to take her own life over something as stupid as an online relationship that lasted only a few weeks.
 
I don't see much difference between this and face-to-face emotional and verbal abuse of a 40 year old woman to a 13 year old girl leading to the girl commiting suicide. It should be tried as such. If that means 3 years, so be it.
 
ordovician said:
I don't see much difference between this and face-to-face emotional and verbal abuse of a 40 year old woman to a 13 year old girl leading to the girl commiting suicide. It should be tried as such. If that means 3 years, so be it.
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Exactly. What would a person be charged with? Yelling? hurting someones feelings? Lying? Whats the crime here? Emotional and Verbal abuse of a child might be a crime, but 3 years? 5? Bullshit.

Just because this is very sad, and this adult woman is a bitch doesn't mean she should get locked up for a long time.
 
This is something that no matter the discussion people who feel one way about it will not change their stance.

The rational minded people will point out the realities of it, this is the people saying things like "The girl chose to do that because a virtual boyfriend said he was breaking up with her", "What if a real boy had done it, would we want to imprison him for breaking up with her".

The empathic minded people will point out "It's a child! Think of the children!", end of argument, find some law, any law that can be used to punish the woman.

If your mind is rational you won't really be able to understand the other side, if your mind is guided by emotions instead then you won't understand the rational thought processes of the other side. Good luck to anybody trying to bridge that gap of reasoning between the two sides.
 
Monkey God said:
Exactly. What would a person be charged with? Yelling? hurting someones feelings? Lying? Whats the crime here? Emotional and Verbal abuse of a child might be a crime, but 3 years? 5? Bullshit.

Just because this is very sad, and this adult woman is a bitch doesn't mean she should get locked up for a long time.
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Pretend for a second you have a little sister who is picked on all the time at school. As an adult I decide I want to pick on her too soo I make a myspace account and gain her trust, then form a relationship with her. I learn her weaknesses, get her little emotional mind to tell her she loves me, then I curb stomp her little mind as best I can. Completely debase her and violate her trust. I revel in her pain and gain sooo much satisfaction knowing that she is torn up and dying inside. I love that I have taken her one step closer to breaking. After that she kills her self. You would want to kill me wouldn't you? not only would I be a spiteful evil piece of shit, but what possible good could I ever do society?

IMO, death or permenant exile would be a fitting punishment. I have no pity for those who gain joy from inflicting pain and misery on others. What good do they do society? If they hold it in an do us no harm, fine. If they lash out and torture us, just get rid of them.
 
caddy said:
In this situation it wasn't like 2 adults were bickering on the forums. This is a clear case of a adult purposely causing serious emotional stress on a child. The girl was 13, barely a teenager. I think it's completely sick that a an adult would knowingly do that to a child, whether it resulted in death or not. At that age, a kid is a hormonal time bomb. This similar to being bullied, except in this case, it was an adult bully, and death was the result.
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Sick... yes
Illegal... no
 
Ockie said:
Sick... yes
Illegal... no
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You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to have sex with you, you are a horrible criminal.
You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to kill themselves, you are in the clear?
 
Jakalwarrior said:
Pretend for a second you have a little sister who is picked on all the time at school. As an adult I decide I want to pick on her too soo I make a myspace account and gain her trust, then form a relationship with her. I learn her weaknesses, get her little emotional mind to tell her she loves me, then I curb stomp her little mind as best I can. Completely debase her and violate her trust. I revel in her pain and gain sooo much satisfaction knowing that she is torn up and dying inside. I love that I have taken her one step closer to breaking. After that she kills her self. You would want to kill me wouldn't you? not only would I be a spiteful evil piece of shit, but what possible good could I ever do society?

IMO, death or permenant exile would be a fitting punishment. I have no pity for those who gain joy from inflicting pain and misery on others. What good do they do society? If they hold it in an do us no harm, fine. If they lash out and torture us, just get rid of them.
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Emotions have no place in the legal system. Just because you hate someone vehemently doesn't mean automatic long term sentence. While I might agree with you in principle (mean people suck and should be killed) the legal system does not cover such things. It covers laws, and facts.
 
Ualdayan said:
The rational minded people will point out the realities of it, this is the people saying things like "The girl chose to do that because a virtual boyfriend said he was breaking up with her", "What if a real boy had done it, would we want to imprison him for breaking up with her".

The empathic minded people will point out "It's a child! Think of the children!", end of argument, find some law, any law that can be used to punish the woman.
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This is a very good point.

I just want to know what else was going on with the girl to make her so mentally unstable? It takes quite a bit to get up the gusto to kill yourself, and i'm willing to put money down that she was suffering from depression before the teasing began. Why else would she have an online relationship with a boy who lives close to her, but apparently doesn't have a phone number but does have avid internet access? "He" never came to see her and their relationship was based off of a social networking site, and she managed to get that worked up over "him".

The mom also didn't sit there by herself and torment the girl all the time. There were several other parties involved in this tragic event. There was an 18 year old daughter, who initially created the account and assisted in getting things organized. There was a boy leaving messages at the parents house saying it was over. And various harassment from people who viewed her page. The 18 year old girl is now in a hospital for psychiatric treatment.
 
Exactly! Keep emotions out of it. People are always saying things like "What if it was your sister!" Well if it was then I wouldn't be thinking clearly and shouldn't be on the jury! There is no way this should be illegal and anyone who thinks it should be is probably the same kind of person who can't control their own emotions!

What bothers me is how society seems to want to take the blame off the girl who actually committed the act by killing herself and lay it on someone else.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to have sex with you, you are a horrible criminal.
You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to kill themselves, you are in the clear?
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So I guess school shootings are justifiable because the shooters were bullied or abused by adults?

Think about that. No one said that taking a life was right, but taking your own life is your own problem.

I'm going to say you suck, and if you happen to kill yourself right now, then I'll get 3 years in prison too... ok? Lets hope that I'm much older than you are and then I'll get an extra few years.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to have sex with you, you are a horrible criminal.
You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to kill themselves, you are in the clear?
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You can prove the adult INTENDED to for the child to kill herself? Or just was being a bitch?
 
This case is all about perspective, Those saying the young girl taking her own life over online bullying was a foolish choice are correct. However, from the girls point of view, her world was destroyed.

Just online harassment you say? Have you ever heard us old codgers saying "you spend your life online" or, something similar? The combined effects of hormonal changes, need for peer approval and, need for social structure of the young girl were all maliciously attacked by an ADULT who practiced psychological warfare.

Most young people have a chance to experience enough of the real world to gain perspective through family, friends (the face to face kind) and, school. Can those of you thinking the proposed prison term is too much really conceive of no situation where the girl was isolated enough to view myspace as her only window on the world?

As a citizen, I can live with Lori Drew getting 3 years in prison. As a parent, she would not live to serve it. My one consolation is that she will experience first hand what that type of psychological warfare is like behind bars.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
Pretend for a second you have a little sister who is picked on all the time at school. As an adult I decide I want to pick on her too soo I make a myspace account and gain her trust, then form a relationship with her. I learn her weaknesses, get her little emotional mind to tell her she loves me, then I curb stomp her little mind as best I can. Completely debase her and violate her trust. I revel in her pain and gain sooo much satisfaction knowing that she is torn up and dying inside. I love that I have taken her one step closer to breaking. After that she kills her self. You would want to kill me wouldn't you? not only would I be a spiteful evil piece of shit, but what possible good could I ever do society?

IMO, death or permenant exile would be a fitting punishment. I have no pity for those who gain joy from inflicting pain and misery on others. What good do they do society? If they hold it in an do us no harm, fine. If they lash out and torture us, just get rid of them.
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From what I've previously read (wasn't this article) she did the whole fake thing to this girl because the girl had already done something to her daughter. She had the same "get revenge" attitude you show; clearly the revenge mindset is a bad one to have because it can turn to where you're considered the one in the wrong by society very quickly. People will quickly forget what they did to you, and want your head for what you did get. Revenge is not the answer.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
Pretend for a second you have a little sister who is picked on all the time at school. As an adult I decide I want to pick on her too soo I make a myspace account and gain her trust, then form a relationship with her. I learn her weaknesses, get her little emotional mind to tell her she loves me, then I curb stomp her little mind as best I can. Completely debase her and violate her trust. I revel in her pain and gain sooo much satisfaction knowing that she is torn up and dying inside. I love that I have taken her one step closer to breaking. After that she kills her self. You would want to kill me wouldn't you? not only would I be a spiteful evil piece of shit, but what possible good could I ever do society?
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Exactly, one step closer meaning she already had previous emotional circumstances that assisted in her hating herself so much she'd do such an atrocious act.

People who commit suicide are completely selfish, if her parents really were the caring understanding parents they want to portray themselves to be then why did they let her get so mentally unbalanced? Why were they allowing her to be on a site, which she wasn't even old enough to be on? With simple good parenting prevenative measures this could have possibly been avoided, but maybe not. Like others have said, what if this was a real boy doing this to her and she killed herself.

I also wouldn't say that the mother used her "superior adult mind" to get her to kill herself, this was by no means a smart move on her part but nothing deserving of time. There was a group effort of harassment, most of the crueler comments coming from various younger girls.
 
Magnus said:
This case is all about perspective, Those saying the young girl taking her own life over online bullying was a foolish choice are correct. However, from the girls point of view, her world was destroyed. .
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If im crazy, and you make fun of me deliberately on the intarwebz, and I kill myself, its my fault im dead, not yours. Your still an ass, im still dead, and its sad, but its NOT your fault.

If you take "make fun of me on the intarwebz" and multiple by 1000 times more aggressive, IM's, emails, online posts, It doesn't change a thing. It becomes harassment at worse. I KILL myself because I AM CRAZY, not because your a dick.

This is just like saying all the kids who harassed/bullied those columbine shooters deserved what they got. I mean, those poor shooters were emotionaly imbalanced and had issues, and its not their fault everyone was so mean to them!!!! The only difference they didn't kill themselves, they killed others. Whose fault was it?
 
DamTheMan said:
This is a very good point.

I just want to know what else was going on with the girl to make her so mentally unstable? It takes quite a bit to get up the gusto to kill yourself, and i'm willing to put money down that she was suffering from depression before the teasing began. .
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"From the third grade Megan had been under the care of a psychiatrist. She had been prescribed Citalopram, Methylphenidate and Ziprasidone.[13] She had been diagnosed with attention deficit disorder and depression and considered herself overweight.[14] She was described by her parents as a "bubbly, goofy" girl who enjoyed spending time with her friends and family.[15]"
 
The women blantently did this to hurt this child. That is what the prosecutor is trying to get across. If I was that girls dad the only trial would be my own. I have a fealing if they release her she will be dead in a week anyways.
 
In our legal system there is no underlying logical right or wrong. It is all about emotions. The very basis of it is what we feel is right or we feel is wrong. We then arbitrarily assign punishments based on how we feel about the crime and what we think will prevent it in the future. Example: death sentence, Assault charges, hate crime, etc...
 
Magnus said:
However, from the girls point of view, her world was destroyed.

where the girl was isolated enough to view myspace as her only window on the world?
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If we all killed ourselves when adults said mean things to us, where would this leave us? If your parents said they hated you and you killed yourself, where should it leave them?

The point is that we all had someone say to us that they wish for us to die or pulled some major bullshit (psychological, bullying, etc), but in the end, it was our choice to continue or off ourselves.

Perhaps the dead girls parents should be to blame, they didn't raise a girl strong enough nor did they teach the girl the appropriate skills to resist suicide. Perhaps they should be tried for murder because they were not involved and let their kid run this fantasy life online with boyfriends and no supervision?
 
I agree the Adult was the underlying cause for the girls distress that led to her Suicide. If that State can and does lock her up for 3 years GREAT! I'd be filling a Wrongfully death suit and get a money award against the Mother. That makes her pay the judgement for rest of her life for the roll she took part in the loss of a 13 years olds future life.

Jakalwarrior said:
You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to have sex with you, you are a horrible criminal.
You break down a child and use your superior adult mind to get them to kill themselves, you are in the clear?
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