PlayStation 3 Releases Security Update 3.56

[hpglow]

When I first got my PS3 slim the updates bricked it. The quick format wouldn't fix the damn thing either, I had to do the full format. Which took 18 hours. Let me tell you how cool it is when you just get a new system and a stack of games your itching to play.

I think it is complete BS to have a consumer electronics device act like this. These things should be plug and play. The device has been reletively painless since the full format, which wiped all my save game data. It is easy to hate on Sony, but I have just as many complaints about MS, and other companies. I had to send my Xbox 360 in 4 times and then have a local repair guy fix it twice before I gave up on that thing.

 

[Ashbringer]

When I first got my PS3 slim the updates bricked it. The quick format wouldn't fix the damn thing either, I had to do the full format. Which took 18 hours. Let me tell you how cool it is when you just get a new system and a stack of games your itching to play.

I think it is complete BS to have a consumer electronics device act like this. These things should be plug and play. The device has been reletively painless since the full format, which wiped all my save game data. It is easy to hate on Sony, but I have just as many complaints about MS, and other companies. I had to send my Xbox 360 in 4 times and then have a local repair guy fix it twice before I gave up on that thing.

Welcome to console hell. Remember when you guys complain about the PC?

"I hate having to download drivers, updates, and patches for games. You don't have to do that for consoles"

Now you do, and it can brick the machine.

"PC's are expensive, and require constant upgrades"

Hey 360 owners, how's that Kinect working for ya? Did your 360 come with a HD? If not, you better run out and get one. PS3 owners are no better off either. Funny thing is, people who owne these consoles, tend to own more then one, cause the older ones BROKE!

Consoles don't have to deal with priacy.

Bullshit! How many 360 owners here play sports games online? Remember that CD key you had to enter in? Don't worry PS3 owners, you'll be getting that too.

I'm not saying throw your consoles systems away, but try to realize that PC gaming is for the best. It costs $500 to build a HTPC/Gaming machine. You can PRINT! Play old console games via emulators. Backwards compatibility on PC games is WAAAAY better then consoles. Games are cheaper, and we have Steam.

*Cough* World of Warcraft *Cough*
*Cough* Porno *Cough*

 

[krotch]

*Cough*World of Warcraft sucks huge donkey nuts*Cough*

 

[krotch]

I own both consoles, updates on either one are annoying. I get home from work, and maybe every couple of weeks decide to play a game on a console. Turn everything on, pop the disc in and... update...

Even if it's only 5 minutes, by the time it's done I barely want to play anymore because I'm already more irritated than I was after a long day at work. It was nice when the idea of updating the firmware on a console didn't even exist. I could just turn the thing on and play. Plus when it isn't a firmware update for the console, the game developers put out updates, some of which are a few hundred megs, and may take forever to install even after downloading.

I get a better gaming experience out of my PC these days since 9 times out of 10 all I have to do is load the game and I'm playing. Anyone remember the 500 plus articles declaring PC gaming to be dead because of how much of a hassle it was compared to flipping a switch on a console? Yeah, those days have switched with services like steam that keep things updated in the background.

Use your PC like you do your console. As in, turn it off after you finish playing games. BAM! Have to update every time you turn it on.

Course a PC has a lot more uses, so there's less downtime for a PC than a console. So it'll constantly be connected and have a chance to grab updates.

Maybe if we had more uses for a console and it had the ability to update the games that are installed on the hdd (without starting the game), it'd give a similiar PC like experience. Why the US doesn't get a PS3 DVR add-on like in Japan is beyond me. It'd give me more uses and it'd be on more often, so updates just happen in the background.

Either way, I get the same experience with PCs, as I do with consoles. Both require updates, and none of which I let run in the background. Especially when Valve seems to like to push freaking 1+ gig updates.

 

[Ashton]

Welcome to console hell. Remember when you guys complain about the PC?

"I hate having to download drivers, updates, and patches for games. You don't have to do that for consoles"
Now you do, and it can brick the machine.
"PC's are expensive, and require constant upgrades"
Hey 360 owners, how's that Kinect working for ya? Did your 360 come with a HD? If not, you better run out and get one. PS3 owners are no better off either.
Consoles don't have to deal with priacy.
Bullshit! How many 360 owners here play sports games online? Remember that CD key you had to enter in? Don't worry PS3 owners, you'll be getting that too.

That's because Consoles have become just shitty computers... (and by shitty I mean the OS/Software not the hardware, both MS and Sony have some decent hardware even by PC standards)

Console makers need to go back to a simple hardware-based system that's expensive and difficult to copy (like the old cartridge games were in the early 90s) and requires some crazy voodoo of hardware/software that's hard to get on a PC (my argument is that untill just recently when MS released drivers for the 360 controlers, there were very few low-cost yet functional game controllers for PC, they all were either expensive, had too few buttons, or didnt have decent detection)

Best examples of this were Nintendo's consoles prior to the Wii. All proprietary ports (including the ones on the motherboard - no IDE/SATA connections), all proprietary storage media including either on-game memory for saves or a "memory card" that is too small to hold a full game. Unless you bought special hardware, there was no way to "hack" a NES/SNES/n64/GCN and then, even if you did, you'd have to buy more expensive hardware to play games on them (streaming cartridges or "flash" cartridges, though the SNES for a while had a floppy-drive-based option)

The 360 has some slight resistance to hacking because so many people dont want to lose their XBL accounts. If they tied these to the hardware somehow it would be even more of a deterrent (but then every time you got a RROD you'd lose your gamerscore, friendslist, etc)

Sony's PS3 has had a good run. Untill recently there was virtually NO piracy and very little hacking. Even now I'm willing to bet most of you dont even KNOW somone who's hacked a PS3, much less you've done it yourself (no I'm not asking for a show of hands) because of the size of the games and the difficulty of hacking the system (yes I know the latter is changing, but how many of us on 3mbps DSL want to download 40gb games?)

I'm not saying throw your consoles systems away, but try to realize that PC gaming is for the best. It costs $500 to build a HTPC/Gaming machine. You can PRINT! Play old console games via emulators. Backwards compatibility on PC games is WAAAAY better then consoles. Games are cheaper, and we have Steam.
*Cough* World of Warcraft *Cough
*Cough* Porno *Cough*

[/quote]

You can get the last one on PS3, I know a guy I used to work with that doesn't own a PC and does it that way

Steam can be argued both ways. To me it's a PITA because I rarely play Steam games and when I do I have to wait up to 4 hours for them to download/install and download a crapload of updates, not to mention I cant play them on an offline PC (well I can, but I have to plan ahead, in the event of a DSL outage (which is common here) or a trip where I suddenly have a few hours to kill and nothing really around me of any interest but my laptop and no WiFi (again, common here))

*Funny thing is, people who owne these consoles, tend to own more then one, cause the older ones BROKE!

The last good console I owned was the GCN/PS2 since then, things have been circling the drain as far as I'm concerned. Part of this I think is simply "the more things it can do, the more things that can break" and "the less proprietary, the more security" (like my comments above, if you dont need a pile of special hardware to hack it, then they'll spend a fortune on software to prevent hacking it) Honestly, as much as I like having these "super consoles" that can do everything, I think the crashes and the updates and such are a rather steep price. I'd rather lose some functionality (do I REALLY need to be able to stream Netflix on 50 devices?) and have a simpler experience.

 

[next-Jin]

Out of curiosity do you guys have all the ports forwarded or have all the ports forwarded?

I'm pretty sure I said "or" in my original statement, should I have put "or either" maybe? You can only set them up 3 ways, in a DMZ, forward the proper ports required by the specific device or just plug it in and hope everything is ok. I've had several times where something wouldn't work right because the router was slowing things way down (World of Warcraft download). Consoles do not have to be "secured" behind anything.

 

[next-Jin]

I'm pretty sure I said "or" in my original statement, should I have put "or either" maybe? You can only set them up 3 ways, in a DMZ, forward the proper ports required by the specific device or just plug it in and hope everything is ok. I've had several times where something wouldn't work right because the router was slowing things way down (World of Warcraft download). Consoles do not have to be "secured" behind anything.

Damn the no edit!

I guess I should have been super specific and said "Do you guys have the PROPER/SPECIFIC/RIGHT ports forwarded or in a DMZ"

 

[htpc_user]

Exactly.

And on another note, I updated in less than 1 minute with 25 Down Comcast. Pretty sure these updates are fairly quick and painless. People just look for anything to complain about as long as they stick it to "the man"

Not everybody has "25 Down" internet. I got on the other night to play a quick game of NBA 2K11 online only to find out I had to update. It took a couple of hours to do the update and by that time I had to go to bed so I could get up and go to work the next day. Updates are annoying, especially when I don't know there is one and can't play as I expected to.

 

[nobody_here]

Not everybody has "25 Down" internet. I got on the other night to play a quick game of NBA 2K11 online only to find out I had to update. It took a couple of hours to do the update and by that time I had to go to bed so I could get up and go to work the next day. Updates are annoying, especially when I don't know there is one and can't play as I expected to.

a couple hours? come on man, is this dial up? seriously, i have the most basic broadband from my cable company which is 10 megabit service and im not seeing updates taking any more than 30 seconds on my 360 and i refuse to think a game update for a PS3 game is so large it takes hours.......thats crazy talk

 

[Ashton]

a couple hours? come on man, is this dial up? seriously, i have the most basic broadband from my cable company which is 10 megabit service and im not seeing updates taking any more than 30 seconds on my 360 and i refuse to think a game update for a PS3 game is so large it takes hours.......thats crazy talk

10mbps is "most basic"??? what dream land are you living in?

most basic (outside of dialup) is usually 3xxkbps "DSL Lite" which is what a lot of people have, simply because it costs more and more for each tier.

 

[krotch]

Not everybody has "25 Down" internet. I got on the other night to play a quick game of NBA 2K11 online only to find out I had to update. It took a couple of hours to do the update and by that time I had to go to bed so I could get up and go to work the next day. Updates are annoying, especially when I don't know there is one and can't play as I expected to.

Well, that's something you'll have to deal with, with any console game nowadays. It's not Sony's fault that EA pushed an update for their game and made it gigantic.

a couple hours? come on man, is this dial up? seriously, i have the most basic broadband from my cable company which is 10 megabit service and im not seeing updates taking any more than 30 seconds on my 360 and i refuse to think a game update for a PS3 game is so large it takes hours.......thats crazy talk

Best net connection I could get was 1.5 mbps, until they put FIOS in my area last month. Well, cable was available, if I felt like going with cable internet and cable tv. I don't watch tv, so I'm not going to pay for it. As for game updates taking hours. They can easily take hours, especially if you have slow internet service. Many games can easily hit 1+ gig patches.

As for firmware updates. Don't think I've ever seen one go over 160 MBs.

 

[nobody_here]

Best net connection I could get was 1.5 mbps, until they put FIOS in my area last month. Well, cable was available, if I felt like going with cable internet and cable tv. I don't watch tv, so I'm not going to pay for it. As for game updates taking hours. They can easily take hours, especially if you have slow internet service. Many games can easily hit 1+ gig patches.

As for firmware updates. Don't think I've ever seen one go over 160 MBs.

I'm not sure why patches are so huge for you guys.......they shouldn't be much different for 360 players. As far as cable goes, you could probably get the most basic cable broadband for the same thing you were paying for that 1.5 megabit service.....you don't have to subscribe to cable TV silly. I don't either. I pay $50 a month for broadband only through the cable company, and then pay $12/mo for Vonage home phone, and $18/mo for Netflix with blu ray discs, and between that and all the free OTA broadcasts we have more than we want to watch, and we watch a lot.

10mbps is "most basic"??? what dream land are you living in?

most basic (outside of dialup) is usually 3xxkbps "DSL Lite" which is what a lot of people have, simply because it costs more and more for each tier.

Get away from DSL and be free bro. .......if you are in a heavily enough populated area to get DSL you can most likely get cable. Most cable companies will give you somewhere around 10 megabit down service for around $50 a month, the same roughly as DSL Service which is much slower.....hence the longer update times.....

 

[innermoon]

Ha beef up security in PlayStation 3 Sony can never makeup their lazy mistake, that just how it is, but I guess more people will buy the PS3 now since you don't need to buy game.

 

[the_b_man]

Yes, let's please not forget that not having a 25 Mbps Internet is far more common than having it. The PS3 updates are definitely big. My connection is ~4Mbps down and the PS3 usually takes 15 minutes to update itself. I definitely find that irritating, especially when I really only stream local media, netflix, and Blu-ray with the damn thing. If this turns into a PSP style update war then it's out the door.

 

[Ashton]

Get away from DSL and be free bro. .......if you are in a heavily enough populated area to get DSL you can most likely get cable. Most cable companies will give you somewhere around 10 megabit down service for around $50 a month, the same roughly as DSL Service which is much slower.....hence the longer update times.....

lol, you want to talk about going from DSL to cable. Just got a thing in the mail that the local ISP got a govt grant to install hard fiber in my area! (naturally I signed up for it) hoping for a 50/50mbps connection a couple months from now!

As for cable, honestly, there is 1 cable provider in my area - the Phone company (also the only DSL provider). And it would cost more to get cable than the bundle we currently have. (local+long distance + internet) and the phone co *DOES* require cable TV when you get cable internet... (technically the service is "Cable TV plus Internet") so yeah...

 

[Ashton]

If this turns into a PSP style update war then it's out the door.

I keep seeing this mentioned but not doing much portable gaming, I didnt follow the PSP saga, did it get really bad? (updates multiple times a day?)

 

[krotch]

I'm not sure why patches are so huge for you guys.......they shouldn't be much different for 360 players. As far as cable goes, you could probably get the most basic cable broadband for the same thing you were paying for that 1.5 megabit service.....you don't have to subscribe to cable TV silly. I don't either. I pay $50 a month for broadband only through the cable company, and then pay $12/mo for Vonage home phone, and $18/mo for Netflix with blu ray discs, and between that and all the free OTA broadcasts we have more than we want to watch, and we watch a lot.

All depends on the frequency that you grab updates. If you stay up to date, it's not a big deal. Leave the game idle for a while and you end up having to grab a bulk amount in one go.

As for service, it's different in different areas. There are times were they won't let you get just internet or getting internet alone ends up costing almost as much as the stupid package deals. I currently have Verizon DSL and Clear 3G/4G. I went with Verizon, as I was just going to swap to FIOS when they dumped it into my area. Now I'm deploying, so none of it really matters anymore.

 

[Ashbringer]

That's because Consoles have become just shitty computers... (and by shitty I mean the OS/Software not the hardware, both MS and Sony have some decent hardware even by PC standards)

The hardware is impressive, if you look at only the specs from paper. In practice, those machines aren't exactly graphics power houses. The processors are gutted, and lost their "out-of-order processing" capability. Which means they run "in-order", which is like pre Pentium pro. That was the big feature that came with the Pentium Pro, "out-of-order". How you figure Sony and Microsoft, or better yet IBM, was able to make a 3 Ghz multi core CPU, back then? Add the fact that they're sharing bandwidth from the GPU with limited space, and you got some slow shit machines. How old is Crysis and those consoles still can't run that game?

Console makers need to go back to a simple hardware-based system that's expensive and difficult to copy (like the old cartridge games were in the early 90s) and requires some crazy voodoo of hardware/software that's hard to get on a PC (my argument is that untill just recently when MS released drivers for the 360 controlers, there were very few low-cost yet functional game controllers for PC, they all were either expensive, had too few buttons, or didnt have decent detection)

Best examples of this were Nintendo's consoles prior to the Wii. All proprietary ports (including the ones on the motherboard - no IDE/SATA connections), all proprietary storage media including either on-game memory for saves or a "memory card" that is too small to hold a full game. Unless you bought special hardware, there was no way to "hack" a NES/SNES/n64/GCN and then, even if you did, you'd have to buy more expensive hardware to play games on them (streaming cartridges or "flash" cartridges, though the SNES for a while had a floppy-drive-based option)

You should look up something called emulators. Even if the games couldn't be copied and played directly on the machine, it could be done on PC via emulator. Big fiasco in the 90's from emulators like BLEEM! and UltraHLE. Other popular emulators like Genecyst and Nesticle made it possible to play cartridge based games on a PC. The modern day equivalent is Dolphin. These emulators enhanced the graphics, and added new functionality to the games, like save states.

Piracy will always exist.

Sony's PS3 has had a good run. Untill recently there was virtually NO piracy and very little hacking. Even now I'm willing to bet most of you dont even KNOW somone who's hacked a PS3, much less you've done it yourself (no I'm not asking for a show of hands) because of the size of the games and the difficulty of hacking the system (yes I know the latter is changing, but how many of us on 3mbps DSL want to download 40gb games?)

I haven't "hacked" a PS3, but that's because none of my friends own one. They all own 360's, and Wii's, but not a single PS3. I can tell you that not many PS3 games take up the full size of the Blu-Ray disc. I'd imagine that they're the same size as the 360 games. Which means most games can be burned onto a DVD, or maybe they store the game as an ISO on a hard drive somewhere and just have the PS3 load it. Its been done with other consoles.

The last good console I owned was the GCN/PS2 since then, things have been circling the drain as far as I'm concerned. Part of this I think is simply "the more things it can do, the more things that can break" and "the less proprietary, the more security" (like my comments above, if you dont need a pile of special hardware to hack it, then they'll spend a fortune on software to prevent hacking it) Honestly, as much as I like having these "super consoles" that can do everything, I think the crashes and the updates and such are a rather steep price. I'd rather lose some functionality (do I REALLY need to be able to stream Netflix on 50 devices?) and have a simpler experience.

The #1 reason Xbox 360's get RROD is because of cheap solder used by Microsoft. Seriously, they're using improper rated solder that melts easily to even the Xbox 360's heat. Trust me, I fixed a friends 360 using heat gun, and it worked. Since then, I've been using the heat gun to try and resurrect a lot of broken electronics I have, and it works half the time. You'll find that the Chinese manufacturers did this a lot to save money. Some solder joints were so visibly busted, that I fixed it with a solder pen.

When companies are trying to pack more power and features into a console, that most people refuse to pay more then $300-$400, some corners will be cut. How long was Microsoft and Sony losing money per console?

 

[satsunada]

ok This is the key

They let this guy protect it

This guy got it

and now sonys all

Whipped out the Masters of the Universe eh? I haven't seen that in sooooo long

 

[krotch]

I haven't "hacked" a PS3, but that's because none of my friends own one. They all own 360's, and Wii's, but not a single PS3. I can tell you that not many PS3 games take up the full size of the Blu-Ray disc. I'd imagine that they're the same size as the 360 games. Which means most games can be burned onto a DVD, or maybe they store the game as an ISO on a hard drive somewhere and just have the PS3 load it. Its been done with other consoles.

Actually a lot of games take up the whole blu-ray disc. Course it's usually just multiple copies of a single game thrown on the disc for faster access times.

The #1 reason Xbox 360's get RROD is because of cheap solder used by Microsoft. Seriously, they're using improper rated solder that melts easily to even the Xbox 360's heat. Trust me, I fixed a friends 360 using heat gun, and it worked. Since then, I've been using the heat gun to try and resurrect a lot of broken electronics I have, and it works half the time. You'll find that the Chinese manufacturers did this a lot to save money. Some solder joints were so visibly busted, that I fixed it with a solder pen.

Thank environmentalists for their stupid lead free solder crap that they are trying to push onto companies. Hence the crap solder. Not to mention the heatsink on the GPU is total crap, so it'd cause the solder to melt or the mobo to warp, causing the disconnect.

 

[Merc1138]

Use your PC like you do your console. As in, turn it off after you finish playing games. BAM! Have to update every time you turn it on.

Course a PC has a lot more uses, so there's less downtime for a PC than a console. So it'll constantly be connected and have a chance to grab updates.

Except the problem is that even if I did leave my consoles on they still wouldn't automatically grab updates(well, supposedly the ps3 will if you pay $40 a year for their plus thing).

Also, I'm not required to update my PC to be able to use it with the exception of playing multiplayer games. On consoles you get dumped to the update screen for the game just because you started it, whether or not you want to play multiplayer.

The load the game and just go experience for the PC vs consoles has flipped over the past couple of years and it's precisely why my consoles don't even get used for weeks at a time, it's frustrating and annoying. Even if I did use my consoles more regularly(which would mean I'd be turning them on without needing system updates so often) if I pick a game I haven't played in 6-12 months, more mandatory updates.

I guess you don't remember the days of the old school consoles(16 bit and previous) where you could slam a cartridge in, turn it on, play a game for 5 minutes and go do something else instead without sitting around waiting. Now if I want to play gran turismo 5 it takes 5 minutes just to start a race.

 

[krotch]

Except the problem is that even if I did leave my consoles on they still wouldn't automatically grab updates(well, supposedly the ps3 will if you pay $40 a year for their plus thing).

Also, I'm not required to update my PC to be able to use it with the exception of playing multiplayer games. On consoles you get dumped to the update screen for the game just because you started it, whether or not you want to play multiplayer.

You do know that you can just skip the update, if you aren't going to play online. I've done that a few times with GT5. It won't ask again, unless you get disconnected from PSN, then reconnected.

The load the game and just go experience for the PC vs consoles has flipped over the past couple of years and it's precisely why my consoles don't even get used for weeks at a time, it's frustrating and annoying. Even if I did use my consoles more regularly(which would mean I'd be turning them on without needing system updates so often) if I pick a game I haven't played in 6-12 months, more mandatory updates.

I guess you don't remember the days of the old school consoles(16 bit and previous) where you could slam a cartridge in, turn it on, play a game for 5 minutes and go do something else instead without sitting around waiting. Now if I want to play gran turismo 5 it takes 5 minutes just to start a race.

You do know that you can use your current console like an old school console. Just disconnect it from the network. Viola, no more updating. Just like an old console. No online multiplayer, just like an old console.

There is something I remember about old school consoles. Games with glitches, that never got fixed and you were just stuck with. Ya, wish I could go back to those times.

 

[bfellow]

Disconnecting from multiplayer? That's crazy. Then again trying to play Black Ops without updates is even crazier!

 

[Kenjiwing]

For the people that didnt read the link this has not been cracked yet so sony is kind of winning..

Currently you can no longer run custom firmware on the new version..

 

[krotch]

Hey, if you hate updates, that's a quick way around it. The only updates you have to worry about are firmware ones that come attached with some games.

 

[zero2dash]

Dude you don't understand. If there is a system update available you can't login to PSN or use Netflix until you update. I don't use Netflix on my PS3 very often compared to my usage on my PC which is almost every day.

At least Netflix viewing is free on Ps3, PC and Wii other than paying your membership fee.

Netflix on the 360 requires Live Gold (or Platinum or whatever the hell they renamed it to), so you have to pay for Gold on top of the Netflix membership.

Point being - the grass isn't greener on the other side. I'd rather deal with occasional updates rather than a requirement of paying extra for Gold just to use the Netflix I already pay for.

 

[Ashton]

Point being - the grass isn't greener on the other side. I'd rather deal with occasional updates rather than a requirement of paying extra for Gold just to use the Netflix I already pay for.

That was literally the ONLY thinkg I used GBL gold for... needless to say when I got a PS3 I dumped gold

 

[Merc1138]

You do know that you can just skip the update, if you aren't going to play online. I've done that a few times with GT5. It won't ask again, unless you get disconnected from PSN, then reconnected.



You do know that you can use your current console like an old school console. Just disconnect it from the network. Viola, no more updating. Just like an old console. No online multiplayer, just like an old console.

There is something I remember about old school consoles. Games with glitches, that never got fixed and you were just stuck with. Ya, wish I could go back to those times.

Except they still release buggy games that may or may not get fixed for months, when old console glitches were rare(obviously things have become more complex these days, but a lot of developers release clearly incomplete software far too often now).

And that's a great idea, now I just need to remember to disconnect my console from the router when I want to be sure it's not going to bother me about updates

So you're ok with publishers treating customers like criminals with copy protection(that always gets cracked anyway), hassling them with updates that get cracked within hours, and releasing buggy software earlier than they should because they have the ability to patch it after people have already paid money for it. If they bent you over and had their way with you, would you be alright with that too?

 

[krotch]

Except they still release buggy games that may or may not get fixed for months, when old console glitches were rare(obviously things have become more complex these days, but a lot of developers release clearly incomplete software far too often now).

All games are released buggy. They just didn't fix them back in the old days. They were never big enough bugs to require a fix or they simply didn't care. Much like games of today. Buy any PS3, 360, or Wii game today and tell me that any of them aren't playable without an update.

Nowadays your updates tend to be nothing more than either adding content or balancing the game for multiplayer. Hell, the 1.05 update for GT5 was nothing but content addition, all free. Old consoles? That would have been a new game for $50.

And that's a great idea, now I just need to remember to disconnect my console from the router when I want to be sure it's not going to bother me about updates

You love old consoles so much, treat your new one just like an old one. Act like it can't connect online at all and never plug it into your router.

So you're ok with publishers treating customers like criminals with copy protection(that always gets cracked anyway), hassling them with updates that get cracked within hours, and releasing buggy software earlier than they should because they have the ability to patch it after people have already paid money for it. If they bent you over and had their way with you, would you be alright with that too?

Who ever likes copy protection? But guess what. We've been dealing with it for how long now? 20 years? 30 years?

I personally don't have a problem with updates. It's what? 99% of those updates fix system instability, add user content, or anti-cheat for PSN or XBL. Hell even those copy protection updates are thrown in with added user content updates.

As for buggy software, think you need to look up NES bugs, glitches, etc. Hardly rare.

 

[nobody_here]

At least Netflix viewing is free on Ps3, PC and Wii other than paying your membership fee.

Netflix on the 360 requires Live Gold (or Platinum or whatever the hell they renamed it to), so you have to pay for Gold on top of the Netflix membership.

Point being - the grass isn't greener on the other side. I'd rather deal with occasional updates rather than a requirement of paying extra for Gold just to use the Netflix I already pay for.

you missed the point entirely. A 360 is the worst possible way to get the Netflix you already pay for.....so don't buy a 360 just from streaming Netflix....duh....

There's Roku, WDTV Live Plus.....and plenty of dedicated BluRay players and HDTV's with native Netflix support for a ton less $$$ and they don't require any subscriptions beyond what you already pay for Netflix......

So to be down on the 360 because its an expensive way to stream Netflix......is completely missing the point. I pay for Netflix, I get it on our PC's, the Wii, and the 360. The 360 has XBL Gold. It would have gold either way and we would have Netflix either way....I guess they figure most people who pay for Netflix and have a 360 would also have XBL Gold....and wouldn't care.....which I think is a safe assumption. People who own a Wii or Roku for instance are a different crowd usually whom even if it was available would probably not pay for an additional service.

 

[PewPewBangBang]

lol it was hacked in a day......and they have a lawsuit or w/e against Geohot

 

[zero2dash]

you missed the point entirely

No, you missed the point entirely.
KENNYB is bitching about the Ps3 having too frequent of updates interrupting his Netflix watching.

I made a solid valid point - which was at least it's free on the Ps3, and the Wii.
You have to pay to use Netflix on the 360. It's not available to everyone.
Guy shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. At least he's not paying for it. He doesn't have to pay for PSN+ to use Netflix on the Ps3.

I have a 360, I have Live Gold. When my plan is up I'm not going to renew for Netflix but that's beside the point. The point is ~ he's bitching about something that at least it's free on the console he's using it. It could be worse.

 

[nobody_here]

Well then I did misunderstand, I even read your post three times....LOL

If he used it more often than once a month or whatever....it wouldn't be every time he used it...LOL. I tried to tell him that

 

[Cool1Net6]

...I get home from work, and maybe every couple of weeks decide to play a game on a console. Turn everything on, pop the disc in and... update...

Even if it's only 5 minutes, by the time it's done I barely want to play anymore because I'm already more irritated than I was after a long day at work. It was nice when the idea of updating the firmware on a console didn't even exist. I could just turn the thing on and play. Plus when it isn't a firmware update for the console, the game developers put out updates, some of which are a few hundred megs, and may take forever to install even after downloading.

I get a better gaming experience out of my PC these days since 9 times out of 10 all I have to do is load the game and I'm playing...

I'm another with a PS3 that always seems to take 15 minutes for every update, regardless of what it is. Like Merc, I get so annoyed it makes me not want to play the darn thing! PS3's also have this nagging problem of installing every game. A game on the 360 would run strait from the disc. A game on the PS3 needs to take half an hour (or hours if your GTA4 or GT5) to install several different parts before you get to play, and loads no faster than the 360 version of the same game!

But I'm just bitching at this point...

-Cool-

 

[nobody_here]

That would be irritating! How come I ne er hear about this when people are trying to convince someone the PS3 is the console to buy? Lol

 

[krotch]

I'm another with a PS3 that always seems to take 15 minutes for every update, regardless of what it is. Like Merc, I get so annoyed it makes me not want to play the darn thing! PS3's also have this nagging problem of installing every game. A game on the 360 would run strait from the disc. A game on the PS3 needs to take half an hour (or hours if your GTA4 or GT5) to install several different parts before you get to play, and loads no faster than the 360 version of the same game!

But I'm just bitching at this point...

-Cool-

Most new games don't require install anymore. GTA4 did require it, but GT5 doesn't. The point of the installs was due to the slow blu-ray drives on the original PS3s. They've worked different ways around that problem now, like multiple copies of the game on a single disc.

GTA4 and GT5 installs took me 15 mins. Maybe you need to get a faster hdd for your PS3 or something. I use a 7200 rpm drive in my PS3 and am contemplating on going with an SSD for it.

 

[venomous42]

i need to show my son this

 

[krotch]

For what? The pros and cons of PCs, PS3s, and 360s?

 

[zero2dash]

I'm another with a PS3 that always seems to take 15 minutes for every update, regardless of what it is.

Most people say they think the update servers are slow; I haven't seen anything but anecdotal evidence of this but I'd have to say that's a correct assumption because they ARE slow and it does take a lot longer for Ps3 system updates to DL and install than it does 360 updates.

 

[Merc1138]

All games are released buggy. They just didn't fix them back in the old days. They were never big enough bugs to require a fix or they simply didn't care. Much like games of today. Buy any PS3, 360, or Wii game today and tell me that any of them aren't playable without an update.

Nowadays your updates tend to be nothing more than either adding content or balancing the game for multiplayer. Hell, the 1.05 update for GT5 was nothing but content addition, all free. Old consoles? That would have been a new game for $50.



You love old consoles so much, treat your new one just like an old one. Act like it can't connect online at all and never plug it into your router.



Who ever likes copy protection? But guess what. We've been dealing with it for how long now? 20 years? 30 years?

I personally don't have a problem with updates. It's what? 99% of those updates fix system instability, add user content, or anti-cheat for PSN or XBL. Hell even those copy protection updates are thrown in with added user content updates.

As for buggy software, think you need to look up NES bugs, glitches, etc. Hardly rare.

Ok, so you ARE satisfied with buggy garbage software, frequent system updates that have a chance and ruining all of your game data, horrible copy protection schemes, etc. If you enjoy the industry giving you the finger as you hand them your money, good for you. I'm not satisfied with it. I do not accept the excuses, because the hardware and software developers can both do better and we all know it.