HP LP2475w (Possible new IPS)

Does anyone feel that the wide gamut will ruin this monitor for gaming? Or can the panel be calibrated to make it less of an issue?
 
amarie said:
By $15 did you mean 15%? That's what HP states on their website.

I will probably be purchasing this directly from HP later tonight. I hope you're right about their return policy. I'll investigate...
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$15. And absolutely no hassle at all. They stated they'll provide a UPS sticker and I'll need to call UPS for a pickup. Customer service was so good that I won't hesitate buying direct from HP again in the future.

I decided to return rather than replace mine because at least two other people on this thread have noted the same problem which I find unacceptable. And the TFT Central review also documents an unacceptable (to me) level of non-uniformity across the panel. So, I'm assuming either that it is inherent to the design or far too many out of 'spec' units are allowed to pass QA.

Possibly I could have attempted a "swapping until happy" sequence. But I'm more willing to spend money than hassle. In fact, I would consider buying the LP2480zx if it did not have a fan.
 
I also checked HP's website, and it looks like the monitor has a 3 year warranty with In-Home service. Thats pretty sweet.
And thanks scivian, I've been reading over the TFTCenter review quite a bit today. It looks like the colors can be calibrated quite nicely.
 
rgazaway said:
Possibly I could have attempted a "swapping until happy" sequence. But I'm more willing to spend money than hassle. In fact, I would consider buying the LP2480zx if it did not have a fan.
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If I'm not mistaken, every LED backlight monitor (bar those found in laptops) have a fan.
 
I called HP last week and they said the $15 was a mis-print on the website and the restocking fee was 15%. So be careful guys.
 
I called them before purchase just in case it was a misprint and was told it was correct, $15 not 15%. I will find out tomorrow.
 
I'm about ready to pull the trigger on this monitor. $628.53 shipped from Sparco.com, who has the monitor in stock in Chicago, which is about 3 hours drive from me.
Should I go for it? This monitor seems like it will be all around awesome, and serve my gaming needs quite well.
 
WhiteZero said:
I'm about ready to pull the trigger on this monitor. $628.53 shipped from Sparco.com, who has the monitor in stock in Chicago, which is about 3 hours drive from me.
Should I go for it? This monitor seems like it will be all around awesome, and serve my gaming needs quite well.
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I have researched for 3-4 months and decided on two monitors. One I have and is going back, this is my other choice. Seems like best all around monitor.

About Spareco: "Refer Direct - Most of the items at Sparco.com come with a 30-Day Return Policy. However, this item has been flagged by the manufacturer as 'Refer Direct'. This simply means that the manufacturer would like to handle any and all issues regarding their products to ensure the integrity and value of their products. If you have any issues with these products, please contact the manufacturer directly for assistance. If you need any help contacting the manufacturer, please feel free to contact our customer service department."

Can you return the monitor for refund then? Hopefully HP will replace a monitor with a dead pixel even if its bought somewhere else. Anyone have anything to add?
 
scivian said:
Can you return the monitor for refund then? Hopefully HP will replace a monitor with a dead pixel even if its bought somewhere else. Anyone have anything to add?
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I assume if you push them hard enough you can return it.
 
Just a question for those that have this monitor: how does it compare to TN panel? Is it just subtle differences in image quality/viewing angle, or is it more pronounced than that? I'm ready to upgrade my Samsung 204b (20 inch) monitor and I'd like to get a monitor that will impress me in terms of image quality without killing the bank. Somebody mentioned earlier that it was the difference between knowing you're staring at a LCD and looking at a print or drawing. That sounds awesome if true. Otherwise, I may just save a little money and go with a Samsung T240 or something. Decisions, decisions.
 
Nephrinn said:
Just a question for those that have this monitor: how does it compare to TN panel? Is it just subtle differences in image quality/viewing angle, or is it more pronounced than that? I'm ready to upgrade my Samsung 204b (20 inch) monitor and I'd like to get a monitor that will impress me in terms of image quality without killing the bank. Somebody mentioned earlier that it was the difference between knowing you're staring at a LCD and looking at a print or drawing. That sounds awesome if true. Otherwise, I may just save a little money and go with a Samsung T240 or something. Decisions, decisions.
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im in the same boat, looking forward to hearing an answer to this one.
 
Just got mine after missing FedEx yesterday :D

This monitor is flawless*. Default brightness was insane so I dropped it down into the teens, colors are extremely vivid which I like**, uniformity is excellent by eye, black levels are great for an LCD, no discernible backlight bleeding, viewing angles are insane, input lag is decent, anti-glare coating is very mild with no speckling, no noise coming out of it unless I shove my ear right up against the back. The stand is fully functional and no uglier than any other, plus it has a built-in pen holder or something.

It passes all the tests on Lagom by far, even better than my old CRT did :eek: It has a white glow at acute angles so definitley no A-TW, but the H-IPS is an improvement over S-IPS purple tinting. I have to hook up some things to test out the scaling and overscan/cropping on analog inputs but I can't imagine it's any worse than what a tube TV does. Don't own a colorimeter to test anything like that, and my digital camera is out for repair so no good images, but feel free to ask any questions. It has FW GIG 032, not 031, if anybody figured out the difference yet.

*Unfortunately it has an entire pixel that's dead black, doesn't matter what color the pixel is supposed to be. I'm going to call HP tomorrow and see if they honor their policy, and whether they'll pay for shipping and whatnot. I've tried massaging it and running a pixel fixer, doesn't seem to be going away. Because of the small dot pitch and it being off in the upper right corner I could live with it if I absolutely have to.

**Stop harping on wide gamut as an intolerable negative. If you know what you're getting into and enjoy vivid colors it's great. If you have programs that can make proper use of it it's even better. I fully expect more software to be color aware in the coming months with the increased penetrance we're seeing, it's all about implementation and one market catching up to another.
Mithent said:
They should, but do note that HP accept up to 5 dead pixels (provided this is the current version):
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c00288895&lang=en
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5 dead subpixels (or just 3 stuck), no entire pixel defects (all 3 subpixels) are allowed.
Nephrinn said:
Just a question for those that have this monitor: how does it compare to TN panel? Is it just subtle differences in image quality/viewing angle, or is it more pronounced than that? Somebody mentioned earlier that it was the difference between knowing you're staring at a LCD and looking at a print or drawing.
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There is no comparison, TN is horrible. IPS monitors do not lie when they advertise 170°, you can seriously look at it from any angle and clearly make out what's there with accurate colors. See these images for an example (anybody has a link to the original?). I'd compare it to a printout if you put the paper on a backlight too, IPS is seriously that good.
rgazaway said:
This unit, has a 350k color temp delta between about three inches off the left side versus about three inches off the right side. This is enough so that when reading a web page and scanning/reading from the left/beginning of a line to the right/end of the line I'm constantly assaulted with green/pink white point shifts.

Also, there is a faint vertical bar of about 60 pixels about 25% in from the right side which is lighter/brighter.
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I can maaaybe see the green->pink shift if I go out of my way to sit too close and hunt it down on solid white backgrounds, if it's that incredibly obvious I'd say yours is defective. Also no vertical bar at any brightness.
 
Nephrinn said:
Just a question for those that have this monitor: how does it compare to TN panel? Is it just subtle differences in image quality/viewing angle, or is it more pronounced than that?
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TN has the worst image quality and viewing angles.
VA is between TN and IPS.
IPS is on top in that regard.
H-IPS A-TW is on top of the top.

TN is two levels below IPS. There is no comparison.
 
rgazaway said:
$15. And absolutely no hassle at all. They stated they'll provide a UPS sticker and I'll need to call UPS for a pickup. Customer service was so good that I won't hesitate buying direct from HP again in the future.

I decided to return rather than replace mine because at least two other people on this thread have noted the same problem which I find unacceptable. And the TFT Central review also documents an unacceptable (to me) level of non-uniformity across the panel. So, I'm assuming either that it is inherent to the design or far too many out of 'spec' units are allowed to pass QA.

Possibly I could have attempted a "swapping until happy" sequence. But I'm more willing to spend money than hassle. In fact, I would consider buying the LP2480zx if it did not have a fan.
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May i ask about this level of non-uniformity ? How do i test for that ? And is this related to how well calibration works ? :confused:
 
HotdogStorm said:
**Stop harping on wide gamut as an intolerable negative. If you know what you're getting into and enjoy vivid colors it's great.
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hp2475wgissuepc6.jpg
 
irontony said:
Im a Mac user and had owned the Dell 2408WFP for a week but had to return it for a full refund due to rev00 issues of bad sharpness controls & green/pink tint. Also the PVA contrast shift was very frustrating and more frustrating was the wide gamut. Reds and Greens were Neon cartoonish. Yes admitantly I didn't have a calibrator but honestly web browsing was a joke on that monitor.

When The HP LP2475 was announced I was so excited, IPS panel, PIP etc etc but oh no it has wide gamut! I only have available to me either the spyder2express or spyder3. The latter one is over my price range - Im not pro so pro results don't matter however do calibrators do ok with wide gamut screens?

Im so close to purchasing this screen as I cant live with the Apple Cinema's "sparkle" matte screens of the 23" and 30"
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I'm happy with LP2475 connected to my Mac. The colors are little more vibrant, but not neon. The texts are nice and sharp. I think you'll be happy with it too.
 
The HP 2475w has little less aggressive wide gamut issue than the Dell 2408.
 
albovin said:
hp2475wgissuepc6.jpg
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Please don't scare people from buying the monitor with those images. My monitor is not even calibrated and looks nothing remotely close to the red saturated pictures.

If my monitor can see the natural skin tone of the standard Gamut images above. What does it say about my LP2475? :)
 
Ein said:
Please don't scare people from buying the monitor with those images. My monitor is not even calibrated and looks nothing remotely close to the red saturated pictures.

If my monitor can see the natural skin tone of the standard Gamut images above. What does it say about my LP2475? :)
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Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and post pics of your own monitor discrediting this supposed wide gamut exageration that you're proposing.
 
Ein said:
What does it say about my LP2475? :)
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It says that when you put two monitors next to each other (as on those photos), you'll see the difference.
Nothing surprising.
I don't scare people. As I've said, I like this monitor. It has it's own pros and cons. One of it's cons is WG.
 
isnt the HP L2445W an TN panel instead of an ips, if you take a look at the specs you see the angles are 160 degrees.
 
i hate to break it to you guys, but prepare yourself for all future PVA/IPS panels to go wide gammut...
 
Thanks for all the info albovin, I enjoyed your review on the tft forum, Ill take all the info I can get. I know you used a calibrator for the comparison but reasonable people can certainly disagree about many things. The wide gamut photo doesn't reflect my experience with wide gamut either.

To verify, I just put my 92% wide gamut next to a 72% standard gamut in clone mode with a calibration picture full of people and colors, others should keep in mind that the 2475 is 102%. As expected wide gamut has a subtle vibrant edge to the other. I also put the comparison image above on both monitors. The 92% monitor had less of the vibrant red on the standard gamut picture than the 72% monitor had on the wide gamut picture. The standard gamut picture appeared realistic on both monitors. I am a novice when it comes to color management and don't do any photo work. I also prefer a slightly vibrant picture so I am biased in those respects.

-I would take a picture if I had a camera.
 
Ein said:
I'm happy with LP2475 connected to my Mac. The colors are little more vibrant, but not neon. The texts are nice and sharp. I think you'll be happy with it too.
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I went back to the Apple store and sat down with the 23" Cinema displays and decided for sure that I could not live with their "sparkle matte" screen. I've now ordered my LP2475, will be available friday afternoon or saturday morning.
 
How many people here with this monitor use it for gaming? Overall does it seem acceptable for gaming?
 
I have had this monitor now about a week and I have few problems. I have the brightness issue that few have reported, left side of the screen is darker than the right side, best seen at white background, but I only have the green tint on the left side, I can't see any pink on the right. I also have lots of stuck pixels (or sub-pixels), which can disappear, but I see new ones appearing all the time. On a white background I can see something that looks like a black dirt on my screen, I think those might be contaminants which I read from HP's pixel policy? So my monitor seems to be a really bad unit or are these normal to this monitor? Should I return this and get a new one? Also anti-alised text looks really annoying because of the red edges. On my monitor those are really easy to see. How is it in your monitor?

After all I really like this monitor and I hope this is just a really bad unit and I can get a new "good one".
 
tmh said:
I have had this monitor now about a week and I have few problems. I have the brightness issue that few have reported, left side of the screen is darker than the right side, best seen at white background, but I only have the green tint on the left side, I can't see any pink on the right. I also have lots of stuck pixels (or sub-pixels), which can disappear, but I see new ones appearing all the time. On a white background I can see something that looks like a black dirt on my screen, I think those might be contaminants which I read from HP's pixel policy? So my monitor seems to be a really bad unit or are these normal to this monitor? Should I return this and get a new one? Also anti-alised text looks really annoying because of the red edges. On my monitor those are really easy to see. How is it in your monitor?

After all I really like this monitor and I hope this is just a really bad unit and I can get a new "good one".
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return it, sounds like you just got a duff unit (it happens).
 
albovin said:
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OK, how does that exaggerated sample refute my claim that if you like vivid colors it's good? Are you saying you can dictate what I do and don't like? It's especially funny because in Firefox 3 with color management enabled it looks exactly the same as on my 15", and even without my experience more matches scivian's. Not to mention that when the entire screen is displaying colors at the same level your brain will reinterpret what it sees to reduce the effect, so even when this is an issue in non-managed apps or inputs from a console/DVD player it shouldn't stand out unless you focus on it and do side by sides.
idream said:
i hate to break it to you guys, but prepare yourself for all future PVA/IPS panels to go wide gammut...
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TN's are tending there too, there's no avoiding it now. This will only push the software market to handle it better.
WhiteZero said:
How many people here with this monitor use it for gaming? Overall does it seem acceptable for gaming?
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It's good enough for me, but I'm no 2ms TN wackjob. I can certainly feel that it's behind where it should be but 10-40ms range with 18-25 average is better than 30-60+. If this is your number one concern there are other IPS models with lower average input lag, though the Hazros aren't avaialble in the US.
tmh said:
So my monitor seems to be a really bad unit or are these normal to this monitor? Should I return this and get a new one? Also anti-alised text looks really annoying because of the red edges. On my monitor those are really easy to see. How is it in your monitor?
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That unit sounds very defective, definitely look into getting a replacement. If you're referring to ClearType, I see no red edges unless I press my face against the screen to see subpixels.
 
HotdogStorm said:
If this is your number one concern there are other IPS models with lower average input lag, though the Hazros aren't avaialble in the US.
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The 24" Hazro actually has slightly higher input lag, you need to go to the 26" or 30" models for 16 and 7ms respectively.
 
HotdogStorm said:
It's good enough for me, but I'm no 2ms TN wackjob. I can certainly feel that it's behind where it should be but 10-40ms range with 18-25 average is better than 30-60+. If this is your number one concern there are other IPS models with lower average input lag, though the Hazros aren't avaialble in the US.
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Well, from what I can see, it's better on Input Lag and Responce Time than my current aging Samsung 215TW, which doesn't really bother me much currently. When I calibrate Rock Band it says it's compensating for about 40-60ms, I think.

I think I'm going to keep considering this monitor through the weekend and order Monday if nothing persuades me otherwise.
 
Inq said:
The wide gamut is a non-issue IMO. At least in regard with movie playback. Just use Media Player Home Cinema and modify the color space with a custom shader.
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Wouldn't that be equivalent to tweaking with the "Color / Custom color controls" item in OSD? Will this conveniently solve the issue?
 
No, the shader code actually does an aRGB to sRGB conversion using the graphics card. No matter how much you play with the color controls you ain't gonna get that.
 
Is it possible to get accurate colors with ATI's catalyst control center? I can adjust gamma curves, saturation and hue.
 
Update on direct buy from HP: Ive never been so impressed by customer service. Every time Ive called to clarify and ask questions a friendly and helpful woman has answered. I paid for two day shipping but had not had any tracking info thus far, so I called HP and a representative found that the warehouse my monitor was being shipped from was back-ordered so she changed to a warehouse with stock and upgraded to overnight delivery without me asking.

WhiteZero, the reason Im so adamant about a great return policy is that there is only so much specs will help with. Obviously their are trade offs, I'm into fast paced simulators, response and lag are important to me. I believe this will be just fine from what Ive read. After that only personal direct contact and a thorough testing period will do.

On the return policy discrepancy: I asked 3 representatives and a supervisor and they said 15$ not 15% as stated on website. I came across another discrepancy, apparently most HP products have 1 year warranty, this monitor comes with 3, as stated on website.
 
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