YouTube and Reddit Banning Firearms Related Content

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The more censorious are current social media providers become of idea they do not like the more likely a competitor is going to jump into the fray. And I for one believe an alternative platform is not only viable at this point, but imminent.

Anyways, thanks cageymaru for the news and Kyle for posting.
 
Do as they please, they then should get no help whatsoever from anything that touches tax dollars. Do as they please, but then they should make it a private service that requires login.
 
That sucks. I guess all those .50 cal videos Kyle has linked to in the past will be deleted.

There is a ton of "Firearms related content" on youtube. I really liked the videos on classic firearms, firing WW1 and WW2 weapons.

Crazy that they will be taking all that content off line.
 
There's an attack on free speech in this country. People are being forbidden from discussing certain topics when other people or groups don't like what's being talked about.


You don't seem to understand the first amendment very well.

You are very much free to discuss these things, and according to the first amendment the government cannot prevent you from doing so.

There is - however - nothing in the first amendment that guarantees you the ability to do so using a private entity's service.

Private entities are free to moderate what they do and don't want on their sites. If that weren't the case, Kyle could never delete any spam or asshat posts here on the hardforums.

Say whatever you please, but do so on your own site.
 
Yes, paying attention to the world around me instead of consuming what facebook feeds me makes me a troll, I admit it.

Facebook? WTF are you even talking about? This post was about YouTube and Reddit. Or are they all part of the same conspiracy? :rolleyes:

...and for the record, it's the ranting about "left of Marx" is what makes you a troll, not "paying attention to the world around you." But you knew that...
 
This helps me, try it.

Imagine if the postal service couldn't make rules for the packages it carries.

Well yourtube like mail is not a right. Its a service and they can decide what they want to distribute. Sorry.

You can go stand on a street and say anything you want... No one will stop you. Unless its treason......
 
If your ISP decided to prevent you from posting or reading about certain, legal topics online, is that still not a 1st Amendment issue?

In a "technically correct" argument...it is not. However, things get really gray once certain government funds or rules go in place. If they were subsidized by the government, then it would could be argued they are. If they get classified as a "common carrier" then it would be no doubt on first amendment.

Most of the issue with this shit is that it is nothing more than putting the lid on a trash can...you still never took care of the trash. Therefore people will try and find information is less than open ways and thus it can leaded to bad information, manipulation, radicalization, etc.
 
Remember, these are the fuckers bribing the people that WILL make it constitutional issues.
 
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Facebook? WTF are you even talking about? This post was about YouTube and Reddit. Or are they all part of the same conspiracy?

...and for the record, it's the ranting about "left of Marx" is what makes you a troll, not "paying attention to the world around you." :rolleyes:

Oh look, the guy calling people trolls on an internet forum can't identify hyperbole. How surprising.

My point was this isn't new if you've been paying attention, even some of the video game and hardware channels I watch are getting hit just for using certain keywords that their AI picks up.
 
Only Portal, Portal2 and My Little Pony - Friendship is Magic screenshots and videos allowed. Now we know why Twitch exists.
 
If it was CYA they wouldn't have videos of 14 year old girls showing how to shave their vagina with millions of views that could be construed as child porn. They've been systematically demonetizing, banning, and removing any content that isn't left of Marx for months now and guns are just the next step.

While it would be atrocious for youtube to allow those kinds of videos on the platform of a minor, isn't there something in the law allowing for naturalists to take photos/videos of their family so long as they are not sexually explicit or suggestive? Wouldn't that fall under the same category?

And to the 2nd part yes, just take a look at what is happening on Facebook now.
 
Oh look, the guy calling people trolls on an internet forum can't identify hyperbole. How surprising.

My point was this isn't new if you've been paying attention, even some of the video game and hardware channels I watch are getting hit just for using certain keywords that their AI picks up.

Then maybe say that, instead of posting a deliberately incendiary political rant? Crazy, I know, but if you don't want to be called a troll, don't troll.
 
Then maybe say that, instead of posting a deliberately incendiary political rant? Crazy, I know, but if you don't want to be called a troll, don't troll.

Stop trying to dictate what I do, do you work for Youtube? Why does anyone with a different view than yours have to be a troll automatically? This is the exact issue we're dealing with.
 
I wonder how much data center storage they just freed up? Google's hard drive buying team can go on a week or two vacation.
 
I do. The issue is that as more and more entities decide what can or cannot be discussed, we run out of places to talk about certain things. This is suppression and, even if the government isn't enacting a law forbidding the speech itself, they're still enabling it. Pushing a topic underground doesn't solve anything.
Then make yourself your own community and stop relying on big companies to host it for you. Face it, the larger you are the more scrutiny you're going to be under and the more lawyers will be coming after you.

If your ISP decided to prevent you from posting or reading about certain, legal topics online, is that still not a 1st Amendment issue?
That's why God made VPNs.
 
Stop trying to dictate what I do, do you work for Youtube? Why does anyone with a different view than yours have to be a troll automatically? This is the exact issue we're dealing with.

As previously explained, it has nothing to do with agreeing with me and everything to do with what you posted and the manner in which you posted it.

You trolled, and got called out for it. Grow a pair and own it. Or don't. It's up to you.
 
That sucks. I guess all those .50 cal videos Kyle has linked to in the past will be deleted.

There is a ton of "Firearms related content" on youtube. I really liked the videos on classic firearms, firing WW1 and WW2 weapons.

Crazy that they will be taking all that content off line.

Haven't read the article, but what kyle posted said was (paraphrased) videos that linked to fire arm sales or were about gun assembly. Hopefully Demolition Ranch is not affected by this.
 
I heard they finally banned the stealing and shoplifting subreddits. They've been defending that for years. You'd think it would make it easier for law enforcement to track the worst users, however, discussing tools, techniques, how, and where always seemed to do more societal harm than good.
 
The problem is that when these "entities" are some of the largest corporations on planet earth that control a very large portion of what people see online ... I think we're starting to blur the line here of what constitutes our freedoms. With much smaller companies I can agree with you ... but we're not talking about a small company here. This company also has their OS running on hundreds of millions of devices throughout the world. They are very much embedded in everything we do. "Google it" is a common phrase now for simply searching for something online. They're taking over what we see and hear ... much like Facebook ... and these mega companies are picking and choosing what we can do online. This is very much beginning to infringe upon our rights as these gigantic companies continue to grow. I'm sure you can at least see the problem here. It's getting worse, not better. Whether it constitutes what the centuries old amendment states really isn't the point here. It's an issue that isn't going to go away. Private entity or not, these companies have far too much power and they are abusing it.

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I can see where you coming from, honestly, but I think the answer should and will be new competitors that will champion the 1st amendment.
 
I used to watch one guys channel, DemolitionRanch, and it had some level of entertainment, but as time went on it slowly (too slowly) dawned on me that his channels seem to be based on the premise of being an advertising mechanism and then it really tipped the scales when he started the heavy push for his merchandise, at that point I just gave up on him (and his Offtheranch channel which was REALLY pushing hard for selling stuff).

That said, I don't think his channel will be affected at all, although knowing him there will be some not so subtle anti-California speak, but whatever.
 
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I can see where you coming from, honestly, but I think the answer should and will be new competitors that will champion the 1st amendment.

That's kind of hard when these platforms collude to prevent competition. Like when Google removed Gab's app from their Android app store.
 
The problem is that when these "entities" are some of the largest corporations on planet earth that control a very large portion of what people see online .
Still occurs very much so with the news industry, even worse in those industries because you don't even have a voice there, and they can very easily push agendas by letting you see specific things. Which IMO, is way worse.
 
Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any of these supposed champions of free speech. At least not on the grand scale of these mega companies that are so eager to snuff it out.

Nothing yet, you are right, but I can't help but feel (i know i know I am making a feelings based argument, whatever) that those who are actively being silenced and told their ideas are at best problematic and at worst evil are going to retaliate. And retaliate in productive manner (hopefully).
 
Personally, I'm all for erring on the side of people being able to freely express themselves, so I think this is a negative development.

That said, I've noticed a very strong tendency for some people to be all in for private companies doing their thing UNTIL it is perceived to be suppressing their preferred point-of-view, then suddenly those same people are up in arms about "censorship." We can't have it both ways, folks: Either the (ever more private) media is obligated to be unbiased, or it isn't.
 
Our freedom to express ourselves in the US is getting chipped away every day ...

The ability of people to express themselves in the US and other relatively free nations has never been more open and possible than it is today with the advance of technology. However, speech has consequences, it always has, and more speech leads to more consequences.
 
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The problem social platforms in general have is their standards and policies governing content are often vague and violations are often selectively and subjectively enforced with little to no evidence of wrong doing other than someone reporting the content as a violation usually because they don't agree with it.
It is also a problem when you accept advertising money from people and then ban their content or change your applications to treat the content unfavorably in results.
 
This seems related to the case currently awaiting a decision from US Supreme Court on if a baker has to make a gay themed wedding cake. Is the suppression by Youtube and Reddit of discussion about legal activities an illegal violation of civil rights even though they are private companies?
 
The problem social platforms in general have is their standards and policies governing content are often vague and violations are often selectively and subjectively enforced with little to no evidence of wrong doing other than someone reporting the content as a violation usually because they don't agree with it.
I agree that is a problem, but it's unclear to me how that problem might be addressed in the case of private companies, who, for better or worse, have no duty to be fair.
It is also a problem when you accept advertising money from people and then ban their content or change your applications to treat the content unfavorably in results.

Perhaps that could be addressed as a breach of contract?
 
This seems related to the case currently awaiting a decision from US Supreme Court on if a baker has to make a gay themed wedding cake. Is the suppression by Youtube and Reddit of discussion about legal activities an illegal violation of civil rights even though they are private companies?

Hell, I'm a liberal, and even I believe that the court should rule in favor of the baker on that one. :eek:
 
If private companies like Reddit and Youtube are this concerned about these informative videos that help people to know how to use firearms in a correct way, then maybe they should be also concerned about clips that depicts use of firearms in video games? Don't I see some kind of hyprocrsy in their thinking?
 
This seems related to the case currently awaiting a decision from US Supreme Court on if a baker has to make a gay themed wedding cake. Is the suppression by Youtube and Reddit of discussion about legal activities an illegal violation of civil rights even though they are private companies?

It isn't really. Since these social media platforms consider themselves a neutral forum for anyone, and anyone can join, they should be ruled to be a public forum which means the 1st amendment should apply. The fact that even government officials and government agencies have official accounts on these platforms should cement that. Being banned on the platform disrupts freedom of speech and even restricts a person's right to interact with their elected officials.
 
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