The 24" NEC is made for the US market, the 26" for the EU market. I can't find a retailer at all in Germany for the 24" model, just the 26". Of course that does not mean that it's impossible to get one. One reatailer offerd me to get the 24" model for some additional cost, ironicly it would be only around 50 cheaper tha the 26" model.
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I am a little confused on the two different models of the NEC 2690, one with -SV and one without. I know the -SV includes the Spectraview II calibration, is that just a software package or is there a hardware/firmware difference between the 2690 and 2690-SV? So if someone gets the "non" -SV model, could they purchase the Spectraview package separately and have the same thing as the -SV model?
Thanks - very confusing...
Thanks - very confusing...
Bought separately, SV software and colorimeter cost quite a bit more. Some people who already own colorimeters have opted to buy the software separately.
Hey guys. I've read a lot of info in this thread about using the 2690 with print work, but what about HD video editing? I'm looking for a monitor that with give me accurate color for color correction through Apple Color (yes! Said "color" three times in that sentence! 
) Would this wide gamut display be ok?
I also plan on using the Matrox MXO with this monitor. Does anyone have any experience with this device? Would it work well with a wide gamut monitor? Does it matter?
) Would this wide gamut display be ok?I also plan on using the Matrox MXO with this monitor. Does anyone have any experience with this device? Would it work well with a wide gamut monitor? Does it matter?
Hey guys. I've read a lot of info in this thread about using the 2690 with print work, but what about HD video editing? I'm looking for a monitor that with give me accurate color for color correction through Apple Color (yes! Said "color" three times in that sentence!
I also plan on using the Matrox MXO with this monitor. Does anyone have any experience with this device? Would it work well with a wide gamut monitor? Does it matter?
I think it all comes down to what colorspace you are working in. In print media, the two most common colorspaces are sRGB and aRGB, with aRGB having a significantly wider gamut in the range of colors....thus necessitating the wide gamut monitor.
I've never really dabbled with HD video, so I can't answer this question...but I bet you could compare whatever space you shoot in to aRGB/sRGB and come up with your answer.
Hi,
I just got a Nec LCD2490WUXI-BK-SV and when I put a solid color background, I can see that the right side is a bit darker than the left side. If I take the Eye-One 2 and I calculate the luminance accross the display I can see between 5 to 11 % difference from one side to the other side and always brighter in the center too.
What is the tolerance for a good monitor like this one ? Is it a better test to verify the backlight ? And I know usually, they will send you a refurbish display, so I don't want and I won't accept to receive a worse one or I will prefer to return it. Apart from this problem, the colors are beautiful.
I just got a Nec LCD2490WUXI-BK-SV and when I put a solid color background, I can see that the right side is a bit darker than the left side. If I take the Eye-One 2 and I calculate the luminance accross the display I can see between 5 to 11 % difference from one side to the other side and always brighter in the center too.
What is the tolerance for a good monitor like this one ? Is it a better test to verify the backlight ? And I know usually, they will send you a refurbish display, so I don't want and I won't accept to receive a worse one or I will prefer to return it. Apart from this problem, the colors are beautiful.
I just did some reading/testing and by using ColorComp level 3, i was able to get a very uniform display.
"Certain variations in homogeneity and slight differences in colour are generally typical for LCD monitors in the consumer sector and the values measured on the LCD2690WUXi , with an average deviation of nine percent, are generally not visible. The maximum deviation is in the top right corner, at 23 percent.
The LCD2690WUXis highly interesting ColorComp function should be used in this context according to the manufacturer; this feature is used to electronically balance colour and luminescence. We tested ColorComp by repeating the homogeneity measurements.
Amazing! When ColorComp is activated, deviations in homogeneity vanish almost into thin air.
The average deviation from the guide value was now a mere 1.3 (!) percent and even the maximum deviation of four percent is hardly worth mentioning. A typical side effect when ColorComp is activated is the overall reduction in luminosity." (Prad review)
I had almost the same result by using ColorComp and I find the display brightness to high, so using ColorComp seem a good way to get thing better. : )
"Certain variations in homogeneity and slight differences in colour are generally typical for LCD monitors in the consumer sector and the values measured on the LCD2690WUXi , with an average deviation of nine percent, are generally not visible. The maximum deviation is in the top right corner, at 23 percent.
The LCD2690WUXis highly interesting ColorComp function should be used in this context according to the manufacturer; this feature is used to electronically balance colour and luminescence. We tested ColorComp by repeating the homogeneity measurements.
Amazing! When ColorComp is activated, deviations in homogeneity vanish almost into thin air.
The average deviation from the guide value was now a mere 1.3 (!) percent and even the maximum deviation of four percent is hardly worth mentioning. A typical side effect when ColorComp is activated is the overall reduction in luminosity." (Prad review)
I had almost the same result by using ColorComp and I find the display brightness to high, so using ColorComp seem a good way to get thing better. : )
are you using the 2490 or 2690? your posts seem to conflict one another.
I have just received the NEC 2690 lcd monitor today, ordered from overclockers uk..., but I experience 3 problems:
1. It is making buzzing noise when the lcd is on..., very annoying. I can hear it clearly when sitting in front of monitor.
2. I can see some faint horizontal lines on the top left and right side against the black background.
3. The backlight bleeding is worse than most lcds I have seen, you can check the image here:
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nec2690ks1.jpg
I took this photo during daylight and I can still see it is bleeding badly... like a thick black cross in the middle.
r those 2 problems back again, I thought NEC has fixed them...
my lcd is made in feb 08 so it is pretty new and serial is begin with 821***.
will try to get replacement with NEC or overclockers.
1. It is making buzzing noise when the lcd is on..., very annoying. I can hear it clearly when sitting in front of monitor.
2. I can see some faint horizontal lines on the top left and right side against the black background.
3. The backlight bleeding is worse than most lcds I have seen, you can check the image here:
http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nec2690ks1.jpg
I took this photo during daylight and I can still see it is bleeding badly... like a thick black cross in the middle.
r those 2 problems back again, I thought NEC has fixed them...
my lcd is made in feb 08 so it is pretty new and serial is begin with 821***.
will try to get replacement with NEC or overclockers.
Sorry to see you have problems with your new screen , I was going to order one of those from overclockers too but im a bit worried about their RMA proceedure (ive seen a few forum posts complaining about them).
Hope you get it all sorted, maybe it was just a one off.
I like you thought all the NEC problems would have been corrected by now.
Can you keep us informed of the outcome. .
thanks
, I was going to order one of those from overclockers too but im a bit worried about their RMA proceedure (ive seen a few forum posts complaining about them).Hope you get it all sorted, maybe it was just a one off.
I like you thought all the NEC problems would have been corrected by now.
Can you keep us informed of the outcome. .
thanks
Hardware LUT calibration problems
Activating Hardware LUT calibration.
It used to be that you could do this in the Advanced Menu, under Tag E, by pressing Select + Down. However, recent versions of the monitor (2008) can no longer be unlocked in this manner.
Does anyone know how to do it in the newer models( european 2008)?
Activating Hardware LUT calibration.
It used to be that you could do this in the Advanced Menu, under Tag E, by pressing Select + Down. However, recent versions of the monitor (2008) can no longer be unlocked in this manner.
Does anyone know how to do it in the newer models( european 2008)?
Good question, because I'm looking to try mine with the Matrox MXO too. Someone from a good video shop here in Montreal, told me that they work really good together. The results are very close to high end color correcting display they have.
That's a relief the hear, Shadow669. When are you going to hook yours up?
And do your friends use the narrow gamut 2490 or the wide gamut 2690 with the MXO? I've been trying to pull out of Matrox as to whether or not it matters. If you calibrate your LCD using the MXO controls, can't you effectively turn the 2690 into a proper sRGB display?
And do your friends use the narrow gamut 2490 or the wide gamut 2690 with the MXO? I've been trying to pull out of Matrox as to whether or not it matters. If you calibrate your LCD using the MXO controls, can't you effectively turn the 2690 into a proper sRGB display?
Hardware LUT calibration problems
Activating Hardware LUT calibration.
It used to be that you could do this in the Advanced Menu, under Tag E, by pressing Select + Down. However, recent versions of the monitor (2008) can no longer be unlocked in this manner.
Does anyone know how to do it in the newer models( european 2008)?
What you call "Activating Hardware LUT calibration" is just a combination of numerous OSD controls settings.
This feature helps set everything to recommended for professional calibration positions (they are not mandatory) automatically so that you are not lost between Tags.
For example, it turns autobrightness OFF, autoluminance ON, gamma selection to PRG, color control to P, colorcomp to ON. Hope I did not forget anything important... Nothing more.
You can do so manually: open Tags and set them.
Even if you do nothing but start calibration process, SpectraView software itself will turn at least gamma selection to PRG and color control to P. Then while calibration is going on, you will see report like "updating monitor internal LUT". This is what you want.
So LUT is not locked. Just use appropriate calibration kit.
Try it.
Hi Albovin. thanks for the info
but if the Hardware calibration is not activated in the advanced menu, Lut calibration will be done through the videocard ( 8 bit) and not through the monitors hardware LUT. Im using a Greytag Eyeone device. On the European version of the lcd2090 you have to turn the spectraview function on manually. It used to be easy, but now NEC has changed it.There is no "activator" in the advanced menu.
Do you mean this or anything else?
If you mean this - it is not an activator - just OSD settings. If you have something different it would be interesting to see a photo of it.
Here is what I did 10 minutes ago.
For demonstration purpose I returned the monitor (2490WUXi) to factory defaults.
Then I did not touch anything but SpectraView button.
Calibration started, reported about monitor's LUT being updated and finished.
In this picture you can see photos of OSD before and after. LUT is calibrated.
OSD changed automatically. I did not change anything. No need to activate hardware calibration - it's always ready.
This is an "american" NEC. But I have no idea why "european" NECs should be different from this.
P.S. Actually to be precise, 2190/2490/2690 have a combination of Hardware and Software calibration. Pure "Hardware calibration only" will be available for the NEC 3090WQXi with a colorimeter connected directly with the monitor - "Stand Alone Calibration" with a PC not involved at all.
HI
There is no "activator" in the advanced menu.
Do you mean this or anything else?
Yes this menu I'm talking about. It doesnt exist. I cant turn it on since Nec has changed the menu in the new versions of the Nec LCD2609, Im looking for the right way to "find" the menu.
There is no "activator" in the advanced menu.
Do you mean this or anything else?
Yes this menu I'm talking about. It doesnt exist. I cant turn it on since Nec has changed the menu in the new versions of the Nec LCD2609, Im looking for the right way to "find" the menu.
Hi Pentent, If you want to do color correction for broadcast quality video, the 2490 seem the one to get for a proper sRGB display. I should have a matrox in a short time.
Namorismo, I have tried to use the monitor for 2 days (didn't want to get a refurbish replacement and I want to see if I can get used to the buzzing noise...), unfortunately it is too still noise although backlight has improved a bit...so I have RMA back to overclockers and get refund as NEC tech said it is classified as DOA.
I am still waiting to hear back from overclockers abt refund...
I am still waiting to hear back from overclockers abt refund...
I asked Matrox about using the MXO with the 2690 vs the 2490. Got this reply today:
"It doesn't really matter whether the monitor in question is narrow or wide RGB, the MXO with it's calibration utility can be used to show the entire colour space on a DVI monitor.
What I mean is that with Narrow, 16-235, the MXO will expand that monitor to include 0-15 and 236-255, offering the editor super whites and super blacks. With the Wide RGB monitors, this color space is already viewable. Loading a LUT, and following the calibration, the MXO will provide the expected results on both monitors."
Interesting. So according to Matrox, a wide gamut LCD is not a hinderance for HD video when using the MXO. The 2690 would be fine.
Ah well. I still love my 2490. Other than a little backlight bleed near the OSD controls in the corner, it's perfect. I haven't bought the MXO yet, so I'm looking forward to what you have to say, Shadow.
"It doesn't really matter whether the monitor in question is narrow or wide RGB, the MXO with it's calibration utility can be used to show the entire colour space on a DVI monitor.
What I mean is that with Narrow, 16-235, the MXO will expand that monitor to include 0-15 and 236-255, offering the editor super whites and super blacks. With the Wide RGB monitors, this color space is already viewable. Loading a LUT, and following the calibration, the MXO will provide the expected results on both monitors."
Interesting. So according to Matrox, a wide gamut LCD is not a hinderance for HD video when using the MXO. The 2690 would be fine.
Ah well. I still love my 2490. Other than a little backlight bleed near the OSD controls in the corner, it's perfect. I haven't bought the MXO yet, so I'm looking forward to what you have to say, Shadow.
One of the main reasons the monitor costs so much is that it is so accurate. That accuracy depends on calibration though, so I think paying for such an expensive monitor and not spending the extra dollars on the calibration puck is just crazy.
You don't have to wait on your seller to get the SV version....you can order the SV kit (puck and software) or just the software, allowing you to pick your own puck, all straight from the NEC website.
I recieved my 2690 today and am a bit dissapointed. She has noticable backlight bleeding at the top right corner and above the blue led on the front panel. Will calibration of any kind correct this problem?
From a performance perspective, I see no ghosting, or blurring. It seems lag free.
Raz
From a performance perspective, I see no ghosting, or blurring. It seems lag free.
Raz
Did you try enabling ColorComp? I don't have this monitor but it's supposed to help with brightness uniformity issues.
Thanks for that. I realize that the monitor will clearly be more accurate after you calibrate it. My question is how much more accurate: 5% ? 10%, i'v read that some monitor's colors are quite good out of the box.
I don't know that expressing it as any kind of percentage would really be meaningful. Basically what you can get some information on is using the DeltaE scale. That is a method of describing how far apart (mathematically) two colours are. As applied to monitor calibration, you use it to describe how far a colour is from it's ideal. So in the default state, BeHardware found most of the colours to be between 4-10 (except for greys which were below 2). Calibrated everything was below 2, most of it below 1.
So what's that mean? Well most people can notice a change of 5 Delta-E or more in just about any case. Trained observers can do better, and even casual observers can see changes at little as .5 Delta-E in some cases (depends on the colours being compared).
So that means in an uncalibrated state, you could potentially notice the difference between a colour and it's ideal. Once calibrated, the colours on the screen are close enough that you can't tell they aren't correct.
So would this matter if you aren't actually comparing the screen to something like a printout? I don't know. I haven't seen one, so I'm not sure how internally consistent the colours are. After all, even if they are all off, if they are all off the same way it'll all look good.
I do know that calibration can be noticeable. I have a BenQ FP241W and I calibrate it and notice a decent improvement. The white looks a bit more neutral (it is a little red by default) and such. However, it isn't as good a panel, so who know's how it compares to the NEC?
Basically if you are worried about external accuracy, as in the picture on the screen matching a print out, or a colour sample then you definitely want to calibrate it as without calibration the colours could be noticeable different from ideal. If not, well then I can't say. Calibration certainly wouldn't hurt it, but then it might not be something that you really notice.
Also if you mean you are having a hard time finding the SV in stock, well then don't worry because you can't. It is special order. Just find a place that sells it, they'll then place the order with NEC for you who will actually ship it to you.
So what's that mean? Well most people can notice a change of 5 Delta-E or more in just about any case. Trained observers can do better, and even casual observers can see changes at little as .5 Delta-E in some cases (depends on the colours being compared).
So that means in an uncalibrated state, you could potentially notice the difference between a colour and it's ideal. Once calibrated, the colours on the screen are close enough that you can't tell they aren't correct.
So would this matter if you aren't actually comparing the screen to something like a printout? I don't know. I haven't seen one, so I'm not sure how internally consistent the colours are. After all, even if they are all off, if they are all off the same way it'll all look good.
I do know that calibration can be noticeable. I have a BenQ FP241W and I calibrate it and notice a decent improvement. The white looks a bit more neutral (it is a little red by default) and such. However, it isn't as good a panel, so who know's how it compares to the NEC?
Basically if you are worried about external accuracy, as in the picture on the screen matching a print out, or a colour sample then you definitely want to calibrate it as without calibration the colours could be noticeable different from ideal. If not, well then I can't say. Calibration certainly wouldn't hurt it, but then it might not be something that you really notice.
Also if you mean you are having a hard time finding the SV in stock, well then don't worry because you can't. It is special order. Just find a place that sells it, they'll then place the order with NEC for you who will actually ship it to you.
I'll give the colorcomp option a go tonight, thanks.
Guys,
Can anyone suggest a quality color meter and corresponding software. I'm now wishing I purshased the SV version. Currently, my color accuracy is horrendous! Currently, my Planar PX2611W looks far better.
Raz
Guys,
Can anyone suggest a quality color meter and corresponding software. I'm now wishing I purshased the SV version. Currently, my color accuracy is horrendous! Currently, my Planar PX2611W looks far better.
Raz