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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMIIn September 2009, AMD announced the ATI Radeon HD 5000 series video cards which features support for HDMI 1.3 output (Deep Color, xvYCC wide gamut support, and high bit rate audio), support for 8-channel LPCM over HDMI, and an integrated HD audio controller with a Protected Audio Path that allows bitstream output over HDMI for AAC, Dolby AC-3, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS Master Audio formats.[140][141][142] The ATI Radeon HD 5870 released in September 2009 is the first video card that supports bitstream output over HDMI for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.[142]
That's funny, because when the 5870 came out all the Nvidia fans compared it to the GTX 295. Now Ati fans can't compare the 480 to the 5970? Kind of a double standard don't you think?
Anyone who thinks this version of Fermi is a success needs to take a step back and look at things objectively. Maybe a future revision will be but this first is a definate failure due to it being EXTREMELY LATE and having mimimal if any performance advantage over ATi's part. When was this thing supposed to be released again?......last year?
Anything's possible... Whether it's relevant to the topic at hand, or not, is another issue altogether. The GTX480 will never draw enough power to cause an issue with fire, or current overload. You have to pull a lot more than 200w from a 6 pin to cause a fire - considering that's 8a per non-negative wire... Even 18g conductors can deal with 8a in a short run.
The rest of your facts, while valid, don't change anything.
people compared the 4870x2 to the 5870 as well. what kind of double standard are you talking about. two powerful gpu's of the previous generation deliver similar performance to a single powerful gpu of the new generation. as gamers, isn't that everything we hope for? and of course comparing the 5970 to the gtx480 is ridiculously skewed, since the two gpu's on the 5970 are of the current generation and close to the performance of the gtx480 to begin with. i don't understand why users develop such enormous chips on their respective shoulders over video cards. i feel i can safely say i've spent more money on r800 based products than most of the readers on these forums, and i'm consistently amazed by all the half-truths being flung around.
Probably but you never know what could happen...^ i dunno man u'd prolly smoke the PSU long before you killed the wiring......
Why ? If rumored prices are correct it goes like this
5870 $400
480 $500
5970 $600
Power wise the 480 will use as much as the 5970.
If the 5970 gets u much more performance then why not compare ?
I mean where is the cut off and why is it valid. If the 480 is $100 more than the 5870 then should they not be compared ?
pfft and how about this english isn't my mother language ? of course you couldn't think about it cause your fanboyish arrogant mind doesn't allow youYour inability to use the correct "their" "they're" "there" correctly indicates, to me atleast, that your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt since these mistakes are made by adolescents typically in the 14-17 years of age range.
Sure it may be laziness, but that is also indicative of your attitude and arrogance when it comes to sharing your opinion.
Anyone who thinks this version of Fermi is a success needs to take a step back and look at things objectively. Maybe a future revision will be but this first is a definate failure due to it being EXTREMELY LATE and having mimimal if any performance advantage over ATi's part. When was this thing supposed to be released again?......last year?
its not that the gtx480 and 5970 shouldn't be compared at all, but we more or less already know the conclusion of that comparison, so it makes it all academic. there is nothing to be learned from that test. is the 5970 more powerful than the gtx480? yes. is the 5970 more expensiove than the gtx480? yes. and where in hell are you going to find a 5970 for $600? i paid a little more than that at launch. and the prices now are no where near launch prices. the comparison between the gtx 480 and the 5870 is much more intriguing. is the gtx480 more expensive than the 5870? yes. is the gtx480 more powerful than the 5870? it will be interesting to find out won't it? and if there is a performance difference, will it be worth the difference in price?
Anyone who thinks this version of Fermi is a failure needs to take a step back and look at things objectively, things like "Wait until trustworthy reviews of actual products."
Or hell, maybe it's all just BS and the cards will be amazing.
I said that it is possible to draw more power from a connector than the specified power and it would cause fire if the limit is crossed.
Do you know that power is proportional to the square of current?
Do you know that a chip will have a higher leakage at a higher clock speed?
Do you know that if you increase the voltage, the power is proportional to the square of the voltage?
The number of connector or conductor doesn't mean anything, the most important thing is the thickness or the cross section of the wire. You can also use only one connector or conductor as long as your cross section is enough for the high current.
its not that the gtx480 and 5970 shouldn't be compared at all, but we more or less already know the conclusion of that comparison, so it makes it all academic. there is nothing to be learned from that test. is the 5970 more powerful than the gtx480? yes. is the 5970 more expensiove than the gtx480? yes. and where in hell are you going to find a 5970 for $600? i paid a little more than that at launch. and the prices now are no where near launch prices. the comparison between the gtx 480 and the 5870 is much more intriguing. is the gtx480 more expensive than the 5870? yes. is the gtx480 more powerful than the 5870? it will be interesting to find out won't it? and if there is a performance difference, will it be worth the difference in price?
Reviews are supposed to show you the best cards for your money.
The 5970 will get closer to its msrp as supplys increase.
If your willing to spend $100 more for a gtx 480 over a 5870 then logic says that you will spend $100 more for the 5970 if performance is even greater.
I want to know the best bang for my buck. The 5970 may be that. Tho I think i'd buy two 5850 over any of the 300 watt cards as the two 5850s will draw the same power but spread the heat and cooling over two cards and heatsink / fans
So pull 75.1W from a 6-pin connector and your system goes up in flames? Methinks not. Again, sensationalize much?
Do you know that twinkle twinkle, little star, power equals I squared R?
Do you know that tomorrow is Monday?
What is this, some kind of Chewbacca Defense tactic?
Anyone who thinks this version of Fermi is a failure needs to take a step back and look at things objectively, things like "Wait until trustworthy reviews of actual products."
how is this version of fermi a success again?
7+ months late? check
no appreciable performance gain over ATi offerings? check
definately going to be limited availability (to quote nvidia mass availablity starting on the 6th of next month) check.
massive power draw compared to competition? check
again where is the success in this part?
ATI fanboi? check
Seriously, do you guys all meet up somewhere and agree to exaggerate Fermi's lateness by a couple months? It's 6 months behind ATI, not 7+. And it's not necessarily "late" because you don't know when it was originally scheduled to be released.
ATI fanboi? check
Seriously, do you guys all meet up somewhere and agree to exaggerate Fermi's lateness by a couple months? It's 6 months behind ATI, not 7+. And it's not necessarily "late" because you don't know when it was originally scheduled to be released.
ATI fanboi? check
Seriously, do you guys all meet up somewhere and agree to exaggerate Fermi's lateness by a couple months? It's 6 months behind ATI, not 7+. And it's not necessarily "late" because you don't know when it was originally scheduled to be released.
ATI fanboi? check
Seriously, do you guys all meet up somewhere and agree to exaggerate Fermi's lateness by a couple months? It's 6 months behind ATI, not 7+. And it's not necessarily "late" because you don't know when it was originally scheduled to be released.
God if that hasn't been said like 50 times in the last decade about each company. It is borderline cliche
Despite your position on each company or card. Only an idiot would actually find it amusing for the competition to sink. Talk about asking to be screwed sideways with prices.
Competition breeds improvement, innovation, and better prices.
75.1W is the limit?
According to PCI-E specifications, the limits are 75W from the slot, 75W from each 6-pin connector, and 150W from each 8-pin connector. So a total of 300W for a video card with a 6-pin and an 8-pin connector.
My argument is that the PCI-E specification is relatively arbitrary. Power supplies and their cables and connectors are capable of sending well over 300W to a card safely.
That is not the limit, that is the specification of the connector.
how is this version of fermi a success again?
7+ months late? check
no appreciable performance gain over ATi offerings? check
definately going to be limited availability (to quote nvidia mass availablity starting on the 6th of next month) check.
massive power draw compared to competition? check
again where is the success in this part?
if it is not the limit, then why did ati keep the 5970 under 300W?
AMDs design goal with the Radeon HD 5970 was make it perform within a 300 Watt power envelope. In order to do so, these are the clock speeds it must be at stock. Fear not however, AMD thought of us enthusiasts too.
Dual-GPU Enthusiast Video Card?
Yes, though AMD designed this video card to operate in a 300W power envelope stock, they gave it room to expand to a 400W envelope by manual tweaking! This is where it gets fun
Anyone who thinks this version of Fermi is a success needs to take a step back and look at things objectively. Maybe a future revision will be but this first is a definate failure due to it being EXTREMELY LATE and having mimimal if any performance advantage over ATi's part. When was this thing supposed to be released again?......last year?
I stated the obvious facts as to why it is a failure, unfortunately you can't understand that and are confused.