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Bought a x5670. Hopefully it'll work as a quick drop in replacement for my bad clocking 920 - poor stepping. I sure could use a few extra GHz right now.
long as you have a decent mb and cooler...you be hitting 4400mhz no problem...its just a question of proper bios settings imo getting 200blck @ (22x) stable...if you list your mb...someone can chime in whats worked for them if you have issues..if you own an asus mb i can set you up very easily...someone else would have to help with different vendor possibly
My computer right now:
Asus P6T Deluxe V1
CORSAIR HX3X12G1333C9 12GB PC3-10666 (DDR3-1333) - 6 sticks x 2GB.
Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme
Current bios is version 1003, I've downloaded 2209 and plan on installing it here in the next 2 days. Crossing my fingers nothing bad happens.
Been forever since I've messed with the overclocking. I'd like to keep the hyperthreading turned on and Turbo working if possible. 4GHz would be nice. Anything will be a nice upgrade.
>1.35v qpi is bad for gulftowns.
Been running that voltage for close to year now and totally stable and cool....keep in mind its actually shows up as around 1.336 in windows...if trying much higher than this then the heat is hard to manage...i believe a few others here are actually running a tad higher here...if im not mistaken i was running very close to that on my old 920 for 5 years and never had an issuelol
you are right...the lower the better if possible...i should probably put some time into trying to see how much i can lower it without loosing any stability..but imo its not a bad starting point to find the best overclock
Ah, it's because you have LLC on Auto and not Full that you're getting droop.
920 is BLOOMFIELD, not GULFTOWN. The difference is bloomfield is 45nm transistors, and gulftown is 32nm. Smaller transistors cannot handle the same amount of voltage or heat. You're playing a different game now with different equipment.
Another difference is gulftown responds really well to LLC, while bloomfield did not.
Bottom line, I've been playing the 32nm game for 4 years and I've seen HUNDREDS of chips die because people exceeded the 1.35v limit, and if you take the time to look for _gulftown_ overclocking guides, you'll notice they ALL say to never exceed 1.35v due to killing random channels of your IMC.
The thing you should be concerned with with LLC set to Auto is if your _idle_ QPI voltage is still below 1.35v real.
And yes, I always advocate using the absolute lowest voltages possible!
ok im a little confused....are we saying the QPI/Dram 1.4 core voltage is too high as well?
Also, for the record, I myself have damaged two gulftown cpus with high volts. My first 970 and my first 980x both suffered premature deaths because I gave them too much juice. It really hurt, because at the time that was like $1500 in 'shit i voided my warranty' losses.
was able to drop the v core 1 tick down and still pass...but i couldn't go 2 as it would crash during test...so i updated the original post with the lower passing voltage of 1.34...if i do get any crashes ill know just to raise it back up another tick...cause crashes are not something im used to getting...another reason i have kept this board so long...the x58 is the most stable board i ever owned
CPU VTT/Uncore(or as asus calls it, QPI/DRAM) voltage powers the IMC. This is precisely why people see their IMC's dying/losing memory channels/degrading when they raise this value too high.My qpi voltage is 1.225. I haven't tested lower yet. I'd be surprised if you need 1.3V for any Westmere at 200bclk. This is the Uncore voltage, which is everything except the 'core' and IMC. Idk why they even labelled it DRAM, except the L3 runs at twice the clock.
I've also never found increasing the differential amplitude to be useful. Even at extreme speeds it didn't seem to do anything.CPU differential amp may or may not help. Pulse height(strength) is really only if your cpu needs it. 800mv is 30% higher than the stock 610mv, and that's all going into heat.
Right, it IS intel's spec to allow for voltage droop. What the spec is, and what actually works, however, are two completely different things. I would consider a 4GHz overclock 'on the top end of mild' and wouldn't require LLC. When you're shooting for 4.5+ it becomes noticeably helpful.I don't like using Load Line Calibration myself. I have it off. If you have it set at say, 1.35V, when you load and unload the processor there are still voltage dips/spikes so you'll have the range of 1.28-1.42V but only for a small time, which is what Intel's specification accounts for(and LLC goes against).
I would be surprised to see any Westmere overclocked running 12 threads load at DDR3-2000(+) with much less than ~1.3v VTT (qpi/dram).
Some corrections to your understanding:
CPU VTT/Uncore(or as asus calls it, QPI/DRAM) voltage powers the IMC. This is precisely why people see their IMC's dying/losing memory channels/degrading when they raise this value too high.
I've also never found increasing the differential amplitude to be useful. Even at extreme speeds it didn't seem to do anything.
I found PWM frequency to be more useful, it allowed me to reach 5.6GHz at 750kHz, and I run 500kHz for my everyday overclock. 1000kHz was not useful to my watercooling - but may be with LN2.
DRAM voltage affects the IMC and can ruin it because it affects the input voltage supplied by the DRAM bus to the IMC.I keep flip flopping back and forth on it. It makes sense that it would be all of the uncore and the Dram voltage is for the DIMMs only(but still has an effect on Intel's controller?).
Ah, I assumed you would have the same options as my Rampage 3 Extreme, another ASUS board. I also have the ability to lower my PLL below 1.8v, all the way down to 1.2v even, but 1.35v works best for me for some reason...I guess the asus bios doesn't have PWM. It looks like a higher frequency would actually control voltage better. This looks like it'd be a useful setting with LLC.
Ah, I assumed you would have the same options as my Rampage 3 Extreme, another ASUS board. I also have the ability to lower my PLL below 1.8v, all the way down to 1.2v even, but 1.35v works best for me for some reason...
My computer right now:
Asus P6T Deluxe V1
CORSAIR HX3X12G1333C9 12GB PC3-10666 (DDR3-1333) - 6 sticks x 2GB.
Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme
Current bios is version 1003, I've downloaded 2209 and plan on installing it here in the next 2 days. Crossing my fingers nothing bad happens.
Been forever since I've messed with the overclocking. I'd like to keep the hyperthreading turned on and Turbo working if possible. 4GHz would be nice. Anything will be a nice upgrade.
I totally forgot you could just adjust the dram freq to work with the slower ram and use the same overclock settings (actually at these settings the ram be slightly under clocked for what its worth)
course its been mentioned the voltages are not safe...maybe there not idk....but its the same ones i been using since my 5639 chip...but i only had it for less than a year
if your board behaves like mine this will give you 4400mhz stable imo...and just so you know we can select 24x but it throttles down to 22x anyway at full load across all threads...you could get the turbo by selecting auto but its just for one or two threads anyway and i don't honestly believe our chips are stable above 4400mhz anyway.....even at these high voltages....i had no luck at even 4500mhz so i figure fuck it
You should be fine as long as youre staying under 70C. What kind of cooling are you using?
thats what i was afraid off...guess ill ditch HWMonitor PRO at least for accurate CPU temps....no crashes or failures yet..but i got to cool things off before i have a melt down..at least while gaming bf4 it hardly stresses the CPU and never gets above 35 degrees if that.....Zoson ....what you do anything different than what came to mind?CoreTemp reads the internal thermal diodes built into your cpu cores.
thats what i was afraid off...guess ill ditch HWMonitor PRO at least for accurate CPU temps....no crashes or failures yet..but i got to cool things off before i have a melt down..at least while gaming bf4 it hardly stresses the CPU and never gets above 35 degrees if that.....Zoson ....what you do anything different than what came to mind?
I think you're limited by your cooling. Replacing the TIM might help a little, but really nothing that will help get the temp drop you need. I'd lower your voltage and clockspeed. You might find you can drop vCore significantly at 4.2ghz.
The custom 200mm rad loop is a good idea if you really want to stay at 4.4/go higher. If you can spend a little more on the CPU block, you should consider the swiftech apogee drive 2. It uses an MCP35x as the pump, and a base that's just a lightly modified version of their high-end block. $20 also gets you an MCRes micro(the little box res in my system).
On my MB the x5670 @ 4.2GHz I just run everything on Auto and everything turned on... which I think is pretty much what Prime was getting as well. I too had heating problems with the H90 cpu cooler but it wasn't too bad I just want my system to go as fast without noise which @ 4.2 it is.
On an interesting idea... have you heard of anyone stacking cpu coolers? I spoke to some guy who said he saw 2 water cooling blocks stacked... the first one was obviosly a hand made block but an interesting idea though.
I have seen a water block that had 2 water paths through it and ran 2 seperate water pumps at the Uni many years ago and again all hand made.