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lcpiper said:
Even this underestimates the risks.

It would seem that many of the email addresses were .gov and .mil domains. Now these don't mean for certain that Government Officials and Service Members used these credentials. Military civilian contractors and even retirees get these kind of email addresses and I am sure there are others as far flunk as the government is. But with the numbers involved, there probably will be some that are. Some of them may even hold sensative positions and security clearances. They could be subjects of blackmail or other threats, they could be targeted successfully knowing that they have certain weaknesses.

This could cause great damage to completely innocent Americans.
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Thank you for acknowledging my point and adding to it in a constructive fashion that hopefully makes people understand the issue.

The rest of these dense fools arguing moral issues have completely missed the point about why this hack is important. The fact that it affected cheating spouses is only the tip of the iceberg.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Had to walk away for a bit as this is the first time someone's comments in a thread actually made me physically angry. So I did some other things, calmed down and figured I would discuss this rationally.

I made it 1 page last my last post before being at "I would rather just punch you in the mouth for being such a self righteous prick" frame of mind again. So with that, I'm done with this thread. I just hope some of you are just running your stupid mouth and never actually ruin someone's life.
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This thread really makes me think of those people that say "i really hope someone breaks into my house so i can shoot them". It is a dangerous mentality to desire harming another, but wanting to be justified with it shows they fear the legal system and penalties so much it keeps them at bay, but they hope for the legal opportunity to do this deed. And that worries me that so many think that way just like with this topic of wanting to see these families break apart. We as a species enjoy watching suffering way too much.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
I tried to stay out of this, but who the Fuck are you to shove your beliefs and morals on someone else? Be glad I'm in my phone because I could rant long and hard at how unbelievably judgemental, hypocritical and how much of a giant douchebag this makes you sound. I'm sorry but no, at no point is it EVER your right to ruin someone's career out anything else because you hold different values. I dislike cheaters as much as anyone but seriously, Fuck you man.
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I wouldn't be the one ruining anemones career. They would have ruined it through their own actions, and I would have no sympathy what so ever for them.

My only sympathy would be with their victim, and I would be compelled to let them know what is going on. Any decent human being would.

Anyone standing idly by, knowing that someone is cheating on their spouse and not saying anything, either because they feel it is not their place, or because they are being "loyal" to their friend is the one aiding and abetting their behavior.

It makes me absolutely furious that there are so many of you being apologists for these scum and what they do.

You guys make me sick.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041814297 said:
How is this related?

I don't have a holier than thou attitude, just tremendous sympathy for the victims of philanderers.
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RTFA

Not everyone that used Avid Life's websites did it for cheating. Some used them because in their country, being a gay is punishable by death and leaking their identities puts their lives at risk.
 
damicatz said:
RTFA

Not everyone that used Avid Life's websites did it for cheating. Some used them because in their country, being a gay is punishable by death and leaking their identities puts their lives at risk.
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I tend to not click links with risque titles if I don't know where they are pointing. Reddit can be pretty bad at times, but I have read it now.

If this is indeed the case, I hope the hackers use a little bit of discretion. I'm all for exposing those who cheat, and I'm no fan of hookup culture, but none of these people deserve to die.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
yeah I saw. Two suicides related to the release of the data. I can see a lot of marriage failures now...marriages that include children. And we know the stats on children of divorces.

Not so much fun and games is it?

As I said once already, these hackers are dead men. Someone rich and powerful, or someone with nothing to lose, will take them out.

DO NOT GET ME WRONG: I'm not defending the men's actions who seek out to have affairs. They will pay for their misdeeds one way or another. (If not in this life then the next) But the hackers aren't any better through the unnecessary misery they have caused to innocents.
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There were women on the site as well, just not as many :)
 
rezerekted said:
What utopia do you live in where there is no cheating? Who the fuck wants to have sex with the same person for 50+ years? Get real, dude. BTW, I am not married so can get away with stating the truth.
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At some point for your sake I hope you grow enough to realize that there is much more to life than just sex.

I am glad you are honest enough about it that you don't get married to someone and then crush them though.

If I were married to someone I loved, and they for whatever reason could not or did not want to have sex ever again, I would shrug, be disappointed but then never have sex again. It's not a big deal, and definitely not worth crushing someone over.

If I were in a failing relationship, I would end it, and THEN do whatever I pleased.

Whether you are married or just in a relationship, there is never an excuse for cheating, and the people who do it are despicable, selfish human beings, who apparently don't care about anyone or anything else but their own immediate gratification. That should be enough to taint their entirety as a person.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041814314 said:
I tend to not click links with risque titles if I don't know where they are pointing. Reddit can be pretty bad at times, but I have read it now.

If this is indeed the case, I hope the hackers use a little bit of discretion. I'm all for exposing those who cheat, and I'm no fan of hookup culture, but none of these people deserve to die.
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They didn't use discretion. Like you, the moral imperialists who leaked this information gave no thoughts to the consequences of their actions. They decided to appoint themselves as judge, jury, and executioner and to hand down and pass judgements on people they do not know without considering the consequences of their actions.

The leaker better hope that the Canadian authorities are the first to catch them. Here in the US, what they have done would support enough separate charges under the CFAA to get them life in prison.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041814302 said:
I wouldn't be the one ruining anemones career. They would have ruined it through their own actions, and I would have no sympathy what so ever for them.

My only sympathy would be with their victim, and I would be compelled to let them know what is going on. Any decent human being would.

Anyone standing idly by, knowing that someone is cheating on their spouse and not saying anything, either because they feel it is not their place, or because they are being "loyal" to their friend is the one aiding and abetting their behavior.

It makes me absolutely furious that there are so many of you being apologists for these scum and what they do.

You guys make me sick.
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http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-9.htm

"And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire."

:rolleyes:
 
Zarathustra[H];1041814330 said:
At some point for your sake I hope you grow enough to realize that there is much more to life than just sex.
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Even better, I am old enough to know that romantic love is fleeting (science states 2 years on average) and that monogamy is a false construct of man. I have no interest in being married either.
 
rezerekted said:
http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-9.htm

"And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire."

:rolleyes:
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More biblical shit. I'm not a bible thumper, so none of these references are of any importance to me.

For what its worth, my motivation would not be to harm the cheaters (even though I feel they would deserve whatever comes their way). My motivation would be one of compassion towards their spouses. They deserve to know. It would be unconscionable to not let them know if you knew they were being cheated on.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041814345 said:
More biblical shit. I'm not a bible thumper, so none of these references are of any importance to me.

For what its worth, my motivation would not be to harm the cheaters (even though I feel they would deserve whatever comes their way). My motivation would be one of compassion towards their spouses. They deserve to know. It would be unconscionable to not let them know if you knew they were being cheated on.
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What about couples who have an open marriage (e.g. there was one case where medical issues prevented the spouse from satisfying the other so they both made the decision to open the marriage)? What gives you the right to pass judgement on someone else?
 
rezerekted said:
Even better, I am old enough to know that romantic love is fleeting (science states 2 years on average) and that monogamy is a false construct of man. I have no interest in being married either.
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It goes in stages.


You are right, the early excited phases definitely don't last forever. 2 years sounds about right.

Gradually that honeymoon-like feeling gets replaced by a deeper emotional connection (or at least it should if you are really a good fit for eachother)

That's why - IMHO - its very silly for people to marry until they have known each other for a few years, and the honeymoon period is over, so they know what it is really like to be with that person, before making the commitment.
 
damicatz said:
What about couples who have an open marriage (e.g. there was one case where medical issues prevented the spouse from satisfying the other so they both made the decision to open the marriage)? What gives you the right to pass judgement on someone else?
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If the spouse already knows then it isn't really cheating, now is it :p

That totally weirds me out, but it is not my place to pass judgment.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041814360 said:
If the spouse already knows then it isn't really cheating, now is it :p

That totally weirds me out, but it is not my place to pass judgment.
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And yet you automatically assume that anyone on AshleyMadison is a cheater.

There is no way to tell whether an account is :

1.A real cheater
2.An open marriage
3.Someone checking to make sure their spouse isn't on that site
4.Someone who lives in a country where gay marriage is illegal and needed a discrete dating service
5.Someone who signed someone else up (there was no verification of e-mail addresses).
6.A journalist doing research

Do you not understand the problem with this kind of witch hunt?
 
Zarathustra[H];1041814314 said:
I tend to not click links with risque titles if I don't know where they are pointing. Reddit can be pretty bad at times, but I have read it now.

If this is indeed the case, I hope the hackers use a little bit of discretion. I'm all for exposing those who cheat, and I'm no fan of hookup culture, but none of these people deserve to die.
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In other words, you don't know what the fuck you're yammering about.

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Dekoth-E- said:
Had to walk away for a bit as this is the first time someone's comments in a thread actually made me physically angry. So I did some other things, calmed down and figured I would discuss this rationally.

I made it 1 page last my last post before being at "I would rather just punch you in the mouth for being such a self righteous prick" frame of mind again. So with that, I'm done with this thread. I just hope some of you are just running your stupid mouth and never actually ruin someone's life.
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It's an interesting if divisive topic. Seeing some of the people defend their "line in the sand" position kinda gives some insight to the mindset of real zealots out there. Throw in the same attitude with a healthy dose of religious fervor and BAM we have ISIS running around doing what they do. As far as they're concerned all their victims made their bed too. Now there's a few steps between general hate and a wild mob running a muck raping and murdering. With the right environment and enough time to fester, one has the potential to lead to the other....
 
This is so true. Up until now, I've never realized that looking at pornographic materials online was actually an advanced research project for a human sexuality study.

Wasn't there a case a few years back, where a member of a famous British rock band was caught with Petabytes of child porn on his PC...later admitted to police that he was just doing research on child molestation/exploitation?
damicatz said:
And yet you automatically assume that anyone on AshleyMadison is a cheater.

There is no way to tell whether an account is :

1.A real cheater
2.An open marriage
3.Someone checking to make sure their spouse isn't on that site
4.Someone who lives in a country where gay marriage is illegal and needed a discrete dating service
5.Someone who signed someone else up (there was no verification of e-mail addresses).
6.A journalist doing research

Do you not understand the problem with this kind of witch hunt?
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This thread has devolved into "I'm like Jesus Christ and I wouldn't cheat although Josh Duggar is an outlier" vs the rational minded people on the side of consenting adult.

Chalk me up on the side of CONSENTING adults. The fact this shaming is retarded and shouldn't have happened. These thieves deserves to have everything coming their way for exposing people like this.

The fact is even though society is riddled with concepts of marriages, monogamy, etc, history is rife with examples that shows society is not so monogamous. Societal pressure have forced people into accepting adultery is bad, that being arranged into marriages where your partner falls within a certain spectrum (for example she/he must be baptist, "married" to Jesus, reads the bible daily and stick to its literal interpretation, etc), willing to accept that the sexual gratification that they seek is not going to happen.

Sexual gratification is one of the things that all people of different ethnic groups and yes even religious groups, etc all varies on. The wife not giving you BJ's but the woman that you talk to at work talks about loving to give BJ's and she's single? What about those who are gay but are in societies where you are put to death but are in a marriage that hides that? All 1 billion Muslims & all 1 billion Christians FOR A FACT are not 100% heterosexual. But they're in a situation where they're forced to seek secret methods to try and seek that homosexual sexual gratification.

I can go on but the fact this AM crap is fucked and society needs a change in the way of thinking why do people "cheat". No, cheat is a dumb word these days. A majority of marriages fails for one reason or another because the WOMAN or MAN are cheating which the rate of incidence is pretty much the same. Yes, there are those religious people that thinks a woman never cheats because their interpretation of the world says so. It's dumb and deluded.

If you are in a marriage and you get all the gratification you want, then good for you. Stop pushing your morality on other people. Keep it to yourself. The baptist church or whatever you go to, keep it to yourself as well. Don't fall into this mob mentality. If the mob start calling for the stoning of such people, I will try to be the first to stop the mob to protect those victims. You know who killed the homosexuals in the 40's? YAAAAA, that's who I will equate the mob with.

As much as I don't like the idea of some LGBT people being militant in their views of pushing against other people, I've already become accepting of those who pursue a homosexual lifestyle. My SO's cousin is now in a gay marriage which it isn't my fucking problem who he shacks up with. I rather that he be happy than suffer a life of misery. The religious freaks rather that he be "cured" which has all kinds of connotations.
 
I think it's sad that the feds, people, media etc are making a bigger deal out of this hack than all the much more serious ones that have happened in the past years which involved people's finances such as all the credit card breeches, or the JP Morgan one which affected millions of families.

People who get their lives destroyed by this did it to themselves. It was inevitable that they'd get caught at some point, this just accelerated that process.
 
Kaitian said:
This thread has devolved into "I'm like Jesus Christ and I wouldn't cheat although Josh Duggar is an outlier" vs the rational minded people on the side of consenting adult.

Chalk me up on the side of CONSENTING adults. The fact this shaming is retarded and shouldn't have happened. These thieves deserves to have everything coming their way for exposing people like this.

The fact is even though society is riddled with concepts of marriages, monogamy, etc, history is rife with examples that shows society is not so monogamous. Societal pressure have forced people into accepting adultery is bad, that being arranged into marriages where your partner falls within a certain spectrum (for example she/he must be baptist, "married" to Jesus, reads the bible daily and stick to its literal interpretation, etc), willing to accept that the sexual gratification that they seek is not going to happen.

Sexual gratification is one of the things that all people of different ethnic groups and yes even religious groups, etc all varies on. The wife not giving you BJ's but the woman that you talk to at work talks about loving to give BJ's and she's single? What about those who are gay but are in societies where you are put to death but are in a marriage that hides that? All 1 billion Muslims & all 1 billion Christians FOR A FACT are not 100% heterosexual. But they're in a situation where they're forced to seek secret methods to try and seek that homosexual sexual gratification.

I can go on but the fact this AM crap is fucked and society needs a change in the way of thinking why do people "cheat". No, cheat is a dumb word these days. A majority of marriages fails for one reason or another because the WOMAN or MAN are cheating which the rate of incidence is pretty much the same. Yes, there are those religious people that thinks a woman never cheats because their interpretation of the world says so. It's dumb and deluded.

If you are in a marriage and you get all the gratification you want, then good for you. Stop pushing your morality on other people. Keep it to yourself. The baptist church or whatever you go to, keep it to yourself as well. Don't fall into this mob mentality. If the mob start calling for the stoning of such people, I will try to be the first to stop the mob to protect those victims. You know who killed the homosexuals in the 40's? YAAAAA, that's who I will equate the mob with.

As much as I don't like the idea of some LGBT people being militant in their views of pushing against other people, I've already become accepting of those who pursue a homosexual lifestyle. My SO's cousin is now in a gay marriage which it isn't my fucking problem who he shacks up with. I rather that he be happy than suffer a life of misery. The religious freaks rather that he be "cured" which has all kinds of connotations.
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The reason people cheat is because they do not respect their partner. That's what a logical reasonable person can conclude. They wish to screw more people while keeping their partner exclusive to themselves. People whom are honest and respect their partner will alert them to how they wish to live life if they do not with to remain monogamous and they will do it before they screw someone. This doesn't have anything to do with religion it has to do with respecting humans. What I find ironic in this thread is how there seems to be not one bit of care for the people being cheated on. And some people seem to think those people would have much better lives if their partner just keeps cheating on them and making it a one way street where one person does all the giving and the cheater does all the taking. Better yet if they have a family its great to see kids growing up in the middle of a lie right?

Your view is just as messed up and skewed as the people you wish to demonize. Consent takes two people good greif haven't we already gone over that? Consent is not what AM is about. It's about one person taking advantage of an unknowing partner. If the partner was informed they wouldn't need AM.
 
rudy said:
The reason people cheat is because they do not respect their partner. That's what a logical reasonable person can conclude. They wish to screw more people while keeping their partner exclusive to themselves. People whom are honest and respect their partner will alert them to how they wish to live life if they do not with to remain monogamous and they will do it before they screw someone. This doesn't have anything to do with religion it has to do with respecting humans. What I find ironic in this thread is how there seems to be not one bit of care for the people being cheated on. And some people seem to think those people would have much better lives if their partner just keeps cheating on them and making it a one way street where one person does all the giving and the cheater does all the taking. Better yet if they have a family its great to see kids growing up in the middle of a lie right?

Your view is just as messed up and skewed as the people you wish to demonize. Consent takes two people good greif haven't we already gone over that? Consent is not what AM is about. It's about one person taking advantage of an unknowing partner. If the partner was informed they wouldn't need AM.
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Well said.

It is all about respecting other people not any religious ideals.

I find it amusing hoe many people in this thread have tried to paint me - a confirmed atheist - as some sort of religious fanatic, because I disapprove of people cheating in their spouses.

Has our society really devolved that far, that standing for the non-douchebag side makes you a religious fanatic?
 
While I do not agree with hackers stealing and leaking personal information, this service is no better than the hackers. Holding personal info ransom, and yet still retain plenty of information even if someone paid to have their info released. They deserved everything they get, and I hope they go out of business.
 
Edit: meant to type paid for their personal info deleted*, not release *facepalm*
 
John McAfee: Ashley Madison "Was An Inside Job"

http://gizmodo.com/john-mcafee-ashl...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

How did I discover that it was an inside job? From the data that was released, it was clear that the perpetrator had intimate knowledge of the technology stack of the company (all the programs being used). For example, the data contains actual MySQL database dumps. This is not just someone copying a table and making into a .csv file. Hackers rarely have full knowledge of the technology stack of a target.
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I will say anyone who can access a network can easily find out what is running on that network with a few short commands, so I wouldn't say that Mister McAfee.
 
Chas said:
Wow. Way to utterly misconstrue something.

Theft, murder, sales of drugs, terrorism, etc. Those are all matters that impact everyone.

Some person looking to boink someone OTHER than their spouse/partner? NOBODY'S business but theirs (and their partner's).
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And someone should have the decency to tell the spouse.

And you are wrong about it not impacting others.
Just as drug use can destroy someone's life, so can having an affair that leads to divorce.
The spouse is the most impacted, as they are at risk of catching diseases, some that have no cure.
This also impacts the kids, the bad example and all the problems connected with broken families.
Divorce usually leads to much lower standard of living, and results in many people needing financial aid to get by. This affects everyone who pays taxes.

People take a vow when they get married, they make a promise to their spouse. If someone can't live up to that vow, then they shouldn't get married. As others have said in previous posts, I would never trust someone who would break such a vow. It's a critical character flaw.

Just keep on making excuses for the cheaters while society circles the drain.
 
Red Squirrel said:
I think it's sad that the feds, people, media etc are making a bigger deal out of this hack than all the much more serious ones that have happened in the past years which involved people's finances such as all the credit card breeches, or the JP Morgan one which affected millions of families.

People who get their lives destroyed by this did it to themselves. It was inevitable that they'd get caught at some point, this just accelerated that process.
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There are credit card numbers leaked in the info. There are email addresses also. The reason the feds are antsy about this one is there are so many fed emails listed. Given that, I do agree about them giving this security breech more attention than others is troubling.

Icpiper and I pointed this out already. All the idiots in this thread arguing morality are completely missing the big picture.

I will quote his post:
lcpiper said:
Even this underestimates the risks.

It would seem that many of the email addresses were .gov and .mil domains. Now these don't mean for certain that Government Officials and Service Members used these credentials. Military civilian contractors and even retirees get these kind of email addresses and I am sure there are others as far flunk as the government is. But with the numbers involved, there probably will be some that are. Some of them may even hold sensative positions and security clearances. They could be subjects of blackmail or other threats, they could be targeted successfully knowing that they have certain weaknesses.

This could cause great damage to completely innocent Americans.
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rudy said:
Your view is just as messed up and skewed as the people you wish to demonize. Consent takes two people good greif haven't we already gone over that? Consent is not what AM is about. It's about one person taking advantage of an unknowing partner. If the partner was informed they wouldn't need AM.
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No, it isn't. It's CONSENTING ADULTS. period. It doesn't matter if they're cheating on their spouse. I know you guys are thinking "oh wow, they're not consenting to the cheating relationship." I get that. The problem is that your standards just as our puritanical society's standards have been imposed on them. If I find out that one of my co-worker's was cheating on their spouse, it's still not my problem! The fact is that you are making it your problem which is the problem here. You understand that?
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
There are credit card numbers leaked in the info. There are email addresses also. The reason the feds are antsy about this one is there are so many fed emails listed. Given that, I do agree about them giving this security breech more attention than others is troubling.

Icpiper and I pointed this out already. All the idiots in this thread arguing morality are completely missing the big picture.

I will quote his post:
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We already have had another bigger problem than that if you don't remember. The stolen information of the entire federal government including those who were vetted for security clearances including those who were interviewed, their weaknesses, their strengths, etc. The Ashley Madison is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire information being stolen by the Chinese.
 
Kaitian said:
We already have had another bigger problem than that if you don't remember. The stolen information of the entire federal government including those who were vetted for security clearances including those who were interviewed, their weaknesses, their strengths, etc. The Ashley Madison is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire information being stolen by the Chinese.
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Oh I do remember, that's why I said "I do agree about them [feds, media, etc.] giving this security breech more attention than others is troubling" in the very post you quoted.

My point is why do people continually focus on the most pointless aspect of this hack? Arguing morality issues is nothing compared to the criminal act and the type of data stolen.
 
You can tell this discussion here is done by Americans, you have it all: hypocrisy, moralization, religions babble and trying to force that on others (usually by those who pay secretly for a hooker ), ,,and all failing to grasp the main problem; its not about cheaters, their partners, children or destroyed family homes as the the fabric of your great society but theft and publication of personal data
 
VonGriffin said:
You can tell this discussion here is done by Americans, you have it all: hypocrisy, moralization, religions babble and trying to force that on others (usually by those who pay secretly for a hooker ), ,,and all failing to grasp the main problem; its not about cheaters, their partners, children or destroyed family homes as the the fabric of your great society but theft and publication of personal data
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I agree that the issue is theft of personal data.

However, you pointing out these are American's arguing hypocrisy, moralization, religious babble, makes you just as much as a holier-than-thou hypocrite as them. If you think this shit doesn't happen in other countries, you are also equally as naive. The only reason you can point and say "this is how Americans behave differently from the rest of the world" is because this forum is owned, ran, and predominantly populated by Americans, thus giving you a larger sample size to compare to the other minority of nationalities here. So please take your "I'm not American therefore I am better" bullshit elsewhere.
 
makes you just as much as a holier-than-thou hypocrite as them
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Why exactly ? my stance isn't based on morals but basic legal terms , you know the ones a modern country should be governed by

and no i dare to say here in the old country religion and personal beliefs aint so much entangled with our judicial perception as it is in the US; we kinda had our share of nut jobs like those in the past
 
The big story everyone is somehow missing: the CEO didn't offer coin until his emails were hacked.
 
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