YouTubers Are Up In Arms About YouTube Red

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As predicted, YouTubers are already crapping their pants over YouTube Red.

The past 24 hours have been a tortured 24 hours for YouTube professionals and their fans. The famously free video site announced a new paid service called YouTube Red, and nobody’s really sure what it means. But some YouTubers are already making end-time predictions.
 

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Well if this is true, and not just wild crazy speculation
That means if creators don’t sign a YouTube Red contract, their videos will be marked “private,” meaning nobody can see them.
then yeah bye bye youtube.
 

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I do watch some things on YouTube, but nothing I would be willing to pay a monthly fee for. I feel like willingly sitting through the ads is enough.

My daughter likes watching a lot of the gamers, but until she starts earning her own money, she won't be getting a sub either.
 

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Eventually PewPewDie's viewers will enter high school and not be interested in watching him any more. How's he supposed to get new viewers if his videos are behind a paywall?

In all seriousness, these people's livelihoods are based on the flimsiest of skills. It should be no surprise that a minor change in the marketplace puts them out of work. They either adapt and survive or don't and get a real job.
 

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Eventually PewPewDie's viewers will enter high school and not be interested in watching him any more. How's he supposed to get new viewers if his videos are behind a paywall?
They won't be. He's supposedly creating some 'content' specifically for Red.
 

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As much as I hate ads, I've put up with them. If they can get ME to watch through them before and during a video, it's already working. Having said that......they aren't getting a dime from me, so if all the content goes to red....I say goodbye to you tube completely. There are other sites to surf.
 

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what is a YouTube Red contract?
First its a flat sub.
Then its mini subs for each area of interest
then the prices get hiked.
then you're paying $40/mo for 6 different groups of channels ranging from nobody's to ESPN and somehow you remember what the old days were like.

This is the start of Cable 2.0
 
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According to this Fortune article, the terms of the new contract dictate that content providers "are only paid 55% of revenue, compared to Spotify's 70% and Apple Music's 71.5%." Currently, a Wikipedia article states that "Google currently shares 68% of revenue generated by AdSense with content network partners, and 51% of revenue generated by AdSense with AdSense for Search partners," and Google's AdSense Help page states that "For displaying ads with AdSense for content, publishers receive 68% of the revenue recognized by Google in connection with the service. For AdSense for search, publishers receive 51% of the revenue recognized by Google." It appears to me that those original content providers are upset because the terms of the new contract, one which they were forced to accept, give them a lower percentage of revenue.
 

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Eventually PewPewDie's viewers will enter high school and not be interested in watching him any more. How's he supposed to get new viewers if his videos are behind a paywall?

In all seriousness, these people's livelihoods are based on the flimsiest of skills. It should be no surprise that a minor change in the marketplace puts them out of work. They either adapt and survive or don't and get a real job.
You evidently have zero idea how much work goes into producing quality content regularly. It isn't a flimsy skill set by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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You evidently have zero idea how much work goes into producing quality content regularly. It isn't a flimsy skill set by any stretch of the imagination.
I agree. PewDiePie may not be for everyone, but he has proven himself as a successful and profitable entertainer. I hope he has the sense to invest some of the millions of dollars he's made into a retirement fund just in case the apple cart gets overturned; somehow I think he's a lot smarter than his detractors assume.
 

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As I mentioned previously, youtube is fun. But nothing is worth paying for on there. Watching someone shoot a TV to death is cool but I'm not paying for it. The appeal of youtube is you can watch quick, short videos when you have down time. When it comes to tutorials half the time video guides suck and an article with screen shots and high lights are quicker and you don't have to deal with skipping around a video. So again, no loss from a utility standpoint.

As long as I can watch the videos I've always watched I'll be fine with it. If not it will be too bad but I will live without it. At $40-80 a year I can get some games or real movies/TV shows.
 

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Netflix and hulu even amazon when you break down the monthly cost is about that 10 bucks a month. It seems shady for youtube, lets charge for content we don't even make, the content is so hit and miss its quite far off of tv replacement. If they were offering the service for a lot less maybe a buck or two might be a bit more reasonable but 10 that puts youtube red in competition with the above mentioned services. Seems like a few people above are thinking along the same lines.
 

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I agree. PewDiePie may not be for everyone, but he has proven himself as a successful and profitable entertainer. I hope he has the sense to invest some of the millions of dollars he's made into a retirement fund just in case the apple cart gets overturned; somehow I think he's a lot smarter than his detractors assume.
Well Youtube is everything. There are people just talking into webcams, and there are also people making movie-grade short films who wouldn't be able to get a venue elsewhere. Assuming Youtube is synonymous with PewDiePie is like assuming the theater is the same as Adam Sandler films.
 

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I agree. PewDiePie may not be for everyone, but he has proven himself as a successful and profitable entertainer. I hope he has the sense to invest some of the millions of dollars he's made into a retirement fund just in case the apple cart gets overturned; somehow I think he's a lot smarter than his detractors assume.
No, he's proven that there are a lot of socially retarded 10-13 year old boys that feel isolated and are willing to have a fake but easily accessible and safe friend/brother online to "interact" with. Its actually really sad, but he's clever for cashing in on this growing demographic, and by being one of the first the fact that he is big is why he is big so its self-sustaining. The herd mentality of the kids ensures that while they are having lunch together not making eye contact and each playing on their phones, some will mumble that pewdie has a new video and they all will watch to fit in.

The fact that he isn't cool, attractive, talented, or in any way "superior" is part of the appeal too, as he doesn't come across as a judgmental type, and instead is just reliable and accessible as a "bro" for kids that are probably insecure and made fun of for being dorks.

Just as Justin Bieber was created to target the 10-13 year old girl segment, basically pewdie targets the boys and was probably inspired by the guy from Blues Clues. And BTW, most youtube "stars" aren't playing themselves and created a character to portray. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case for Pewdie and the real actor at some point slips up and gets recorded calling out all his little fan kids out as lame autists and creates a unholy shitstorm.
 

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I don't see the big deal. there are ads in front of the video's I watch. it doesn't end the world. Sign a RED contract or whatever. I don't care. As long as I can still skip most of the adds after 10 seconds or whatever, or even not I could care less. Multiple windows are a blessing.
 

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Google - All your everything are belong to us. And people were worried about Microsoft. Ha!

The "Do No Harm" company is the biggest threat to a free internet that ever existed.
 

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I love when anonymous nobodies on the internet crap all over people who have made themselves extremely successful through their own work.

If it were so easy and required no particular talent or skill, then why are you still some anonymous nobody complaining about it on HardForum? Why aren't you a Youtube millionaire?

People who have never created or accomplished anything in their lives really have no idea what kind of work and talent it takes to succeed like that.
 

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I always laugh at these "professional" youtubers whining, somehow they actually expect any job security literally working for a nameless faceless youtube ad machine. If their content was actually anything of value they would setup their own website and sell it.
 

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I think some of the comments in this thread are far more pathetic than anything I've seen from content creaters unhappy about YouTube Red, lol.
 

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Why didn't they call it Youtube Gold? At least that name wouldn't conflict with RedTube.
$10/month, no way. If it was $1-$2 per month certainly.
 

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This is the start of Cable 2.0
Also forgot to quote this. Part of the appeal of youtube is that everything is free, and you don't have to join X service to get something. In cable most people have to pay a lot of money and get hundreds of channels bundled for the 1-5 channels they actually want. I thought this model was dying.
 

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Oh Cool! The youtube porn section.

Now, regular people are going to load their home made porn and get paid for people watching their home videos.

I don't know why the regular youtubers are up in arms about this. SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX, SEX...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't wait for the comments section...
 

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I always laugh at these "professional" youtubers whining, somehow they actually expect any job security literally working for a nameless faceless youtube ad machine. If their content was actually anything of value they would setup their own website and sell it.
I know a few release to other sites first for people who do pay in one way or another. Others have gone to things like patreon to get money to do their work.
 

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Youtube contents are simply not comparable to those found on Hulu or Netflix. Expecting people to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads or access premium content is misguided.

Some content creators like Linus Tech Tips already depends on their own sponsors and they promote their sponsors in the video itself. These people rely on getting as many viewers as they can, rather than making premium contents behind a paywall.
 

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Youtube contents are simply not comparable to those found on Hulu or Netflix. Expecting people to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads or access premium content is misguided.

Some content creators like Linus Tech Tips already depends on their own sponsors and they promote their sponsors in the video itself. These people rely on getting as many viewers as they can, rather than making premium contents behind a paywall.
Yea they are a good example of what can be done with the videos as of late of the new office they moved into.

I'm guessing over time you will see even more in video advertising from a lot of the bigger players.
 

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I can't see how $10 a month is worth it for the average consumer of YouTube media. I've been blocking ads with FireFox plugins (PC) and with xposed framework (phone) for years now. The only thing that would make it worth it was if this gave you access to premium content... which likely will not compete with Netflix and others. Forcing content creators into the new contract is the only way for Google to make this work... by holding videos people are used to watching hostage, just to squeeze $10 a month out of millions of viewers.
 

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I know a few release to other sites first for people who do pay in one way or another. Others have gone to things like patreon to get money to do their work.
I see this as a more reliable way to earn a living if you're doing this sort of thing vs relying on a youtube overlord that can cut you off at anytime or pay you whatever they want. If you can't adapt to this sort of model maybe your content wasn't really worth anything in the first place, mostly likely just clickbait trash.
 

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If you guys don't want to use the service then don't. I honestly don't see why everyone is bitching. Nobody is forcing you to pay.

So they are making people sign agree to new terms otherwise they mark all videos they uploaded as private. Given that 99% have already done so, that isn't that big of a deal. As for the 1%. Well I know I have a channel that I haven't logged into for a few months. So if I need to agree to some new terms I know that I haven't done so yet.

My guess is that the red contract, probably just states that you understand that you now have the option set your videos to be accessible by red members or red and public, and that you now will also be getting money from people who pay to not see ads based on how long they watch your video instead of getting money based on the ads clicked. So you agree to the new terms, all your videos show up as red and public and you get money in a different manor.

As for the subscription side. I don't really care. I already pay to see sponsor only content for a site. Any of their non sponsor videos go up on youtube. So with this in theory they could allow their sponsor only content to be up on youtube also for red members. Or instead of waiting the 24 hour between their site for sponsors and the public, allow red members early access also. Either way, I see this being nice for people who want to make special sponsor (subscription) only content without having to worry about having their own system in place. For those that want to pay to not have ads, they can do that now. For everyone else. if they don't to pay or don't want to require red membership for watching their videos, then nothing should change.
 

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I always laugh at these "professional" youtubers whining, somehow they actually expect any job security literally working for a nameless faceless youtube ad machine. If their content was actually anything of value they would setup their own website and sell it.
But why start your own site and rely on that alone? You are aware you will get more views through youtube than you will your own site correct? People can find random videos through youtube and find your content. Not going to happen on your own site. That is why many people have their own site AND youtube as they get more hits from youtube and end up bringing people to their site over time from youtube. I know people that have watched Rooster Teeth or Achievement Hunters for years before they finally went to the Rooster Teeth site and signed up.
 

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Given how well twitch channel subscriptions worked out, youtube red will be just fine and it's one payment per month and not 4.99 to 10 different people.
 

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I love when anonymous nobodies on the internet crap all over people who have made themselves extremely successful through their own work.

If it were so easy and required no particular talent or skill, then why are you still some anonymous nobody complaining about it on HardForum? Why aren't you a Youtube millionaire?

People who have never created or accomplished anything in their lives really have no idea what kind of work and talent it takes to succeed like that.
preach it.

This forum is infested with pathetic haters.
 

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Given how well twitch channel subscriptions worked out, youtube red will be just fine and it's one payment per month and not 4.99 to 10 different people.
I think it's different. On twitch, it offers several perks, from custom emoticons to the fact that it makes subscribers feel special. There's a social aspect to it, and these people are willing to pay to stand out. Besides, AFAIK channel subscription no longer disable ads on twitch anyway, and so the fact that people still sub indicates that they didn't sub just to block ads.
 

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Youtube contents are simply not comparable to those found on Hulu or Netflix. Expecting people to pay a monthly subscription fee to remove ads or access premium content is misguided.

Some content creators like Linus Tech Tips already depends on their own sponsors and they promote their sponsors in the video itself. These people rely on getting as many viewers as they can, rather than making premium contents behind a paywall.
They don't really like when people embed their own ads into their content, they just overlook it when the creator has a lot of viewers.

I think the biggest issue people have with this is that most people have no idea who is considered a content creator on YouTube so they think every single video is going behind the paywall. These are people who have at least gotten director status due to views and 99% of them have signed anyways. You probably won't see much of a change at all as a free user, except some of the people you watch may provide more content under red.
 

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I love when anonymous nobodies on the internet crap all over people who have made themselves extremely successful through their own work.

If it were so easy and required no particular talent or skill, then why are you still some anonymous nobody complaining about it on HardForum? Why aren't you a Youtube millionaire?

People who have never created or accomplished anything in their lives really have no idea what kind of work and talent it takes to succeed like that.
They create content, that many people enjoy watching for free. But let's see what happens when they're herded behind behind a paywall. Will they be so successful and talented then?

Number of views never corresponded to quality/talent. Some of the best youtubers I know are struggling to get over 30-40K views per video.

Let's face it, these are people with some talent, yes. But their value was greatly inflated by youtube's ad revenue system. Alone by themselves, most wouldn't have been able to make a living out of their videos, let alone make millions.

So all of them should be ready for the end of the good times. The only youtubers that will be able to survive in the wild are the ones that can sell their art outside of youtube as well.

I know it might not fit in your head, but some people don't seek fame, they're perfectly happy as anonymous nobodies.
 
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