Microsoft CEO: EQ Trumps IQ In the Long Run

[HoffY]

I suppose you can call it brown nosing if you want. It's just logical reality. If you don't realize this, the you are lacking in both Qs..

No need to resort to personal attacks. That just shows you are lacking in both Qs (and D[ecency]).

I just find it.... interesting... that people seem to think "rising up the ranks" and "motivate other people" are somehow more important things over and above the ACTUAL PEOPLE DOING THE IMPORTANT THINGS. How's that for logical reality?

 

[Taco]

No need to resort to personal attacks. That just shows you are lacking in both Qs (and D[ecency]).

I just find it.... interesting... that people seem to think "rising up the ranks" and "motivate other people" are somehow more important things over and above the ACTUAL PEOPLE DOING THE IMPORTANT THINGS. How's that for logical reality?

Because one can drive dozens of people towards a larger goal. The other can drive 1 person towards a 1 person goal. Even if that 1 person is fantastic, it's going to have a smaller business impact and their position in the company will reflect that. I'm not sure how you aren't understanding that.

Again, I'm not devaluing the individual contributor down to zero, they are still extremely important. No one is saying a high IQ/low EQ person is going to lead a shit life of unemployment.

 

[Taco]

And actually, in case I totally missed your point on the "more important". I'm not trying to speak to what every single individual finds important. I'm just saying if you want to move up the ranks EQ is a requirement. I'm certainly not saying you should want to or that you have to value climbing the ladder. You can get paid a lot of money and/or just be happy in life being excellent as an independent contributor.

But if all you do is whine about the fact that other people are getting promoted when your not, you are probably missing the larger picture in more ways than one. Not saying that's necessarily you specifically, but there are certainly people in this thread and in this world that just don't get it. Being great at doing a task doesn't mean you will be great at getting others to do tasks. You shouldn't undervalue that skill set, even if it looks easy from the outside.

 

[BillNutz]

In today's global market, you need both... you can't just rely on 1.
Having a high EQ will allow you to communicate to a more diverse cultures with differing values.
Both Q has a ceiling, and you'll need to develop the other to overcome that ceiling.

As you rise up the ranks and into upper management, EQ becomes more important since that's all you'll be doing most of the time; politics.

 

[wtourist]

Murphy rules, you can get the brightest people, or complete EQ genius, or both.
Results are problematical.
Karl Marx preached socialism and got Communism, in murderous excess.
Ideas and leaders come before, after, and in their time.
Some successful leaders have zero EQ.
Most corporate CEOs are less than stellar IQs, decision making can be easier for less intensive intellect.

 

[Phoenix333]

Not what is being claimed at all.

You're kidding, right? You really need me to explain this? OK, here goes....

In the video, everyone is discussing strategy, planning on how to deal with a difficult situation. One guy is away, heating up some food during all this. He comes back during their strategy discussion, and goes charging gung-ho into battle, getting himself and everyone else killed as a result... and at the end he's completely fine with it, stating "at least I have chicken". Hence the "LEEEEROYYYY JENKINSSSS!!" battlecry becoming synonymous with gung-ho stupidity.

The moral of this is that just because someone is passionate about what they do doesn't make up for them being a complete idiot, and no amount of corporate feel-good PR bullshit is ever going to change that.

 

[Tawnos]

You're kidding, right? You really need me to explain this? OK, here goes....

In the video, everyone is discussing strategy, planning on how to deal with a difficult situation. One guy is away, heating up some food during all this. He comes back during their strategy discussion, and goes charging gung-ho into battle, getting himself and everyone else killed as a result... and at the end he's completely fine with it, stating "at least I have chicken". Hence the "LEEEEROYYYY JENKINSSSS!!" battlecry becoming synonymous with gung-ho stupidity.

The moral of this is that just because someone is passionate about what they do doesn't make up for them being a complete idiot, and no amount of corporate feel-good PR bullshit is ever going to change that.

Have I said that being passionate makes up for being a complete idiot? Did Nadella?

In the part of my reply you omitted, I acknowledged intelligence is a factor in success. However, it's not the only factor, and sheer intelligence is generally less important in the long-run than the ability to work with others.

 

[Phoenix333]

Have I said that being passionate makes up for being a complete idiot? Did Nadella?

I never said you did. As for Nadella... Corporate gobbledygook is corporate gobbledygook.

In the part of my reply you omitted, I acknowledged intelligence is a factor in success. However, it's not the only factor, and sheer intelligence is generally less important in the long-run than the ability to work with others.

Only if the job requires a team effort. If it's a primarily solo task, and it's along the lines of rocket science or nuclear physics, intelligence is going to be a deciding factor.

Maybe I'm a bit biased on this since, being the one and only Phoenix, I typically don't have to work with anyone, but to me, the human species puts far too much importance on likeability and popularity than ability and competence. If you want evidence to support this claim, look no further than who you elect to positions of leadership. A likeable fool that works well with others is still a fool. An intelligent person that works well with others is the best choice, but how often do you find that combination in your species' breeding? Is a pity.

 

[SGA76]

I think Nadella's speech would have went over better if he just ran from one side of the stage to the other then out the building while screaming LEROY JENKINS!!!!!!

 

[elddjoc]

Well it does take skill to make others happily do your work for you, while you watch down from on high - working 12 hour days with a glass of champagne, a twenty something college blonde secretary tending to your needs in the penthouse office with its own bar fridge.

 

[Tawnos]

I never said you did. As for Nadella... Corporate gobbledygook is corporate gobbledygook.



Only if the job requires a team effort. If it's a primarily solo task, and it's along the lines of rocket science or nuclear physics, intelligence is going to be a deciding factor.

0.o neither of those are solo efforts.

Maybe I'm a bit biased on this since, being the one and only Phoenix,

Guys, gals...should we tell it?

Uh, Phoenix, you're not the first, you're the three hundred and thirty third. An early batch, certainly, but many have come before and followed.

 

[Phoenix333]

0.o neither of those are solo efforts.

If you want to nitpick, go ahead. I'm not really much for wanting to argue. I prefer to have fun pointing out absurdities.

Uh, Phoenix, you're not the first, you're the three hundred and thirty third. An early batch, certainly, but many have come before and followed.

*shrug* I can't help it if a lot of people want to use my name. I'd like to see them try the whole rising from your own ashes after setting yourself on fire part though. I have yet to see any other creature besides myself succeed in that, but let's not make this about me, shall we? As much as you may wish to bask in my glory, I'd hate to derail the thread. It would be impolite of me.