Paramount To Dump HD DVD Too?

Lazy_Moron said:
Sony doesnt own Blu-Ray, you just see there name on most of the players:p Blu-Ray is a consortium and Sony is just a big player in this consortium.
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Trust me, their hands are going to be reaching into your pocket.
 
I'm not buying an HD-DVD or a Blu-Ray player for one simple reason.

I don't have an HD TV. nor do I plan on getting one.

LCD and PLASMA SUCK.

There I said it. I don't care how much "better" they have gotten they still suck. wake me up when 42" OLED, or SED TV's are under $2,000
 
What a waste of an article...

"Paramount is poised to drop its support of HD-DVD"; "However, Paramount, which is owned by Viacom, is understood to have a clause in its contract with the HD-DVD camp that would allow it to switch sides in the event of Warner backing Blu-ray, according to people familiar with the situation."

So what if it has a clause in its contact saying it can back out? Thats just common curtosy, and doesnt mean they will. Thats like saying AMD will back out of the CPU business because they have the choice to do so, doesnt mean they will just because someone points it out.

The original article sounds like it has an agenda to try and tip the "balance" through fanciful "what ifs".

This is a disgrace to HardOcp to even bother with...

Speculation and rumour can turn people's opinion to this person's agenda if he paints a pretty enough picture and people are acting ignorant enough to buy it. You are playing into his/her hands, and have become a tool for his/her uses; please avoid such nonsense in the future.

We all hope and pray that its the merits for the consumer that will drive the format decision! Despite whatever picture people paint you for their own supposed benefiet or self-justification, never forget that despite the current situation, you can still vote with your pockets as to who may win.

Thanks
 
Myg said:
What a waste of an article...

"Paramount is poised to drop its support of HD-DVD"; "However, Paramount, which is owned by Viacom, is understood to have a clause in its contract with the HD-DVD camp that would allow it to switch sides in the event of Warner backing Blu-ray, according to people familiar with the situation."

So what if it has a clause in its contact saying it can back out? Thats just common curtosy, and doesnt mean they will. Thats like saying AMD will back out of the CPU business because they have the choice to do so, doesnt mean they will just because someone points it out.

The original article sounds like it has an agenda to try and tip the "balance" through fanciful "what ifs".

This is a disgrace to HardOcp to even bother with...

Speculation and rumour can turn people's opinion to this person's agenda if he paints a pretty enough picture and people are acting ignorant enough to buy it. You are playing into his/her hands, and have become a tool for his/her uses; please avoid such nonsense in the future.

We all hope and pray that its the merits for the consumer that will drive the format decision! Despite whatever picture people paint you for their own supposed benefiet or self-justification, never forget that despite the current situation, you can still vote with your pockets as to who may win.

Thanks
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I would like to point out that speculations from the [H] people have rarely been wrong.

What's with people telling Steve that he's a disgrace to HardOCP these days? He and Kyle ARE HardOCP.
 
Myg said:
What a waste of an article...

"Paramount is poised to drop its support of HD-DVD"; "However, Paramount, which is owned by Viacom, is understood to have a clause in its contract with the HD-DVD camp that would allow it to switch sides in the event of Warner backing Blu-ray, according to people familiar with the situation."

So what if it has a clause in its contact saying it can back out? Thats just common curtosy, and doesnt mean they will. Thats like saying AMD will back out of the CPU business because they have the choice to do so, doesnt mean they will just because someone points it out.

The original article sounds like it has an agenda to try and tip the "balance" through fanciful "what ifs".

This is a disgrace to HardOcp to even bother with...

Speculation and rumour can turn people's opinion to this person's agenda if he paints a pretty enough picture and people are acting ignorant enough to buy it. You are playing into his/her hands, and have become a tool for his/her uses; please avoid such nonsense in the future.

We all hope and pray that its the merits for the consumer that will drive the format decision! Despite whatever picture people paint you for their own supposed benefiet or self-justification, never forget that despite the current situation, you can still vote with your pockets as to who may win.

Thanks
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It's the Financial Times reporting here not "The Inquirer".
 
Indeed, I would say it so because greed generally isnt that hard to predict...

Despite! HardOcp has always held an honourable purpose in my eyes, and if it has lost that so quickly in this world and has started to serve idle agendas of corporations it is trying to protect us from; It would be a very sad thing to behold and worthy of much disgust.
 
'It's the Financial Times reporting here not "The Inquirer". '

Indeed, and to what vow or promise of good conduct are both bound?
 
Blauman said:
I personally bought into HD DVD, not because of a Sony hatred but because I personally felt it gave me the best experience and was a cheaper buy in, seeing as how I use the xbox 360 add on drive. The one thing that torques me about Blu Ray though is the lack of a final spec; HD DVD from day one was finalized. Even if BR wins, which it is looking like it will, I will continue to buy HD DVD as long as I can and just use that. In all honesty regular DVD's are still very viable and BR winning just means they have won the battle not the "War" as everyone is calling it. The "War" IMO is with DVD and the general public accepting one of the victorious formats. I don't really know if if either would really supplant DVD in the long run but rather be a stop gap for something else to come in the near future. The next year will be an interesting one for whom ever comes out the victor of this debacle.
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Same reason I was rooting for HD DVD. Day 1 everything seemed more smooth and pictures looked great. Blu-ray still is finalizing specs. I owned the 360 add on first, got a PS3, sold the add on since I got an A2 as a gift.

Still hoping for some miracle, but if HD DVD truly bites the dust, hoping that Blu-ray follows suit due to digital distribution (Netflix top box. Blockbuster sure to get in the action. Directtv and digital cable already, xboxlive).
 
Steve said:
I’m not sure about everyone else but, as an owner of both formats, I am hoping the prices come waaaay down before one of the two formats dies off or we’ll be stuck with the current price scheme (which sucks).
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I agree...although I supported HD DVD for a while, and have a laptop aka htpc w/ blu ray...I was really holding out before I endorsed more in either format
 
TechLarry said:
That's what really torque's me about this whole thing. It was not consumer choice.
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It absolutely was consumer choice. hd dvd didn't win a week of sales all of last year. Hd dvd isn't winning anywhere in the world. Stop crying people. You act pathetic.

As for pricing (the other incredibly stupid mantra around here)...prices fall with market acceptance, and having ONE format is key to that. HD is way ahead of where SD media was at the same point in its lifetime, so lighten up.
 
jaegertech said:
Or maybe they should have just released a product that the market wanted? There are a few primary reason that the market didn't decide and, even with a single format, most still apply.

1: Poor HD penetration in the US: The majority of US households STILL don't have HD capable TVs.
2: Benefit: Beyond the desires of a select few, what does HD media REALLY offer that standard DVDs don't? The image quality difference is obvious to anyone, but an upconverted DVD already looks pretty damned good.
3: Cost: This ties in with the above. You have to lay out $200+ for a new player and pay nearly twice as much for each movie. Even if the benefit was clear, that is still one hell of a premium to expect people to accept.
4: Choices: HDDVD vs Bluray reminds people of Betamax vs VHS. Nobody wants to get caught on the wrong side.

Looks like only one issue has been addressed and I don't expect the other three to be. I also expect Bluray adoption rates to muddle along the same as they've been, after accounting for the cannibalized HDDVD sales. Actually, let me revise that, I believe sales will actually SLOW overall, because HDDVD was closer to reaching an acceptable price than Bluray is or will be soon.
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Yet another one of the apparently blind people who cannot tell a difference in SD and HD. It rather amazes me. How about uncompressed audio as well champ? I sure as hell hope you don't have a high res computer monitor....
 
TechLarry said:
That's what really torque's me about this whole thing. It was not consumer choice.

But these days, it's getting harder and harder for us TO make the choice.
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i know others posted like this message its just the one i used to quote. you people and your excuses about why this has happened or who caused it, its pathetic, your brand lost and it was the peoples choice. It may have not have been the choice you made but thats your problem. Warner seen where the money was, just like the companies who have been making more money then the hd-dvd companies and haven't switched to hd-dvd. People choose bluray and thats where the money was at. Get over it!
 
MetalDwarf said:
I'm not buying an HD-DVD or a Blu-Ray player for one simple reason.

I don't have an HD TV. nor do I plan on getting one.

LCD and PLASMA SUCK.

There I said it. I don't care how much "better" they have gotten they still suck. wake me up when 42" OLED, or SED TV's are under $2,000
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Deviationer said:
More like never, how long as SED been touted? :rolleyes:
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Sony has a beautiful OLED 27" very thin screen that they are showing off at CES.
 
jmackay said:
Sony has a beautiful OLED 27" very thin screen that they are showing off at CES.
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oled is effectively being shelved due to cost constraints for a few years. On another note, Laser tv is definitely happening, and mitsubishi is showing a unit at ces, and promises retail units this coming fall.
 
Ethug said:
Yet another one of the apparently blind people who cannot tell a difference in SD and HD. It rather amazes me. How about uncompressed audio as well champ? I sure as hell hope you don't have a high res computer monitor....
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jaegertech said:
The image quality difference is obvious to anyone, but an upconverted DVD already looks pretty damned good.
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And again, so it sticks.

jaegertech said:
The image quality difference is obvious to anyone, but an upconverted DVD already looks pretty damned good.
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The critical part is before the comma, just in case you are having trouble figuring it out.

I'm aware of how good a proper 1080P signal looks. I've run them on my Westy 42W2 before and they look excellent; the 1080P version of the Top Gear Polar Special in particular is one I use to show off the capabilities of HD. Despite knowing, and liking, just how good HD can look, I don't think it is worth the current initial investment or content premiums.

I used to say whoever hit the $100 player and $15 movies first would win. I did not anticipate Blu-ray cornering the market with payola, but the statement still stands. People will buy in when they don't have to pay much of a premium to do so.
 
jaegertech said:
And again, so it sticks.



The critical part is before the comma, just in case you are having trouble figuring it out.

I'm aware of how good a proper 1080P signal looks. I've run them on my Westy 42W2 before and they look excellent; the 1080P version of the Top Gear Polar Special in particular is one I use to show off the capabilities of HD. Despite knowing, and liking, just how good HD can look, I don't think it is worth the current initial investment or content premiums.

I used to say whoever hit the $100 player and $15 movies first would win. I did not anticipate Blu-ray cornering the market with payola, but the statement still stands. People will buy in when they don't have to pay much of a premium to do so.
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Warner has very actively denied it received any payment, and even if it did, SO WHAT? What the hell do you think hd dvd did with Paramount??

Good thing the market doesn't hinge on what you think. How many movies do you actually have? Can you show me picture of your own rack full of dvds with your name on it, or are you one of those people who complain and talk and don't even buy movies?
 
whoohooo!

A region locked, DRM'd to the gills format with less features and a poor user experince compared to HD DVD! And higher priced players to boot!!!

Truely a banner victory for the consumer all around!
 
Ethug said:
oled is effectively being shelved due to cost constraints for a few years. On another note, Laser tv is definitely happening, and mitsubishi is showing a unit at ces, and promises retail units this coming fall.
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Sony is doing OLED, so its not shelved :p
 
charpman said:
whoohooo!

A region locked, DRM'd to the gills format with less features and a poor user experince compared to HD DVD! And higher priced players to boot!!!

Truely a banner victory for the consumer all around!
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Lets put the Region thing to rest right now:
Bluray is far less region locked than dvd was. There are only 3 regions for Blu, and North America is in the same region with the primary Asian countries.

For reference:
Region A-
North America, Central America, South America, Japan, Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Southeast Asia.

The only region most people care about importing from are the included Asian countries, so stop talking about it already.

FYI: SD DVD is region locked and has copy protection in the form of AACS, Bluray is not much different, and is a simple evolution.

Sony provided these protections because the movie studios asked for them, this is reflected in the number of studios that supported Bluray outright over hd dvd.

Here'd the kicker:
If HD DVD were SO damn great, why couldn't it win even one weeks worth of software sales in the US in all of 2007? Why did standalone bluray players (excluding PS3) outsell hd dvd standalones in december? Why isn't hd dvd winning in at least ONE market in the entire world?

Cry more.
 
Sucks to see hd-dvd die... blu-ray blows, just got a bran new samsung bd-up5000 and it can't play resident evil extinction; Have to wait for a firmware update, freeken blows. :mad:
 
jmackay said:
Sony is doing OLED, so its not shelved :p
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Sony will reach the same conclusions Toshiba has regarding oled and it will be a long slow road to meaningful product. The 11inch that Sony has out is like $2500. Theres no market for that.
 
vxspiritxv said:
Sucks to see hd-dvd die... blu-ray blows, just got a bran new samsung bd-up5000 and it can't play resident evil extinction; Have to wait for a firmware update, freeken blows. :mad:
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There are firmware updates on hd dvd as well. Sorry thats just the way it works :\
 
Ethug said:
Sony will reach the same conclusions Toshiba has regarding oled and it will be a long slow road to meaningful product. The 11inch that Sony has out is like $2500. Theres no market for that.
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Back of seats in planes/cars? ;D
 
Man, the issue must be digging into you really deep. Settle down before you get an ulcer. :p
 
BTW: I want to get this out as it bothers me tremendously-

I see all these people bitching about DRM, and then I'll see some of these same people talking about how great digital distribution will be.

Are you out of your freaking minds?

If you want drm shoved down your throat, and restrictions galore then you can go ahead and cheer digital distribution on. I'm sorry, but I will always take having physical media over digital distribtion crap any day.

Not ONLY will digital dist. suffer from excessive drm, an array of inconveniences etc, but its just not going to be as good a product as media will be. Theres no way you're going to be downloading 50gigs worth of content, You won't be able to compete with a 50gig bluray with uncompressed sound, extras in HD, etc.

Really, come to your senses folks. Digital distribution is about as evil as anything gets for content like movies.
 
Ethug said:
Theres no way you're going to be downloading 50gigs worth of content, You won't be able to compete with a 50gig bluray with uncompressed sound, extras in HD, etc.
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O'rly? It is already being done and has been since BR has been introduced. Also, people re-encode. Check out the torrent sites. This is the age of terabyte hard drives and 10mbit internet connections.
 
w1retap said:
O'rly? It is already being done and has been since BR has been introduced. Also, people re-encode. Check out the torrent sites. This is the age of terabyte hard drives and 10mbit internet connections.
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...you know thats not what I meant. I mean really, you come out of the back room to try to prove me wrong and use Completely Stupid examples.

Media Companies are not going to be pushing you 50 damn gig for movies thru a legal download service.
 
Well yeah, if they learned how to encode properly they could do 1080p movies in a DVD9 file size with 24bit DTS audio.
 
w1retap said:
Well yeah, if they learned how to encode properly they could do 1080p movies in a DVD9 file size with 24bit DTS audio.
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...Yeah because the professionals at the movie studios...they don't know how to encode.

Stop talking about pirated shit. Idiots taking a 30gig avc and re-encoding to x264 is meaningless to me. Its a degredation, and its piracy, which is more than forbidden here.
 
It is all relevant discussion. I was responding to you about the legal alternative for digital downloads, not that you didn't that people were downloading 50GB Blu-ray movies.

If you use proper quants, the degradation is almost unnoticeable. But really, the encoding process for studios is too streamlined because it has to be. They are using industry standardized options right now because everything has to have a "certified" codec which has to be compatible with all players for flawless playback, etc. If they developed a new spec based off of x264 for home consumer downloads, they could easily specialize a streamlined process for manageable downloads to the home, say something around a DVD9 size. It would be a genius idea, especially in the growing HTPC market. They are going to start doing it anyway, I'm sure someone has it all planned out and will get rich from it.
 
w1retap said:
O'rly? It is already being done and has been since BR has been introduced. Also, people re-encode. Check out the torrent sites. This is the age of terabyte hard drives and 10mbit internet connections.
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Seriously, I always think the same thing when downloads are said to be unfeasable. Its already here people. Its more of a matter of the studios and companies getting together as they have with this physical media. Its simply easier to control a hard piece of media for Sony or New Line or whomever.

Besides, what movies are using 50gb?
 
Ethug said:
...Yeah because the professionals at the movie studios...they don't know how to encode.

Stop talking about pirated shit. Idiots taking a 30gig avc and re-encoding to x264 is meaningless to me. Its a degredation, and its piracy, which is more than forbidden here.
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I'm guessing you never look at AVS forum. They show the minimal differences side by side. Differences that most of us can't even see.

Besides, you're running away from the point. The point is, its totally possible to use better codecs. There is hardware decoding available for these formats, and they can be done easily. Its just the usual as you, I and everyone here knows. When there are ways to solve something, large corporations always choose the path with the MOST resistance. They would rather have people buy entirely new systems and equipment(obviously to make money) than easily use the power that people already have available to them.
 
Azhar said:
It's expensive considering the risk. I don't want to shell out $500 for a player to watch it go the way of the Betamax in 2 months.

Hell, Firefox's spell-checker doesn't even recognize the word Betamax anymore. :p
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Lets try to be realistic. You can get Bluray players for much less than $500. Heck, you can get a PS3 for $400, and its a fantastic Bluray player.

Its not going to go the way of betamax in 2 months. Its not even close to the same thing.
 
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