Chirstmas gift choice: PS3 or XBOX 360??

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Hey everyone well its that time again to start thinking what you want for chirstmas and my parents are bugging me to know what i want. I am torn between a ps3 and 360. I will give you some important points to me and let me know what you think i should do:

Would like HD videos (bluray or hd dvd ) but the extra addon is hard wit 360
I have 27" hd lcd
I will be in a single dorm with 500w surround sound so want a game system.
Like mostly shooting and RPG games
Love to play halo3 but is not the only factor here
would like wireless built in not an extra cost


i know that is not to specific i just dont know what i want. Let me know
 
Personally I like what the 360 has to offer ATM, but I feel that within a year or so PS3 will have a lot more options. But since this is here and now, I'd say go with the 360.
 
Xbox in my opinion. Games like Halo 3, COD4, amd Mass Effect make it that more appealing.
 
Would like HD videos (bluray or hd dvd ) but the extra addon is hard wit 360
This is just personal opinion- but with costs of HD-DVD falling to $100 for a player (I know the 360's is not that low yet), and Sony's CEO declaring that BlueRay players won't fall below $400 (The PS3's price)... HD-DVD seems to be the better choice for mass consumers. The backwards compatibility fact seems to also make it more favorable.

That said- they both look great. I think price and backwards compatibility are the two key factors- and BlueRay just doesn't have either.

The add-on is a pain on the 360, I'll give you that. I'm personally going to wait until they come down in price (which they will).

Love to play halo3 but is not the only factor here
would like wireless built in not an extra cost
360 (depends what version) has wireless built in.
The 360 also has, hands-down, the best game selection out there- the PS3 doesn't.

I think for a more rounded, tried-and-true system with plenty of support... I'd go with a 360.
 
This is just personal opinion- but with costs of HD-DVD falling to $100 for a player (I know the 360's is not that low yet), and Sony's CEO declaring that BlueRay players won't fall below $400 (The PS3's price)... HD-DVD seems to be the better choice for mass consumers. The backwards compatibility fact seems to also make it more favorable.

That said- they both look great. I think price and backwards compatibility are the two key factors- and BlueRay just doesn't have either.

The add-on is a pain on the 360, I'll give you that. I'm personally going to wait until they come down in price (which they will).


360 (depends what version) has wireless built in.
The 360 also has, hands-down, the best game selection out there- the PS3 doesn't.

I think for a more rounded, tried-and-true system with plenty of support... I'd go with a 360.

Actually, I'm pretty positive there is no 360 model available that has the wireless built-in.

To the OP: I would definitely go for the 360 at the current time. It has the best games out, some of the best upcoming games, and it's price-feature ratio is nice.
 
This is just personal opinion- but with costs of HD-DVD falling to $100 for a player (I know the 360's is not that low yet), and Sony's CEO declaring that BlueRay players won't fall below $400 (The PS3's price)... HD-DVD seems to be the better choice for mass consumers. The backwards compatibility fact seems to also make it more favorable.

No NO NO! This is NOT a reasonable choice. The reason why you're buying a next gen movie is so that you can enjoy the full experience of the HD quality. You're not buying it for the DVD. The reason Blu Ray is superior is that more companies support it, has more storage (A KEY factor, more room = more quality, better bitrate, more features to add).

HD DVD is even more expensive than Blu Ray, in consumer and producing. Also, there are no decently priced HD DVD burners like the Blu Ray burners that are out there.

That said- they both look great. I think price and backwards compatibility are the two key factors- and BlueRay just doesn't have either.

No, the purpose isn't for backwards compatibility. It's for STORAGE and QUALITY. No one is buying the premium so they can watch the horrible quality of DVD. They'll buy the DVD if they want the DVD, not the HD source.

The add-on is a pain on the 360, I'll give you that. I'm personally going to wait until they come down in price (which they will).

Which increases the price of the 360 twice as much, and all arguments of the PS3 being "more expensive" comes to naught. The PS3 is a game player AND a Blu Ray player out of the box.

360 (depends what version) has wireless built in.
The 360 also has, hands-down, the best game selection out there- the PS3 doesn't.

The Elite is just as expensive, again, as the most expensive PS3, which already has the wireless built in and has bluetooth and a Blu Ray and much more.

I agree on the games... but in all honesty, all the games that come out for the 360 comes out on the PC as well as the PS3 if it's multiplatform.

However, the PS3 has been gaining ground. Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, etc and 2008 is looking to be an AWESOME year for the PS3.

If you already have a gaming PC, get a PS3, you've gotten all bases covered (unless you don't have a Wii, but the Wii still is more of a party/family/minigame console, it still needs solid/mature games).

I think for a more rounded, tried-and-true system with plenty of support... I'd go with a 360.

Plenty of support for those red rings :p... heh...

Anyway, only reason I bash is because people like to spread FUD and completely bash the PS3 even though what they say is blatantly false. I'd also like to buy a 360 too but I feel that a new computer was a better investment since all the games (minus the "console sellers", i.e. Halo and Mass Effect) come out for the PC anyway. Plus I'm afraid of my 360 to red ring or scratch my disks.

My advice: hold out on what you want; research what types of games you're interested in and decide.

It's all about the games. I bought my PS3 for backwards compatiblity with my PS2/1 games, and I love Final Fantasy and Metal Gear as well as JRPGs and other unique games that seem to always come out from Sony consoles.
 
veritas7,
Sho me a Blu-Ray player for $100...

Oh thas right, because there isn't any. You say you bash for people spreading FUD yet you're doing it yourself. Ignorance is bliss isn't it?


OP,
If you want a console to play online, then 360 is you choice, hands down. I habe one, but I'm definitely not a fan boy. While I like it, I only play it maybe once a week. PS3 is nice because just like the 360, there is backwards compatobilty, but the PS3 only offers that on certain models (ie the expensive ones).
 
veritas7 said:
No NO NO! This is NOT a reasonable choice. The reason why you're buying a next gen movie is so that you can enjoy the full experience of the HD quality. You're not buying it for the DVD. The reason Blu Ray is superior is that more companies support it, has more storage (A KEY factor, more room = more quality, better bitrate, more features to add).

I agree on the whole "reason to buy a next gen format" thing, but I disagree with your point on Blu-Ray being superior. More and more camps are supporting Blu-Ray, and the sales figures are what speaks here. HD-DVD is selling better.
veritas7 said:
HD DVD is even more expensive than Blu Ray, in consumer and producing. Also, there are no decently priced HD DVD burners like the Blu Ray burners that are out there.

Huh? No Blu-Ray players in existence are under the $400-500 mark. You can get an HD-DVD player for around $200, and there are HD-DVD PC drives for around $150
veritas7 said:
No, the purpose isn't for backwards compatibility. It's for STORAGE and QUALITY. No one is buying the premium so they can watch the horrible quality of DVD. They'll buy the DVD if they want the DVD, not the HD source.

This is depending on a consumers needs. If he buys a Blu-Ray player, it won't be able to play his entire catalog of DVD's. With an HD-DVD player, it can be done.

veritas7 said:
Which increases the price of the 360 twice as much, and all arguments of the PS3 being "more expensive" comes to naught. The PS3 is a game player AND a Blu Ray player out of the box.

I can't argue here...the price-gap is closing.
veritas7 said:
I agree on the games... but in all honesty, all the games that come out for the 360 comes out on the PC as well as the PS3 if it's multiplatform.

That's not true, the 360 has tons of exclusives that aren't multiplatform. If you simply want games, the 360 is where it's at right now, and I don't see the trend ending, as developers gear toward the better-selling console. The 360, being just that.

veritas7 said:
Plenty of support for those red rings :p... heh...

No argument there. BUT - the support, in general, is top. You pay nothing and get it all fixed. Yeah it sucks, but, just like the PS2 days, if you want the best games, you gotta suffer a little. :-D
 
This is depending on a consumers needs. If he buys a Blu-Ray player, it won't be able to play his entire catalog of DVD's. With an HD-DVD player, it can be done.

What the hell are you talking about. EVERY blu-ray player is an upconverting DVD player, I clicked on 6 random blu-ray players and they all upconvert DVD'd to 1080P via HDMI.

See for yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Y634SU/ref=br_fq_
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VSWCRK/ref=br_fq_1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F99FDE/ref=br_fq_2
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000DZS0G8/ref=br_fq_5
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X22YTK/ref=br_fq_4
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JG2N2I/ref=br_fq_3
 
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Holy shit, I wasn't thinking straight on that front. I stand corrected.:eek:
 
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The reason why you're buying a next gen movie is so that you can enjoy the full experience of the HD quality.
Alright- so what if the old people down the street don't care about HD movies- and all they got were BlueRay disks? There ARE still people that care about just watching a movie with someone... and aren't concerned with how good it looks (especially considering how pricey HD is right now).

With BlueRay- you can't play one of its disks in your current player (for the people that don't care about HD). You have to upgrade to a $400+ unit just to watch the darn movie.

With HD-DVD, you can still play that sucker in your current player.
If you want HD, you pay $100 for a player (fraction of that of BlueRay). If you don't care about HD- you aren't forced into buying anything.


Blu Ray is superior is that more companies support it, has more storage
The fact of the matter is that very few companies support any HD right now, be it BlueRay or HD-DVD. It's a small point for now (And I'm personally open to the option that these "HD Wars" will never be concluded- that something else will come along later down the road... like movies through the Internet (a ton cheaper)).
And your argument of "more storage" is also false. HD-DVD is topping it off at 51GB now.

HD DVD is even more expensive than Blu Ray, in consumer and producing. Also, there are no decently priced HD DVD burners like the Blu Ray burners that are out there.
As said before- show me a $100 BlueRay player and you've got an argument.
Burning is hardly an argument FOR anything... The percentage of people that burn even DVDs today is so small, it isn't worth arguing about.

FWIW... HD-DVD and BlueRay both look wonderful. I can care less which I am watching, for that matter. It's just the things that matter most to the public (mainly-cost) is the factor. Backwards-compatibility also works its way into that cost figure as well (forced to buy new unit or wait?). So cost and backwards compatibility is what will determine it. Right now BlueRay looses to both of these.

Depends how big HD is to the OP.
Gaming is hands-down a 360 win.
Still have no idea what "wireless" means... but if it is for Internet access- obviously the Xbox looses that one.
 
I want the PS3 for my HD Pr0nz. That's right. And my family even buys me the pr0n on Christmas!

It's a joke. Cheap. Maybe not funny.
 
Donation to a childrens hospital.
No, really. Personally, receiving gifts over $100 is not something I'm into. Especially around the holidays. Any entertainment systems I own, I pay for with my own hands.

yah, I didnt think anyone would tell their folks not to get them a big dollar videogame system(though, anyone who asks their parents for a 360 or PS3 is a little greedy/spoiled IMHO).
Personally, I'd get the PS3.

But, since Im in a save the world mood, people should remember that most cities have shelters that collect money around the holidays. I know here, $2.75 donation buys someone a turkey dinner at the shelters.
Everyone, even you kids, can pwn up $5 to feed someone this year. Im as greedy as the next guy for videogames, but over the past few years, when asked what I want, I ask them to make a donation in my name to a holiday charity. Feels better then any game
 
But, since Im in a save the world mood, people should remember that most cities have shelters that collect money around the holidays. I know here, $2.75 donation buys someone a turkey dinner at the shelters.
Everyone, even you kids, can pwn up $5 to feed someone this year. Im as greedy as the next guy for videogames, but over the past few years, when asked what I want, I ask them to make a donation in my name to a holiday charity. Feels better then any game


QFT
 
Nice post Droc.

Also, to anyone here that supports that $100 HD DVD player, you know it supports only 720p, not 1080p. Granted, it gets the job done. But when I finally hunker down and buy Blu Ray disks of my favorite movies, I'm going to appreciate the 1080p quality. I'm one of those rare videophiles, but I don't necessarily buy expensive things on purpose to claim they're end-all quality like some audiophiles do out there :p
 
That's not true, the 360 has tons of exclusives that aren't multiplatform. If you simply want games, the 360 is where it's at right now

Check meta critic. The top 6 rated X360 games are all multi-platform. Your observation is correct. "Right now" more games are on X360. But people expect to get several years of gaming out of a console.

You have to look at the situation now along with thinking about what it will be like next year, and the year after that etc..

and I don't see the trend ending, as developers gear toward the better-selling console. The 360, being just that.

If what you say is true, all of the development would be concentrating on Wii since it's selling so well. Unfortunately for X360 owners, the system is tanking in Japan. That will have a significant impact on what Japanese games are available. Sure it will still get the mainstream games like DMC4, but the obscure Japanese games will be more available on PS3.

I think the X360's game advantage has peaked. It had the one year head start and launched with a more affordable MSRP. But now a year later, the PS3 has dropped considerably in price. Look at the PS3's library compared to X360's first year and they are comparable. You can't play MGS4 or GT5 without a playstation. Good things come to those who wait. ;)
 
Nice post Droc.

Also, to anyone here that supports that $100 HD DVD player, you know it supports only 720p, not 1080p. Granted, it gets the job done. But when I finally hunker down and buy Blu Ray disks of my favorite movies, I'm going to appreciate the 1080p quality. I'm one of those rare videophiles, but I don't necessarily buy expensive things on purpose to claim they're end-all quality like some audiophiles do out there :p

Wrong, to your bolded statement sir.

They do 720p/1080i. From the First gen on, and you can always buy a better player in a few years, you know, when 1080p TV's are all they sell, and the adoption rate isn't a fraction of what the market already has established in 720p and 1080i TV's.

The whole 1080p thing is way, waaaaaay overblown, thanks to the media blitz surrounding it, and also every ad you see advocating it. A 720p HD DVD version of a newer movie is a huge leap over it's DVD counterpart. Colors and richness vs regular DVD are off the scale, even if the resolution isn't the coveted 1080p.

I don't know why everyone thinks you have to have 1080p to enjoy the HD formats, but it's completely false. And lets not even get started on when the most widely adopted way that people get their HD, satellite and cable, will start broadcasting in 1080p. Heres a hint - it's a long way away.

Also, not every HD DVD is a Combo HD DVD. The combo discs are the ones that have HD on one side, and DVD on the other. They don't all come that way, and you pay more for them as well, just an FYI for some of the above posters.

Oh, and on topic for OP: Based on what you're looking for in a console, what with your requirements and all. Sounds to me like the PS3 will ring your bell. I would highly advocate Netflix (or Blockbusters mail service) as way to make the most out of HD movie watching. Beats being bent over to the tune of $20-35 per disc, and for a monthly fee of about 2 rentals from Blockbuster, it's an all you can eat service.

The only real complaint I have for the PS3 is the controller, I hated the dual-shock all these years, and I hate it's successors. Most uncomfortable thing on the planet to game with for me. Only tolerable for light action games or RPG's. I couldn't play an FPS on that to save my life.
 
A 720p HD DVD version of a newer movie is a huge leap over it's DVD counterpart. Colors and richness vs regular DVD are off the scale, even if the resolution isn't the coveted 1080p.



Friend and I just yesterday compared House of Flying Daggers BD 1080i to DVD 480p upscaled to 1080i in an A/B test and there wasn't much difference in sharpness, just a little difference. Colours and richness were exactly the same. Whether you need/want 1080P or not depends on your display size. We compared on a 42" LCD but I expect on a larger display then the higher resolution of 1080p would be desirable and more noticeable.
 
Friend and I just yesterday compared House of Flying Daggers BD 1080i to DVD 480p upscaled to 1080i in an A/B test and there wasn't much difference in sharpness, just a little difference. Colours and richness were exactly the same. Whether you need/want 1080P or not depends on your display size. We compared on a 42" LCD but I expect on a larger display then the higher resolution of 1080p would be desirable and more noticeable.

It would probably be better to use a newer movie see the difference. I have the Blu-ray of that movie too and it doesn't look like a Blu-ray movie should. You can redo old movies but in the end, it is still an old movie. The CG movies show the differences quite nicely.
 
xbox360:

1. Cheaper (unless buying the HDDVD add-on. Who really want to pay $25-30 a movie though. I'd wait for one of the formats to become more main stream and priced better whether its Blu-ray or HD-DVD)
2. Comes with 2 games
3. Better game selection
4. Better online service
5. Better controller
6. Tons of great arcade games
 
Honestly, with a relatively small television in a dorm room, I wouldn't base my decision on supported HD format at all. Also, in one small room it should be fairly trivial to run a wire unless the school is 100% wireless, which is a possibility I suppose. You can always buy a dual format LG drive when they get cheaper in the coming years, or jump onto which ever format comes out on top if any. I picked up an HD-DVD drive simply because I had a 360, got a new big screen 1080p plasma, and needed a new DVD player anyway. The best HD discs look great (and almost always hddvd/bluray identical when they are dual format according to professional reviewers), but on average it's far from the upgrade seen going from VHS to DVD. Definitely nothing to write home about IMO, though it is a nice luxury.

Neither camp's exclusives are decisive, but Blu Ray probably has a slight edge.

Those two items out of the equation, look at it critically...which system's exclusive games would you prefer to own? The answer to that is the answer to your question.

I can say from personal experience I'm extremely happy with my 360, but a good number of it's best games are available on PS3 also (COD4, Oblivion, AC to name a few). There are a handful of very good exclusives on the 360 though, particularly Halo 3 and Mass Effect within the tastes you mentioned.

Truthfully we've been pretty hung up on Super Mario Crack (galaxy) on the wii lately. ;) "Just one more star before bed..."
 
I have all three consoles.

The order is

Xbox360
Wii
PS3...


Seriously - don't get the PS3 as first choice....Everybody I know personally that has one likes their 360 much better.
 
It would probably be better to use a newer movie see the difference. I have the Blu-ray of that movie too and it doesn't look like a Blu-ray movie should. You can redo old movies but in the end, it is still an old movie. The CG movies show the differences quite nicely.

I don't plan to just buy CG movies for my HD player and House of Flying Daggers has pretty good cinematography and doesn't use low quality film. The best quality I have seen on my 360's HD player is the King Kong movie that came with it. Why am I not surprised they included that movie specifically? Friend lent me Perfect Storm in HD and I already have it on DVD so compared with that too (HD at 720p and DVD at 480p) and there wasn't much difference again. Sure, I would rather have HD versions but not at the premium price they are charging currently. I see you can get HD version of Clockwork Orange now but I am not going to give away my SD version just so I can pay thirty bucks for the HD version.

Also, claiming HD and BD affects color quality I find very questionable. It's the remastering that can affect those aspects and not the fact it is at a higher resolution. My remastered version of Planet of the Apes (original version) looks superb on my HD Projector and it is just SD DVD.
 
Ugh... Another Xbox 360/Playstation 3 thread turns into a movie format war. :rolleyes: I guess I'll join in. ;) I saw somebody mention how Blu-ray has greater capacity. I'd just like to point out that although true, when you compare a single layer on a Blu-ray disk to a single layer on an HD-DVD disk, the HD-DVD camp recently approved the new triple layer HD-DVD disk. It holds 51 gigs, which is 1 gig larger then the current dual layer Blu-ray disk.

Now, as far as games are concerned, I guess it's just a matter of what you like, though in my opinion the Xbox 360 is offering a lot more then the PS3 at the moment. At least for me, the PS3 probably won't even begin to get interesting (as far as titles I'd like), until late next year. As far as right now, and early next year, the Xbox 360 has more to offer as far as I'm concerned. Also, there's much more to Xbox Live and the Marketplace, that Sony just doesn't have. Yes, yes, you have to pay 50 bucks a year to play multiplayer games, with the Live Gold account, but even if you're just a silver, there's more demos on the 360 (though it's been out longer), access to movies, television shows, Xbox Live arcade games, and coming in December, original Xbox games.

The Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on is pretty nice, but hopefully it comes down in price. My only complaint with the Xbox 360, asside from the RRoD problems they've had, is the fact that various accessories are too expensive. The HD-DVD player isn't too bad, but the 120 gig hard drive is a rip-off, as well as the wireless adapter (thankfully you can get around it with other wireless options that are less expensive).
 
Here's my take on 360 vs PS3. Friend has PS3 and I have 360. GUI of 360 is far superior to PS3, gamepad is much better on 360, 360 has better game library, PS3 is quieter than 360 and has far less failure rate. Game experience is same on both. I don't play online MP so can't comment on that. I would play online MP but refuse to pay a fee to Microsoft to do so. I understand PS3 has free online MP.
 
Also, claiming HD and BD affects color quality I find very questionable. It's the remastering that can affect those aspects and not the fact it is at a higher resolution. .

HD DVD and Blu Ray both have better color depth than their DVD counterparts, HDMI 1.3 is required to experience the full end result. It's a specific component of the HD movie formats.

Ok, well as long as everybody is going on what they "feel" as opposed to what is technically being done I'll throw down. SD/HD comparisons that I have sepcifically noted HD being markedly superior in: Chronicles of Riddick, Superman Returns, Hot Fuzz, 300, and for gods sake even "Music and Lyrics" looks better than it's DVD couterpart.

I don't know what types of TV's you all have, how they're hooked up, what version of HDMI you're running and all the other technical BS that would be required to factually refute all the nonsense. Feeling that there isn't as big a difference versus a difference actually being there are two seperate things. Your eye adjusts to the sharper image from the time you start watching it.


And yes, some dvd's look excellent, I don't anyone is disputing that. I watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy and even though I don't think it could look any better, when it finally comes out, and it does, I will be totally stoked. One of the reasons I bought my HD DVD player is because it upconverts my normal DVD's and I have 800 of those. I only own 4 HD DVD's and I netflix everything else. So please don't think I have some sort of HD vendetta and I'm poo-pooing regular DVD's.
 
Ugh... Another Xbox 360/Playstation 3 thread turns into a movie format war. :rolleyes: I guess I'll join in. ;) I saw somebody mention how Blu-ray has greater capacity. I'd just like to point out that although true, when you compare a single layer on a Blu-ray disk to a single layer on an HD-DVD disk, the HD-DVD camp recently approved the new triple layer HD-DVD disk. It holds 51 gigs, which is 1 gig larger then the current dual layer Blu-ray disk.

Too bad that wont matter, because all the 360's sold, have a normal DVD drive in them.So they cant make games with the newer HD-DVD format, because no 360 can play it.
 
Enough of the Format debate already! It is just that: A debate. It is more or less just opinions on which one will win out... As 90% of it is pure speculation.

If the OP considers it the primary factor (my guess is not)- we can return to it.

Let's leave it at "Both play an HD format". If the OP wants to explore these options more, by all means... have at it. This just looks to me like threadjacking at this point.
 
Enough of the Format debate already! It is just that: A debate. It is more or less just opinions on which one will win out... As 90% of it is pure speculation.

If the OP considers it the primary factor (my guess is not)- we can return to it.

Let's leave it at "Both play an HD format". If the OP wants to explore these options more, by all means... have at it. This just looks to me like threadjacking at this point.

No. One of his requests was that it play a next gen HD movie format. Read his OP, and based on that OP, it sounds like he should grab a PS3. However the misinformation batallion came out regarding both formats.

If you want to play next gen movies, for 399.99, the PS3 is the better value.

Plus, the 360 HD DVD player is a poor choice, because it limits your audio playback options. Not to mention it's external, requires a sperate power adapter, takes up a USB port, etc.
 
Too bad that wont matter, because all the 360's sold, have a normal DVD drive in them.So they cant make games with the newer HD-DVD format, because no 360 can play it.

Well I wasn't talking about games anyway. Just making a comment/clearing something up on disk capacity in general, for HD-DVD and Blu-ray.
 
You can really get most of the same games on both systems. Who really cares about the back catalog because you really won't be going back to the first gen games of the system for the most part (there's a few worth getting though). I'd say just go to all the gaming web sites and check out their Holiday Buyer guides for each system. They mostly list exclusives there.

I had both but my 360 died so I traded it in. Didn't want to wait 2 months for a replacement that would probably break again. Plus I play my PC more anyway. I also use my PS3 for my DVD and Blu-Ray player. The DVD upconverter is awesome in the PS3.
 
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