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Where is the problem with "Ethics" in regards to buying a brand? That's essentially what the GPP is. It's not "Exclusive Dealing" as the AIBs can still sell AMD; this was specifically stated right in the info that Kyle posted.
I'd be pretty miffed if my products carried brands, but then these brands get polluted with inferior products from my competitors.
Well they didn't. If nvidia was so great at this I might have bought their FE editions and I didn't (even while apparently these got better chips than the AIB were sampled). I buy Asus MSI or whatever brand for the added value they provide on top of the basic chip. These AIB's build their gaming brands based on the added value they created themselves.To be fair, Nvidia pretty much carried and popularized these gaming brands the last 6 years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nvidia contributed way more to these gaming brands ever since Kepler launched than anything AMD did. GPUs, mobile GPUs especially, GSync, VR tech. Nvidia releases and techs were always splashier than AMD's releases, and had more wow and marketability.
I'd be pretty miffed if my products carried brands, but then these brands get polluted with inferior products from my competitors.
Well they didn't. If nvidia was so great at this I might have bought their FE editions and I didn't (even while apparently these got better chips than the AIB were sampled). I buy Asus MSI or whatever brand for the added value they provide on top of the basic chip. These AIB's build their gaming brands based on the added value they created themselves.
Brands are worthless without products, and who were giving them the majority of their products? Nvidia and Intel, with AMD a distant 3rd.
Also, added value is subjective. To certain people, FE has great added value because it will be compatible with full cover water blocks, plus the design doesn't recirculate hot air inside the chassis, which is great especially in a SFF situation.
Oh and I wouldn't trust the "added value" from AIBs. I've seen many instances where factory overclocked cards are unstable at AIB-stock clocks. So it's not like they're very closely tested either.
Instead they went with RTG which is huh??? and not used and has not picked up. Yes, ATi would have been way more smarter for AMD to use I think as well. Automatically folks see's ATi = gaming!If AMD would just go back to damn ATi it would solve half their marketing issues without even saying a word.
Well, I don't know why it takes years to investigate things... Wouln' t reading the agreement be enough for the FTC etc to say this shit ain't flying.... Yeah I'm sure it doesn't work that way of course.According to WCCFTech, someone has gotten a response from the FTC about GPP.
https://wccftech.com/ftc-eu-commission-zero-in-on-nvidia-gpp-calls-for-investigation-complaints/
I'm confused by how Nvidia thinks they can get away with this?
To hear this is nothing but disappointment.
Good for you Kyle for reporting this.
https://wccftech.com/asus-arez-radeon-graphics-cards-production-started/
arez STRIX GAMING is probably not the complete "fuck you AMD ...hahahaha" that nVidia was hoping for from ASUS.
Now ASUS has an official cryptomining brand.
https://wccftech.com/asus-arez-radeon-graphics-cards-production-started/
arez STRIX GAMING is probably not the complete "fuck you AMD ...hahahaha" that nVidia was hoping for from ASUS.
Wouldn't this be a clear violation of the GPP as presented?
Tough to say... the wording as I understand it is "PRIMARY" gaming brand aligned with GPP, so ROG is currently the primary gaming brand.
But what would happen if Arez suddenly starts outselling ROG, and Arez becomes the primary gaming brand? Would the GPP agreement then force Asus to move AMD's products back to ROG and Nvidia's to Arez??
Tough to say... the wording as I understand it is "PRIMARY" gaming brand aligned with GPP, so ROG is currently the primary gaming brand.
But what would happen if Arez suddenly starts outselling ROG, and Arez becomes the primary gaming brand? Would the GPP agreement then force Asus to move AMD's products back to ROG and Nvidia's to Arez??
Kyle said at some point that it was all gaming brands restricted to AMD. Has anyone seen where AREZ is ever labeled as a gaming brand or are any of the cards under the AREZ brand ever called gaming cards?
The released product shot has 'STRIX Gaming' on all three visible sides. Are they violating the GPP and/or calling Nvidia's bluff?
The released product shot has 'STRIX Gaming' on all three visible sides. Are they violating the GPP and/or calling Nvidia's bluff?
There's nothing illegal with violating the GPP so why not? Good on AMD and ASUS for trying to find out where the line in the sand exists.
Sure- but it brings into question whether that specific line was ever really there.
If it wasn't Nvidia would have gotten all transparent about it. So yes it is very likely in there. Are they stupid enough to try and enforce it... we'll see.
Well, most of the 'outrage' has been that AMD GPUs would be stripped of 'gaming' branding. If that's not the case, then there's not much to be mad about here, except AMD having let their product line erode enough to make the GPP feasible in the first place.
Early morning chuckle thanksIf it wasn't Nvidia would have gotten all transparent about it.
After the backlash and summation of possible legal issues NV may have relaxed their attitude a little to try and swat this away.So yes it is very likely in there. Are they stupid enough to try and enforce it... we'll see.
Well, most of the 'outrage' has been that AMD GPUs would be stripped of 'gaming' branding. If that's not the case, then there's not much to be mad about here, except AMD having let their product line erode enough to make the GPP feasible in the first place.
You see, right there, you're blaming one of the victims, AMD, for the injury [that will be] caused to them by nVidia's GPP.
The lack of an AMD direct competitor to the 1080 ti does not mean that the rest of the AMD line up is not equal to or better than the nVidia equivalent. Nor does it negate the fact that AIBs have been quite happy to consider AMD products more than good enough to have a presence in THEIR premium brands. And none of that legally authorises nVidia to extort exclusivity of other companys' brands to the detriment of AMD.
People really, really need to stop blaming AMD for the actions of nVidia. What nVidia does is entirely the decision and responsibilty of nVidia.
Did Nvidia order ASUS to use ROG exclusively for their products? Is that in the contract, ROG -> Nvidia?
Or did ASUS get a choice, and decide to relegate second tier products to a new, 'second tier' brand?
Apparently, the Earth is still FLAT where you come from.
a rebuttal to what specifically? which one of your wild accusations?So you don't have a rebuttal, nothing to add but deflect to a personal attack?
Quaint.
a rebuttal to what specifically? which one of your wild accusations?
OH, so because I mentioned the "flat earth" it's a Personal Attack"? You really do live there.So you don't have a rebuttal, nothing to add but deflect to a personal attack?
Quaint.
OH, so because I mentioned the "flat earth" it's a Personal Attack"? You really do live there.
Sounded more like me trying to offend the entire population of the entire planet. u dig? lolYou don't understand that directing an insult at a person makes it a personal attack?
...lol?