Yeah, it was on the 285. I also had it running on a 260, same issue with that card. I'm pretty sure it was a panel issue, although I probably should have hooked it up to my wife's 8800 on XP - maybe it was a Vista thing.
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Yeah, it was on the 285. I also had it running on a 260, same issue with that card. I'm pretty sure it was a panel issue, although I probably should have hooked it up to my wife's 8800 on XP - maybe it was a Vista thing.
Is it normal to get only 265:1 contrast after 1600 backlight hours, my monitor is about 6kk old. I'm using spyder2 colorimeter with basiccolor. Getting 101cd/m2 luminance and 0.38cd/m2 black levels. 0.30 avg deltaE. I see people here getting 600:1 contrast. Is it just that my monitor is old? Firmware gig032.
Spyder2 isn't capable of calibrating wide gamut screens, that's the major draw of the Spyder3. Maybe that's why you're getting such wonky numbers?
... turns out the problem with 045 extends beyond just the LED on the bezel. The display refuses to save any setting having to do with power management. I tried to shut off the power saver function, the setting doesn't save. It accepts it, but the OSD resets to "On" within minutes. I really hope the replacement unit has 052, or even 034.
Interesting to note, the Trusted Reviews reference sample? The one that scored 10/10? GIG111 GIG034. I emailed Ardjuna Seghers and he was nice enough to respond.
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I used the Spyder2 Express calibrator and it isn't good at all. Doesn't let you manually change the settings or anything. Made everything look as though there were a yellow-ish hue, so I went with the profile and settings from TFTCentral instead.
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http://www.pantone.co.uk/pages/products/product.aspx?pid=562&ca=2
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/pantone_huey.htm
You may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere, I'm not familiar with European e-tailers.
I'm starting to think it's not the text that's giving me trouble. It's the way the panel displays the color white that melting my brain stem. No matter low I turn the brightness/contrast, white positively GLOWS. Because the majority of text is either white on dark or black text on white, it's agony. Not sure if it has to do with the lack of polarizer or something fundamentally wrong with the panel itself ... hoping this panel is bunk, and the replacement is a little less radioactive.
This is what I use --web design, development, and photography -- with a BenQ 241W and the LP2475w. The Pantone s/w allows for multiple displays, and with the OSD of the LP, you can fine tune your RGB's with a good ICC (available @ trftcentral).
It doesn't give you fine dE calibration, but you can make some pretty good adjustments, and get a good color quality for a good price/performance.
Other than that, I'd say the EyeOne, Blue Eye or Blue Eye 2; cost/value respectively.
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Simon Baker @ tftcentral - Sep. 9 said:
He goes on to note the settings he used as a start, before calibrating, which you could try --at least. Good read none the less, I'd also suggest: This really isn't a display for anyone looking at text 50%+ of the time.
My OSD brightness is 6. Out of 100. My Nvidia CP is then reduced an additional 10% (below the default 50%). I'm using both the TFT Central ICC profile and the brightness/contrast/RGB settings (brightness is actually 6 instead of the 10-12 he suggests).
The white is still eating my brain. It ain't right.
I check email. Occasional word processing. Surfing, forums. The majority of my time is spent with Adobe CS3 and gaming - the monitor excels at both, and I admit, I love this display for CS3/games. But the time I do spend reading is simply uncomfortable and unacceptable.
This can't be normal. There's gotta be something wrong with the panel. The replacement unit will tell the tale. Should be here on Tuesday.
The white is still eating my brain. It ain't right.
I check email. Occasional word processing. Surfing, forums. The majority of my time is spent with Adobe CS3 and gaming - the monitor excels at both, and I admit, I love this display for CS3/games. But the time I do spend reading is simply uncomfortable and unacceptable.
This can't be normal. There's gotta be something wrong with the panel. The replacement unit will tell the tale. Should be here on Tuesday.
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What symptoms are you experiencing? What is exactly is wrong with the text? I've been using my monitor for 3 months now and my eyes haven't noticed any problems with the text. Then again, no two sets of eyes are alike...
Are you using Vista? My new NEC panel doesn't exhibit any of the characteristics that both you and I experienced with the HP - the brain melting, fuzzy, red tinged text. I now think it must be a bad panel, because no way could someone look at the panel I had and think it was normal. I imagine it's the same with yours. Hopefully your new panel is better.
Again, not sure if the text itself is odd or if the unit displays white in an ultrabright fashion. Something is gimp, but it's hard to explain. I will say that, even with my settings, the white is really bright, almost glowing. Text appears to shift, blur. That's only because my eyes are straining, losing focus. My vision blurs, eyes water. It's really quite the production. I'll be hooking up my old 226BW tomorrow in dual screen. I've given the HP 5 days, hoping it would improve with some burn in. I'm on 46 hours, it's no better and I've probably destroyed five years worth of healthy eyesight in the process.
I am using Vista 64-bit, yes. I'm actually toying with creating an install of Windows 7 beta, to see if helps (my old copy of XP is on another work machine). I won't go to the trouble unless the replacement screen exhibits the same behavior. If it does, and it's not from the same batch (different build date, revision or F/W) ... then it's either the video card, the OS or me. I really do hope it's not something I'm personally susceptible to. That would be a real shame.
If you can, try hooking it up to the XP machine and see what it looks like. I'd be curious to see what it looks like - something I didn't do with mine before I returned it.
If the replacement panel is a fail, I will. It'll require that I pack the damn thing to my work office (it's currently set up in my home office), but it'll be worth it if XP solves the problem. I highly doubt it, though. If this were a Vista problem, it would be way more widespread and I'm certain someone would have discovered it ages ago. If anything, hooking it up to the other computer will also eliminate the video card as the culprit. Two birds, one stone.
I think that 90% of this issue depends on the eyes looking at the text.
That has crossed my mind. I have better than 20/20 vision (or at least I did, before this). I could be naturally susceptible to a negative aspect of the display that the majority of people otherwise don't notice.
I don't have 20/20 vision (wish I did, though) and honestly my eyes can't see any problems with the text. My eyes are about +1.25 each.
I'm crossing my fingers, hoping it's a defect within my particular display. The guys at HP support authorized a replacement immediately, almost no questions asked. Makes me think it's a known issue, one they've heard before.
I wish I could believe that - but there was definitely something different about mine. The red fringing was unmistakable, and the NEC panel doesn't have any at all. It may be more than just that, but it can't be normal.
Check out the pics in this post:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1033093513&postcount=1089
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People, you need to learn to use Clear Type Tuner...
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearType/tuner/tune.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearType/tuner/tune.aspx
Might want to read back a few pages there bud.
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I've done a search of this sizeable thread, but not found the answer, so a quick question to anyone with this monitor using the component input: does it accept a 1080p signal via component? I have a Dell 2407WFP but that can only handle 1080i via component.
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Is it possible to emulate the oversaturated look of the HP LP2475W on a standard gamut lcd? I got a NEC 20WMGX2 and this HP is my main contender for an upgrade. Wondering if the colors will bother me, but I'm guessing probably not since the glossy finish on my NEC kinda makes colors vibrant already.
I got an nvidia video card, maybe turning up digital vibrance will do the trick?
I got an nvidia video card, maybe turning up digital vibrance will do the trick?
No, you can't emulate the oversaturation. I have a dual monitor setup of NEC 20WMGX2 and HP LP2475w. Both monitors are properly calibrated with Spyder3. And I can clearly see the color difference with programs that are color unaware. Even the small icons on the title bar of each window is oversaturated in WinXP and Vista.
Most people aren't bothered by it. I am not one of them.
I've read that Windows 7 will be color-aware. I hope so.
Armatoste,
I recalled you asking about gaming experience between NEC 20WMGX2 and HP LP2475w. I notice a very small difference, but I don't know if that's due to my video card (8800 GT) not able to handle the larger screen (1900 x 1200 vs. 1680 x 1050).
Why don't you keep your NEC 20WMGX2 for a while in a dual monitor setup? That way you can compare for yourself?
I recalled you asking about gaming experience between NEC 20WMGX2 and HP LP2475w. I notice a very small difference, but I don't know if that's due to my video card (8800 GT) not able to handle the larger screen (1900 x 1200 vs. 1680 x 1050).
Why don't you keep your NEC 20WMGX2 for a while in a dual monitor setup? That way you can compare for yourself?
I took some photos, but the colors were noticably off. Anyhow, you may take a look at one of them here:
ColorCompare.JPG
The test images were: ColorTest.JPG and PDI_Test_Image.JPG.
HP LP2475w on the left, NEC 20WMGX2 on the right. Both monitors are color calibrated. However, only ColorTest on the NEC is displayed as color-correct (through Firefox). All other images are displayed via IE, thus not color-correct. Notice the HP LP2475w appears to be reddish, I think this is the interaction between the monitor and the camera. In real-life, the monitor doesn't look reddish. (Ok, just a very little bit on the right, if I stare at it intently.)
And again, the color in this photo is way off. Don't reply with comments about how I can't capture wide gamut color this way. I know!!! This photo was taken at Armatoste's request. Note: If I view this photo on the NEC through IE, the colors from HP LP2475w ColorTest.JPG is a closer matche to what I see when ColorTest.JPG is displayed on the NEC (through FireFox).
This monitor gets lots of bad reviews. Text fuzziness, and poor back lighting seem to be the major issues. Color accuracy on this particular panel according to test reports I have read is not as exceptional as one would hope, though it is very good. For $600 I wouldn't want to make any concessions in quality and this monitor demands concessions. Bottom line for me, H-IPS still needs time.
For $200 you can calibrate a TN panel and be 95% of the way there. The technology moves so fast why would you waste your money? Give it one or two years H-IPS will be $300 and twice as good. So what, the viewing angle isn't great, well, newsflash, I sit directly in front of my computer 99% of the time, as does the rest of humanity. If I just want to see what something says at an angle, I can do that with any monitor these days including TN.
For $200 you can calibrate a TN panel and be 95% of the way there. The technology moves so fast why would you waste your money? Give it one or two years H-IPS will be $300 and twice as good. So what, the viewing angle isn't great, well, newsflash, I sit directly in front of my computer 99% of the time, as does the rest of humanity. If I just want to see what something says at an angle, I can do that with any monitor these days including TN.
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Yeah you are right TN is fine in most cases except when you have a large monitor around 24" or more when viewing dead on you can still notice color shifting.
ANd TN monitors are only have 6 bit panel that have to use dithering to fake colors whereas this HP has 8 bits of true color. I will take H-IPS over TN anyday thank you. From awhile back, you asked how the monitor paired up with an 8800 GTS 640mb. It depends on the game, Arma. I've had to reduce settings in Far Cry 2 and a few other games, but Source engine games handle the resolution jump without requiring a single altered setting. L4D looks fantastic!
Actually, the monitor receives universally glowing reviews. Even those of us with issues ultimately say, "This is a brilliant display, if only the Quality Assurance teams were on the ball." That's the only downside of this unit. HP needs to step up their QA testing. You only hear the complaints, online. Those of us with issues whine louder than the cheering masses lauding the monitor for it's amazing PQ and outstanding value. For every one person with an issue, there are hundreds with a flawless panel. Even with my "text fuzziness" issue, I still love everything else about this monitor and I honestly hope the replacement unit solves the problem.
As with many other monitors, lots of cases are hit or miss. There are certainly large amounts of people who are completely satisfied with this monitor who don't complain about hues, text issues, etc on these (and other) forums. As for saying that a calibrated TN panel is 95% of the way there, that's not entirely true. You can't really put a percentage. As silent hero added, you're getting 6-bit versus 8-bit, inaccurate imitation of colors, backlight bleed, and the other side-effects of TN panels. They're in completely different ranges and cannot be viewed as substitutes for each other in every case. H-IPS is still the highest quality type of LCD panel.
Yeah you are right TN is fine in most cases except when you have a large monitor around 24" or more when viewing dead on you can still notice color shifting.
I agree. There are other reasons as well.
HP just called to tell me the replacement display is backordered, with no ETA. It totally sucks, as this now destroys my timeline for requesting an RMA. Not sure what to do, at this point. I might contact the seller and request the RMA, citing the circumstances of the backorder. They can either extend my grace period, allowing me to wait for the replacement, or accept my return immediately.
Hi,
I got my hp lp2475w two weeks ago. Its made in Czech republic December 2008 rev. gig 111 and F/W GIG 045. I notice that I can't permanently disable power led, but no other problems.
I'm little frustrating with HP Display Assistant. It is impossible to install this application without Pivot software. It also impossible to remove Pivot during Installer error.
I got my hp lp2475w two weeks ago. Its made in Czech republic December 2008 rev. gig 111 and F/W GIG 045. I notice that I can't permanently disable power led, but no other problems.
I'm little frustrating with HP Display Assistant. It is impossible to install this application without Pivot software. It also impossible to remove Pivot during Installer error.
I just now received another call from HP asking me to verify my name, shipping address and phone number. The second caller assured me the item is NOT back-ordered and was confused when I told her I had received a phone call just this morning, informing me of the back-order.
Regardless, it looks like HP is now shipping my replacement. She gave me an ETA of 1-2 business days.
HP support. Helpful and understanding, if not a little confused.
I'm really interested in where you've found these "bad reviews"-- I wanna know that I'm not going crazy, as I scoured all the reviews I could muster before my purchase, and found none.