Chris Beard Named CEO of Mozilla

When did "marriage" become a right again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia established the freedom to get marriage as a constitutionally protected.


Regardless of how you classify it, letting gay people get married doesn't affect you. Therefore actively engaging the political process to campaign against it, is at best done out of ignorance and at worst intentional discrimination.
 
Gay marriage and polygamy are both non-traditional (in the US at least) sexually deviant behaviors that a large portion of the population considers morally questionable. Yes, in that way they are exactly the same.

lol ok.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia established the freedom to get marriage as a constitutionally protected.

Regardless of how you classify it, letting gay people get married doesn't affect you.
Pedophilia doesn't affect me directly either, as I'm not a child so I can't be victimized. And protecting marriage as a constitutional right would have no bearing on gays whatsoever, unless you redefine marriage to no longer mean the union of a man and woman to "a man or woman or a man and a man or a woman and a woman that like each other", and while you're at it the polygamists can chime in that it should be redefined as "a man or men and woman or women that like each other". Oh wait, I forgot, one is unquestionably morally sound and the other is not, because militant left wingers say so. :)
 
No common sense in this thread. For those of you who are swinging mud at both sides:

- Government does not need to define what marriage is. The world will keep turning without definition of marriage at the government level.

LOL. So government doesn't need to define what marriage is? This is common sense?

So what about tax laws, estate laws, disability, social security benefits, medical and death decisions, housing, etc that are all tied in to the concept of marriage/partnership/civil unions?

What about the divorce and the division of properties?
 
What really bothers me about this whole situation is the reaction of many people after Prop 8.

A lot of people had objections to gay marriage for various moral or religious reasons, with a minority of those people being haters. Being against gay marriage was a mainstream view at one time. Obama and Hillary were against it.

Attitudes changed over time, and Prop 8 proved that what had been a minority viewpoint was now accepted as a mainstream view. That's how a democracy is supposed to work.

Gay marriage supporters didn't just win the battle in California, the entire war is over. Court decision after court decision has overturned bans on gay marriage, and for all practical purposes there isn't a anti gay marriage movement anymore. There are some people beating a dead horse, but that's to be expected.

Most people who were against gay marriage have accepted that. They may still have personal convictions that it's wrong, but they have accepted that as matter of public policy it's all over.

What I can't understand is some pro gay marriage proponents aren't satisfied with changing public policy. Winning is not enough, they feel that it necessary to exact retribution to anyone who opposed their point of view.

That's just plain ugly, and is contrary to having a civil society. Are people so afraid of diversity of opinion that can't even imagine working and living with others that might not have the same values on social issues?
 
Attitudes changed over time, and Prop 8 proved that what had been a minority viewpoint was now accepted as a mainstream view. That's how a democracy is supposed to work.
Either that, or McCarthyism is alive and well. People learn to keep their mouths shut and their opinions to themselves, because it simply isn't worth the risk.

If a tech industry CEO can lose his job over it, and a business as big and hugely popular as Chick-Fil-A even get boycotted over it, it creates an environment of fear where the silent majority learns to keep silent or have their lives ruined. Hell, even our celebrities remind us again and again from something as simple as a random comment made in anger. Did you see Jonah Hill sweating on Fallon show on TV? The guy was sweating so hard and groveling you could tell he genuinely felt that it was the biggest threat his career ever faced. Fear is a powerful tool a minority can use to silence a majority.
 
Either that, or McCarthyism is alive and well. People learn to keep their mouths shut and their opinions to themselves, because it simply isn't worth the risk.

If a tech industry CEO can lose his job over it, and a business as big and hugely popular as Chick-Fil-A even get boycotted over it, it creates an environment of fear where the silent majority learns to keep silent or have their lives ruined. Hell, even our celebrities remind us again and again from something as simple as a random comment made in anger. Did you see Jonah Hill sweating on Fallon show on TV? The guy was sweating so hard and groveling you could tell he genuinely felt that it was the biggest threat his career ever faced. Fear is a powerful tool a minority can use to silence a majority.

You're mad at the public for having opinions? Boycotting a company, shareholders kicking a CEO out, and setting legal precedent to blacklist and jail suspected "communists" aren't close to the same thing. Nobody is trying to round up and prosecute people who are against gay marriage. McCarthy was a senator, not the public.

Yes, public perception of an actor IS the biggest threat to his career. It is his career.
 
Pedophilia doesn't affect me directly either, as I'm not a child so I can't be victimized.
Consensual gay marriage is victim-less. You are trying to limit the freedom of people, when it doesn't affect you, and has no victims.

And protecting marriage as a constitutional right would have no bearing on gays whatsoever, unless you redefine marriage[...]
Um no, did you even read the case that I linked? Marriage *was* defined in those states as being between two people of the same race. The supreme court ruled that marriage was a protected right under the 14th amendment and therefore could not defined as such. Constitutional rights override legislated law.

I forgot, one is unquestionably morally sound and the other is not
Just so I can understand your position correctly, do you object to gay marriage because you think it is immoral?
 
You're mad at the public for having opinions? Boycotting a company, shareholders kicking a CEO out, and setting legal precedent to blacklist and jail suspected "communists" aren't close to the same thing. Nobody is trying to round up and prosecute people who are against gay marriage. McCarthy was a senator, not the public.

Yes, public perception of an actor IS the biggest threat to his career. It is his career.

The difference is that in the past, companies didn't make snap judgments like Mozilla. Instead of actually taking time to analyze the situation, as soon as they hear "homophobe", they jump ten feet in the air. This is not due to any actual public outcry, but simply a reaction to media noise.
 
You're mad at the public for having opinions? Boycotting a company, shareholders kicking a CEO out, and setting legal precedent to blacklist and jail suspected "communists" aren't close to the same thing.

Yet, in the end it is pretty much the same thing. The value of your work is not measured, it's your conformance to a particular belief system.

Once you start saying I can't work with that person or buy that product because the person I'm dealing with doesn't have the same values as I do, you've pretty much admitted that diversity of ideas is bullshit.
 
The difference is that in the past, companies didn't make snap judgments like Mozilla. Instead of actually taking time to analyze the situation, as soon as they hear "homophobe", they jump ten feet in the air. This is not due to any actual public outcry, but simply a reaction to media noise.

Yea, which is Mozilla being Mozilla, not any witch hunt against traditional conservatives.

I honestly gave zero shits when the story broke about his political donations. Not my business what he donates to.
 
The difference is that in the past, companies didn't make snap judgments like Mozilla. Instead of actually taking time to analyze the situation, as soon as they hear "homophobe", they jump ten feet in the air. This is not due to any actual public outcry, but simply a reaction to media noise.

LOL, how about homophone? :D

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/58236366-90/says-english-homophones-language.html.csp

Homophones, as any English grammarian can tell you, are words that sound the same but have different meanings and often different spellings — such as be and bee, through and threw, which and witch, their and there.

This concept is taught early on to foreign students learning English because it can be confusing to someone whose native language does not have that feature.

But when the social-media specialist for a private Provo-based English language learning center wrote a blog explaining homophones, he was let go for creating the perception that the school promoted a gay agenda.
 
Yea, which is Mozilla being Mozilla, not any witch hunt against traditional conservatives.

It's far from the only example, and has been going on for a while. I'm a little surprised that you seem to imply otherwise.
 
Yet, in the end it is pretty much the same thing. The value of your work is not measured, it's your conformance to a particular belief system.

Once you start saying I can't work with that person or buy that product because the person I'm dealing with doesn't have the same values as I do, you've pretty much admitted that diversity of ideas is bullshit.

Yea, and? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything. That's the reality, people are intolerant of others' beliefs, whether they are progressive or conservative.
 
Yet, in the end it is pretty much the same thing. The value of your work is not measured, it's your conformance to a particular belief system.
Publicly traded companies generally don't tolerate CEOs who donate to discriminatory causes.

I'm bet if we brainstormed we could find a sufficiently unsavory cause which we both agree is reasonable grounds for dismissal.
 
You're mad at the public for having opinions?
I just championed the idea that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and the opinions are valid based on people's different beliefs and moral compass. Having an opinion and trying to destroy someone's livelihood or business because their opinion differs from yours are two different things.

Its the difference between saying "I think homosexuality is gross" and firing someone that works at your office because they were in a pride parade. One is an opinion, the other is just mean and vindictive douchebaggery, the current tool of the militant left-winger evangelists.

Remember, liberals believe in freedom of speech, unless it offends them! :D
 
Publicly traded companies generally don't tolerate CEOs who donate to discriminatory causes.

It's not a discriminatory cause, no matter how much you like to say that. That's the equivalent of saying being pro-gun rights is a violent cause, or that being pro-choice is a baby murdering cause. The shamelessness of your rhetoric is staggering.
 
Its the difference between saying "I think homosexuality is gross" and firing someone that works at your office because they were in a pride parade.
He didn't say "homosexuality is gross". He donated to a group campaigning against gay marriage. That makes him an active participant in the discrimination.
 
I just championed the idea that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and the opinions are valid based on people's different beliefs and moral compass. Having an opinion and trying to destroy someone's livelihood or business because their opinion differs from yours are two different things.

Its the difference between saying "I think homosexuality is gross" and firing someone that works at your office because they were in a pride parade. One is an opinion, the other is just mean and vindictive douchebaggery, the current tool of the militant left-winger evangelists.

Remember, liberals believe in freedom of speech, unless it offends them! :D

Of course. It's also a two way street, both sides do the same thing.

In the case of a celebrity or a CEO, there are different rules to play by. You are the public face of your income, if that income becomes threatened by something you say or do, you go away. Now, if it were a regular employee of a company, there is lo legal way to fire them for donating to this cause. Or for going to a pride parade.

Both sides have tried to destroy business and livelihood of the opposing viewpoint holder. That's life. It sucks, it's rude, it may not be fair. Boycotting based on political or moral grounds isn't illegal. Neither is spreading propaganda against companies, unless it is libel or slander.
 
That's the equivalent of saying being pro-gun rights is a violent cause, or that being pro-choice is a baby murdering cause. The shamelessness of your rhetoric is staggering.

But this is how many see these issues. If life begins at conception as most anti-abortion believers profess then by that definition abortion is technically murder.
 
Both sides have tried to destroy business and livelihood of the opposing viewpoint holder. That's life. It sucks, it's rude, it may not be fair. Boycotting based on political or moral grounds isn't illegal. Neither is spreading propaganda against companies, unless it is libel or slander.

I haven't seen anyone yet arguing for the outlawing of boycotts, so how is the legality germane? Something doesn't need to illegal to be a danger to society.
 
But this is how many see these issues. If life begins at conception as most anti-abortion believers profess then by that definition abortion is technically murder.

So what? Should we now rely on fanatical and emotional rhetoric rather than reason?
 
I haven't seen anyone yet arguing for the outlawing of boycotts, so how is the legality germane? Something doesn't need to illegal to be a danger to society.

I guess I'm missing your point. What's your issue and what's the solution?
 
I guess I'm missing your point. What's your issue and what's the solution?

Um, speaking out against this type of behavior rather than excusing it solely on the basis of legality? Openly carrying rifles on your back is entirely legal in the places where it's being done but I see very few voices saying "it's legal, so stop complaining".
 
You don't know what freedom of speech is. He still has the legal right to communicate his opinion.

Of course he has legal right to freedom of speech. But if the culture of freedom of speech has changed to where unpopular opinions cannot be said anymore because of fear of consequences, what does that legal right matter ?

There was a time not too long ago when speaking in support of gay rights was dangerous to your person and your career. It was considered an extreme position, you were considered to be supporting a deviant lifestyle, and it was not at all unusual to be shunned and lose your job. Oh, you had a legal First Amendment right to speak, but you paid for it. Some people had the moral courage to not give up the fight, and here we are today.

How can anyone look at that history and not see the irony of today's "progressives" using the same shameful tactics?
 
Um, speaking out against this type of behavior rather than excusing it solely on the basis of legality? Openly carrying rifles on your back is entirely legal in the places where it's being done but I see very few voices saying "it's legal, so stop complaining".

Like I said earlier, I wasn't being sarcastic.

So, you're are pointing out that progressives are hypocrites? Well, no shit :D
OK, that was a bit sarcastic.
 
People that believe what I believe are good people.
People who don't believe what I believe are just scum worse than Hitler.
:)
 
Like I said earlier, I wasn't being sarcastic.

So, you're are pointing out that progressives are hypocrites? Well, no shit :D
OK, that was a bit sarcastic.

Well, when Twitter's new CEO is ousted because it was found that, a decade ago, they gave to a pro-gay marriage outfit, then it'll be a bit less incredulous to claim that it's just business-as-usual for both sides. I don't recall people's careers being targeted over abortion, gun control, global warming, or any of the other contentious issues of the day. There is a quite discernible pattern.
 
Of course he has legal right to freedom of speech.
Great. I wanted to clear that up.


But if the culture of freedom of speech has changed to where unpopular opinions cannot be said anymore because of fear of consequences, what does that legal right matter ?
It matters more than ever then. That's the whole point of freedom of speech: no matter how critically society is judging you, you still enjoy the full protections of the law.
 
Of course. It's also a two way street, both sides do the same thing.
I've never heard of conservatives organizing boycotts of popular retail stores en masse or trying to get CEOs fired because of their liberal beliefs or have a celebrity forced to lose his career or grovel in front of the public apologizing for some left-winger silly comment (hell Rosie O'Donnel and most of that cast .

The only cases I've seen have been very small scale and fringe extremists, like the people that boycott in front of abortion clinics or the Westboro Baptists protesting at gay funerals. And that too is definitely douchebaggery, but so not the norm. The militant left-wingers seem to outnumber them thousands to one, and feel very much justified in destroying anyone that disagrees with their opinions.

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I've never heard of conservatives organizing boycotts of popular retail stores en masse or trying to get CEOs fired because of their liberal beliefs or have a celebrity forced to lose his career or grovel in front of the public apologizing for some left-winger silly comment (hell Rosie O'Donnel and most of that cast .

It's usually hardcore social conservatives/Christian conservatives that raise a stink, though I do remember, a few years ago, a number of boycotts of businesses that removed their advertising from Rush Limbaugh's and Glenn Beck's programming, though it really never gained much steam or got much of any reaction from the companies. There's also always been the "buy American" movement, though I think that's pretty much nonpartisan at this point. Conservatives in general, however, are not particularly boycott-happy. In my experience they're more likely to attempt to contact an organization or company to express their frustrations. Liberals tend to dismiss that as useless.
 
It's usually hardcore social conservatives/Christian conservatives that raise a stink, though I do remember, a few years ago, a number of boycotts of businesses that removed their advertising from Rush Limbaugh's and Glenn Beck's programming, though it really never gained much steam or got much of any reaction from the companies. There's also always been the "buy American" movement, though I think that's pretty much nonpartisan at this point. Conservatives in general, however, are not particularly boycott-happy. In my experience they're more likely to attempt to contact an organization or company to express their frustrations. Liberals tend to dismiss that as useless.

There was the Girl Scout and Boy Scout boycott, the AFA and all their mess, the Firefox boycott.

Militant UC Berkley progressives do seem to be better at rabble rousing and being persistent, though. They are very much more aggressive and hypocritical.
 
feel very much justified in destroying anyone that disagrees with their opinions.
You are trying very hard to reduce this to a result of *any* disagreement. You are also suggesting that this person ['s life] was "destroyed". Neither of these are true.

This is a response to the CEO actively engaging in discrimination. Nobody is "destroying" people over any old disagreement; it is a very specific response.

Discriminating against people in your private life can justifiably lead to your employer dropping you; particularly for such a public position.
 
LOL. So government doesn't need to define what marriage is? This is common sense?

So what about tax laws, estate laws, disability, social security benefits, medical and death decisions, housing, etc that are all tied in to the concept of marriage/partnership/civil unions?

You can treat everyone as an individual. How individuals interact with each other, it's up to them. If they start to live together, they come into an agreement. What that agreement is, again, it's up to them.

If there are no financial agreements and two individuals part ways, you can treat assets of each as before the joint living arrangement. Nothing changed.

What about the divorce and the division of properties?

If there is no marriage, there is no divorce.
 
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